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T O P I C R E V I E WCarbonUnitIs a stellium 3 or more planets in a house or 3 or more planets in a sign? What does a stellium tell you? amowlsBoth. There can be house stelliums or sign stelliums.Kick ItStelliums can be planets grouped in a sign/house/by aspect.I just see them as conjunctions. Why stelliums are noted as being strong is likely down to them being the best aspect. The strongest aspect.You can see it as planets working in harmony with each other....3 or more is better than 2. Or you can see the planets as similar, but representing the houses they rule.You have 4 or more together, thats 4 houses which are connected...at least.Start with the 1st planet and count 15 degrees either side. Whatever is in that area, is conjunct.I have Sun, Saturn and Jupiter within 9 degrees of each other.Sun rules Leo, Saturn rules Capricorn, and Jupiter rules Sagittarius.Leo is on my 7th cusp, Capricorn is on my 12th cusp, and Sagittarius is on my 11th cusp.Houses 7/11/12 Should all be working pretty good with each other.Hope that wasnt too long. If so, I wont be apologising. Lara quote:Start with the 1st planet and count 15 degrees either side. Whatever is in that area, is conjunct.So kick it, are you saying that my sun at 5' taurus is part of my 18-21' aries stellium? hmmmKick ItYour Sun in Taurus at 5 degrees is conjunct anything upto 20 degrees Taurus. Anything past 20 degrees is not a conjunction to your Sun.You want to list them planets?Geocosmic ValentineA stellium is a CONJUNCTION of 3 or more planets. If you're reading a chart a conjunction should be no more than 6 degrees wide. If you're really feeling it, go 7 degrees. Some astrologers will say up to 10 degrees if the Sun or Moon are involved but when you're doing consultations and you're going for strong event recognition, the tighter the orb the more accurate you'll be. So, if I was reading your chart, that would not be considered a stellium. I would say that you have a strong Taurus influence, but wouldn't make any projections or descriptions of you based on a conjunction wider than 6 or 7 degrees. That's very tall grass to make descriptions from.katatonicno, kick it, 15 degrees is already another aspect. i forget what the proper name is but it is both half a semisextile (sesquisextile?) and a third of a semi-square...IF however there were a planet (or planets, even stronger) halfway between the two they would be in a quasi - conjunct state by virtue of their relationship to the planet at the midpoint.LaraThats what i thought Geo, thanks Kick it - saturn/nn/moon 18' aries, venus 21' aries, sun 5' taurus, mercury 7' taurus. all in 3rd hGlaucus15 degrees is a quindecile. 24th harmonic aspect. Noel Tyl calls the 165 degree aspect which is also 24th harmonic a quindecile.Robert Blaschke disagrees,and he calls the 165 degree aspect a contraquindecile and calls the 15 degree aspect quindecileif 2 planets are semisextile,and a 3rd planet is quindecile, then you have 24th harmonic triangle with the 3rd planet conjunct the midpoint of planets 1 and 2.If 2 planets are semisextile,and a 3rd planet is contraquindecile, then you have 24th harmonic isosceles triangle with the 3rd planet oppose the midpoint of planets 1 and 2. It looks like a skinny yod.15 degrees,24th harmonics aspects are following15 degrees - quindedicle30 degrees - semisextile45 degrees - semisquare60 degrees - sextile75 degrees - squile90 degrees - square105 degrees - squine120 degrees - trine135 degrees - sesquiquadrate150 degrees - quincunx165 degrees - contraquindecile180 degrees - oppositiononce aspects get past 180 degrees,they are all waning aspectsI have Moon squine Mercury with 10 minutes of arc, and transiting Pluto is aspecting it, sextiling my Moon and semisquaring my Mercury at the same timeI wouldn't use wide orbs with aspects because they go into other harmonicsJohannes Kepler opened up a can of worms when he devised minor aspects based on harmonics. He was one of those astrologers didn't care about zodiac signs and houses, and therefore he didn't care about how the waxing/waning ptolemaic aspects and inconjuncts corresponded with the 12 zodiac signs and 12 houses. RaymondGeocosmic ValentineThanks, Raymond. Especially for giving me the real name for the 165 degree aspect. I've always known that Noel Tyl made a conscious decision to call the Contraquindecile by the name Quindecile to simplify the idea and the rest of the world seems to be catching on. But he has said in writing many times that he has done this on purpose and is well aware that the word quindecile is one of the words for the number 15 in italian.But it's times like this when we need the proper meaning of quindecile as we are speaking of a true orb of 15 degrees to teach about orbs.Yeah, I'm all about the Contraquindecile, my favorite!!CarbonUnitThanks everyone! So a stellium would be a really good energy in the chart and a main focus in a persons life? I don't know anything about the harmonics. Are there any suggestions on where to learn about them? Are they something to do with the spiritual side of astrology?Kick It quote:saturn/nn/moon 18' aries, venus 21' aries, sun 5' taurus, mercury 7' taurus. Sun conjuncts Mercury and Saturn/NN/Moon.Not Venus. 1 stellium.Venus conjuncts Saturn/NN/Moon and Mercury.Not Sun. 1 Stellium. quote:no, kick it, 15 degrees is already another aspect. i forget what the proper name is but it is both half a semisextile (sesquisextile?) and a third of a semi-square...Semi-square, sesquiwhatsit, and whatever are somewhat bearable and plausable, but aint buying it.I go with 30 degree aspects only. 15 degrees either side of a planet is a conjunction. That is a whole 30 degrees....the length of a sign - just to keep everything in proportion. If 30 degrees is the length of a sign, and there are 12 signs, that makes up a whole lot of degrees numbering 360.That is also 12 aspects.GlaucusI wouldn't use orbs that wide. Too wide for mewith the orbs that you use, my Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in 2nd would be conjunct Mercury 18'21 in 3rd with a 13'01 orb My Mercury conjunct Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 3rd would be conjunct with 13'27 orb In my 9th harmonic chart, there is a grand trine of Sun with 18'02 Leo,Mercury in 15'05 Sagittarius,Neptune in 16'13 Aries3rd harmonic x 9th harmonic = 27th harmonictherefore, my Sun,Mercury,and Neptune are in 27th harmonic aspect to each other,and not a conjunction. My Sun is not conjunct Mercury nor is my Mercury conjunct Neptune.my Mercury is conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint with 14 minutes of arc. If I can identify with Mercury conjunct Neptune, it's because of Mercury conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint as well as my Mercury parallel Neptune of 33 minutes of arc in the declinations. Of course,my Neptune in 3rd too.creator of Kepler software,David Cochrane is into harmonics. He calls the type of Astrology that he does "Cosmic Cybernetics" http://www.astrosoftware.com/CosmicCybernetics.htm I'd be looking for any possible parallels between the planets that are in wide conjunctions. I would also check if they are part of a midpoint configuration. RaymondPlutonian Persona quote:So a stellium would be a really good energy in the chart and a main focus in a persons life?A stellium can be a really good energy in a chart if that person has an otherwise unspectacular chart that needs a good kick in the pants. However, more often times what will happen, especially if the stellium is angular, is that the energy will throw the personality off kilter to such an extent that the person will behave too much like the sign in question.------------------Pluto conjunct Sun/ASCPluto sextile MarsPluto square MC/JunoPluto trine Pallas1st House Scorpio Moon, Mercury, Venus, & Uranus."We learn more about ourselves in death than we do when we are alive."GlaucusPlutonian Persona,what degrees are your Scorpio Planets in?My Sun is in 5'20 ScorpioMy Mercury is in 18'21 ScorpioMy Venus is in 21'47 ScorpioRaymondPeaceAngelDo you count Chiron and AC in stellium? Or just planets? I mean, I know we're opening the door for asteroids with Chiron, and that's ridiculous here as there are thousands of asteroids that would cover every degree of our chart, so maybe just the points then - AC, the Nodes, etc - do they count in a stellium?Plutonian PersonaRaymond:Moon and Venus at 14 degrees and Uranus and Mercury at 20 degrees. My stellium is funny with 2 sets of 2 planets right on top of each other.Glaucus"Do you count Chiron and AC in stellium? Or just planets? I mean, I know we're opening the door for asteroids with Chiron, and that's ridiculous here as there are thousands of asteroids that would cover every degree of our chart, so maybe just the points then - AC, the Nodes, etc - do they count in a stellium?" "I don't count Chiron because it's not a planet. It's a centaur. I don't count Ascendant,Midheaven,and Nodes because they are abstract points. All physical objects have nodes. An orbital node is one of the two points where an orbit crosses a plane of reference which it is inclined to.I wouldn't even count Pluto as part of a stellium because technically it's not a planet but a kuiper belt object. If Pluto is used, then why not use the other big kuiper objects.in my chart:Quaoar in 2'22 Scorpio in 2ndSun in 5'20 Scorpio in 2ndIxion in 5'25 Scorpio in 2ndthe large kuiper belt objects, Quaoar and Ixion are conjunct my Sun. It really depends on what the astrologer uses. There are a lot of astrological systems,and many astrologers disagree with what to use in Astrology. use what you think makes you feel comfortable. I can't say that I am comfortable with mainstream regular Astrology,and I feel that I need to make changes in how I do it as I learn more about latest discoveries of other objects in our solar system. Raymond
I just see them as conjunctions. Why stelliums are noted as being strong is likely down to them being the best aspect. The strongest aspect.You can see it as planets working in harmony with each other....3 or more is better than 2. Or you can see the planets as similar, but representing the houses they rule.You have 4 or more together, thats 4 houses which are connected...at least.
Start with the 1st planet and count 15 degrees either side. Whatever is in that area, is conjunct.
I have Sun, Saturn and Jupiter within 9 degrees of each other.Sun rules Leo, Saturn rules Capricorn, and Jupiter rules Sagittarius.
Leo is on my 7th cusp, Capricorn is on my 12th cusp, and Sagittarius is on my 11th cusp.
Houses 7/11/12 Should all be working pretty good with each other.
Hope that wasnt too long. If so, I wont be apologising.
quote:Start with the 1st planet and count 15 degrees either side. Whatever is in that area, is conjunct.
So kick it, are you saying that my sun at 5' taurus is part of my 18-21' aries stellium? hmmm
You want to list them planets?
IF however there were a planet (or planets, even stronger) halfway between the two they would be in a quasi - conjunct state by virtue of their relationship to the planet at the midpoint.
Kick it - saturn/nn/moon 18' aries, venus 21' aries, sun 5' taurus, mercury 7' taurus. all in 3rd h
Noel Tyl calls the 165 degree aspect which is also 24th harmonic a quindecile.
Robert Blaschke disagrees,and he calls the 165 degree aspect a contraquindecile and calls the 15 degree aspect quindecile
if 2 planets are semisextile,and a 3rd planet is quindecile, then you have 24th harmonic triangle with the 3rd planet conjunct the midpoint of planets 1 and 2.
If 2 planets are semisextile,and a 3rd planet is contraquindecile, then you have 24th harmonic isosceles triangle with the 3rd planet oppose the midpoint of planets 1 and 2. It looks like a skinny yod.
15 degrees,24th harmonics aspects are following
15 degrees - quindedicle30 degrees - semisextile45 degrees - semisquare60 degrees - sextile75 degrees - squile90 degrees - square105 degrees - squine120 degrees - trine135 degrees - sesquiquadrate150 degrees - quincunx165 degrees - contraquindecile180 degrees - opposition
once aspects get past 180 degrees,they are all waning aspects
I have Moon squine Mercury with 10 minutes of arc, and transiting Pluto is aspecting it, sextiling my Moon and semisquaring my Mercury at the same time
I wouldn't use wide orbs with aspects because they go into other harmonics
Johannes Kepler opened up a can of worms when he devised minor aspects based on harmonics. He was one of those astrologers didn't care about zodiac signs and houses, and therefore he didn't care about how the waxing/waning ptolemaic aspects and inconjuncts corresponded with the 12 zodiac signs and 12 houses.
Raymond
But it's times like this when we need the proper meaning of quindecile as we are speaking of a true orb of 15 degrees to teach about orbs.
Yeah, I'm all about the Contraquindecile, my favorite!!
I don't know anything about the harmonics. Are there any suggestions on where to learn about them? Are they something to do with the spiritual side of astrology?
quote:saturn/nn/moon 18' aries, venus 21' aries, sun 5' taurus, mercury 7' taurus.
Sun conjuncts Mercury and Saturn/NN/Moon.Not Venus. 1 stellium.
Venus conjuncts Saturn/NN/Moon and Mercury.Not Sun. 1 Stellium.
quote:no, kick it, 15 degrees is already another aspect. i forget what the proper name is but it is both half a semisextile (sesquisextile?) and a third of a semi-square...
Semi-square, sesquiwhatsit, and whatever are somewhat bearable and plausable, but aint buying it.
I go with 30 degree aspects only. 15 degrees either side of a planet is a conjunction. That is a whole 30 degrees....the length of a sign - just to keep everything in proportion. If 30 degrees is the length of a sign, and there are 12 signs, that makes up a whole lot of degrees numbering 360.That is also 12 aspects.
with the orbs that you use, my Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in 2nd would be conjunct Mercury 18'21 in 3rd with a 13'01 orb My Mercury conjunct Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 3rd would be conjunct with 13'27 orb
In my 9th harmonic chart, there is a grand trine of Sun with 18'02 Leo,Mercury in 15'05 Sagittarius,Neptune in 16'13 Aries
3rd harmonic x 9th harmonic = 27th harmonic
therefore, my Sun,Mercury,and Neptune are in 27th harmonic aspect to each other,and not a conjunction. My Sun is not conjunct Mercury nor is my Mercury conjunct Neptune.
my Mercury is conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint with 14 minutes of arc.
If I can identify with Mercury conjunct Neptune, it's because of Mercury conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint as well as my Mercury parallel Neptune of 33 minutes of arc in the declinations. Of course,my Neptune in 3rd too.
creator of Kepler software,David Cochrane is into harmonics. He calls the type of Astrology that he does "Cosmic Cybernetics" http://www.astrosoftware.com/CosmicCybernetics.htm
I'd be looking for any possible parallels between the planets that are in wide conjunctions. I would also check if they are part of a midpoint configuration.
quote:So a stellium would be a really good energy in the chart and a main focus in a persons life?
A stellium can be a really good energy in a chart if that person has an otherwise unspectacular chart that needs a good kick in the pants. However, more often times what will happen, especially if the stellium is angular, is that the energy will throw the personality off kilter to such an extent that the person will behave too much like the sign in question.
------------------Pluto conjunct Sun/ASCPluto sextile MarsPluto square MC/JunoPluto trine Pallas1st House Scorpio Moon, Mercury, Venus, & Uranus."We learn more about ourselves in death than we do when we are alive."
what degrees are your Scorpio Planets in?
My Sun is in 5'20 ScorpioMy Mercury is in 18'21 ScorpioMy Venus is in 21'47 Scorpio
Moon and Venus at 14 degrees and Uranus and Mercury at 20 degrees. My stellium is funny with 2 sets of 2 planets right on top of each other.
I don't count Chiron because it's not a planet. It's a centaur. I don't count Ascendant,Midheaven,and Nodes because they are abstract points. All physical objects have nodes. An orbital node is one of the two points where an orbit crosses a plane of reference which it is inclined to.
I wouldn't even count Pluto as part of a stellium because technically it's not a planet but a kuiper belt object. If Pluto is used, then why not use the other big kuiper objects.
in my chart:
Quaoar in 2'22 Scorpio in 2ndSun in 5'20 Scorpio in 2ndIxion in 5'25 Scorpio in 2nd
the large kuiper belt objects, Quaoar and Ixion are conjunct my Sun.
It really depends on what the astrologer uses.
There are a lot of astrological systems,and many astrologers disagree with what to use in Astrology.
use what you think makes you feel comfortable.
I can't say that I am comfortable with mainstream regular Astrology,and I feel that I need to make changes in how I do it as I learn more about latest discoveries of other objects in our solar system.
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