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T O P I C R E V I E WStarlightSmileSupremeDoes anyone with prominent Neptune or twelfth find they can easily confuse people, find them confusing or both? yellowelevatorYes. I have a prominent Neptune and 12th house planets. I do find a lot of the time that when I feel like I am being straightforward/honest/clear about something, people can still seem confused or act like they don't understand, even when I'm fairly certain that I'm being as clear as possible and making sense. I'll admit that at times I can appear verbally confusing, though never on purpose. It usually stems from simply myself not even understanding what I truly want or need. And it can easily go the other way as well. Often times certain people will be explaining something and I can just have a hard time understanding them and I feel they're misleading me or being super evasive and vague. Or somebody will tell me something and I'm 99% positive I understand what they meant, and then when I go to rehash what they said they tell me almost sarcastically at times that it was wrong. Then I get irritated because I'm only repeating back to them what they said yet I'm made to look like the idiot. This happens a lot with texting. I know with texting that can be a thing, but sometimes it just seems more prominent.I can also become very confused simply with trying to understand people's motives. I've seemed to have attracted a lot of people in my life whom have been evasive, non-committal, and just plain weird about how they feel towards me and not straightforward and honest. Super annoying, and lots of petty mind-guessing games. It might partly and unconsciously be my fault though, considering that my Neptune is angular and in the 7th house. Either way, not my idea of fun lol. I think it's why I value honesty so much, because I've received a real lack of it from others so I'm constantly on the look out for truth in partnerships and relationships in general. hannaramaaWe really are astro twins huh?I can also become very confused simply with trying to understand people's motives. I've seemed to have attracted a lot of people in my life whom have been evasive, non-committal, and just plain weird about how they feel towards me and not straight-forward and honest. Super annoying, and lots of petty mind-guessing games. It might partly and unconsciously be my fault though, considering that my Neptune is angular and in the 7th house. Either way, not my idea of fun lol.I think it's why I value honesty so much, because I've received a real lack of it from others so I'm constantly on the look out for truth in partnerships and relationships in general.Me too! All of it. I have Neptune in the 7th trine Moon and square Sun, Mercury, and Venus. UGH.I think this guy liked me and thought he was being really clear about it when he TOTALLY wasn't. He had Mercury in Aries like I did but it was square Neptune. He also had Venus square Neptune too. Two Mercury and Venus square Neptunes trying to date is a MESS. Both Aries too People don't understand what I'm trying to convey even though it makes sense to me. If I slow down and think before I speak and kind of center myself real quick then I come across loud and clear, otherwise most people think I'm a moron in conversation even though I pick up on what they're saying and on big pictures very fast. My ability to retain is also s*it.yellowelevator quote:Originally posted by hannaramaa:We really are astro twins huh?I can also become very confused simply with trying to understand people's motives. I've seemed to have attracted a lot of people in my life whom have been evasive, non-committal, and just plain weird about how they feel towards me and not straight-forward and honest. Super annoying, and lots of petty mind-guessing games. It might partly and unconsciously be my fault though, considering that my Neptune is angular and in the 7th house. Either way, not my idea of fun lol.I think it's why I value honesty so much, because I've received a real lack of it from others so I'm constantly on the look out for truth in partnerships and relationships in general.Me too! All of it. I have Neptune in the 7th trine Moon and square Sun, Mercury, and Venus. UGH.I think this guy liked me and thought he was being really clear about it when he TOTALLY wasn't. He had Mercury in Aries like I did but it was square Neptune. He also had Venus square Neptune too. Two Mercury and Venus square Neptunes trying to date is a MESS. Both Aries too People don't understand what I'm trying to convey even though it makes sense to me. If I slow down and think before I speak and kind of center myself real quick then I come across loud and clear, otherwise most people think I'm a moron in conversation even though I pick up on what they're saying and on big pictures very fast. My ability to retain is also s*it.[/B]Hahah, wow we must be! Ugh indeed lol. I don't have any squares to my Neptune, but it is quincunx Mars and conjunct Uranus. And then trine Venus and Jupiter. Oh boy, I definitely feel your pain! I'm sorry it turned out that way with him. That's happened to me so many times with guys. After awhile it gets hard for me to decipher whether it's me being fooled or it's them simply being disinterested so quickly because of the typical young male behavior (no offense to any on here!).That is definitely all me too! How exhausting, eh? My ability to retain stuff is quite s****y too. I'm amazing at looking like I'm giving someone my complete attention, but half the time my brain decides it's perfectly okay to wander off into the woods and not come back. And then when they're done talking I have to quickly make sure I remembered what was going on lol. So basically my attention span sucks. I blame the Neptune and Gemini Moon. deepseablues quote:Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:Does anyone with prominent Neptune or twelfth find they can easily confuse people, find them confusing or both? YES. Confusion = my life.charlieI don't find people confusing but I seem to confuse them, even when I am being more blunt than necessary; to the point I hurt feelings. I think it's because I am a separation of two when I speak where my mouth/mind do the action but my body and aura might project something else. It's almost like being two different people. I have also noticed that when people switch gears, out of desperation or need to control my mind, I switch right alongside them. It makes me slippery. I can also back myself into a corner, wait for "attack" and just remain calm and when onslaught is over due to other persons sheer exasperation I will just slip away. I have a hefty 12H Virgo stellium sq Neptune in progressed chart and Mars, Asc in Virgo sq Neptune in Natal. StarlightSmileSupremeGosh same here, guys! It's like the story of my life. Mo matter how hard I try to be clear, confusion always seems the outcome. the89freespiritI think the fact that I have a lot of Virgo prevents me from confusing people, as far as saying what I mean and meaning what I say. I'm very straightforward in that way.I think my high Neptunian energy just makes me confusing in the sense that I'm ridiculously multi-faceted and can basically project any personality trait any time I want to. I'm really in touch with all of the opposites and contradictions in me and I identify with all of them. It's something about me that even confuses me, at times. But, I've gotten a better handle at this as I've gotten older. I've learned to just make a conscious choice about what energy I want to project, like I'm playing a certain character. That helps keeps me centered and my head clear, instead of getting lost in all of the personalities in me. But, I'm sure it still makes me come off as confusing and complicated, because you can never, ever really pin me down. ------------------Check out My Astrology Blog: http://astroarena12.blogspot.comDeepFreezeYes, both.It makes me not want to talk to people sometimes. Which, often I don't. Lots of 12th and Neptune square one of them. Barbiegirl19Both. I confuse myself half of the time. A lot of the time before I post anything I always ask what DeepFreeze thinks before I post it just so that it does make sense. DeepFreeze quote:Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:Both. I confuse myself half of the time. A lot of the time before I post anything I always ask what DeepFreeze thinks before I post it just so that it does make sense. Not the best idea since I'm not any better! fireopal097H Moon in Pisces opposite Virgo ASC square 4H Neptune. Neptune conjuncts Sagittarian Venus. Yes, I absolutely where there has been confusion in dealing with others. This irritates my 3H Mercury in Scorpio opposite Mars. ------------------Claire"When going gets weird, the weird turn pro."-HSTfireopal097H Moon in Pisces opposite Virgo ASC square 4H Neptune. Neptune conjuncts Sagittarian Venus. Yes, I absolutely where there has been confusion in dealing with others. This irritates my 3H Mercury in Scorpio opposite Mars. ------------------Claire"When going gets weird, the weird turn pro."-HSTStarlightSmileSupremeI've learned to walk softly and carry a big smile.Chaos quote:Originally posted by yellowelevator:Yes. I have a prominent Neptune and 12th house planets. I do find a lot of the time that when I feel like I am being straightforward/honest/clear about something, people can still seem confused or act like they don't understand, even when I'm fairly certain that I'm being as clear as possible and making sense. I'll admit that at times I can appear verbally confusing, though never on purpose. It usually stems from simply myself not even understanding what I truly want or need. And it can easily go the other way as well. Often times certain people will be explaining something and I can just have a hard time understanding them and I feel they're misleading me or being super evasive and vague. Or somebody will tell me something and I'm 99% positive I understand what they meant, and then when I go to rehash what they said they tell me almost sarcastically at times that it was wrong. Then I get irritated because I'm only repeating back to them what they said yet I'm made to look like the idiot. This happens a lot with texting. I know with texting that can be a thing, but sometimes it just seems more prominent.I can also become very confused simply with trying to understand people's motives. I've seemed to have attracted a lot of people in my life whom have been evasive, non-committal, and just plain weird about how they feel towards me and not straightforward and honest. Super annoying, and lots of petty mind-guessing games. It might partly and unconsciously be my fault though, considering that my Neptune is angular and in the 7th house. Either way, not my idea of fun lol. I think it's why I value honesty so much, because I've received a real lack of it from others so I'm constantly on the look out for truth in partnerships and relationships in general. It's like I've written this..12th house Mars in Pisces, which is my chart ruler, squaring Neptune too! NN is also in the 12H. That last sentence - totally me. SimplyLunaI feel like you guys are family. hehe Story of my life! Only person I think truly understands me is my friend who has a Pisces moon and 3H Pisces. I used to get frustrated w people who misunderstood me, turns out I am the confusing one. Just curious, what career path would be perfect for someone who's Neptunian because people at work see I am vague/lostI have Neptune conj. dsc - square Sun, Mercury conj. MC in PiscesThankfully I have some help with Saturn (trine Sun) and Mars in 6thSandra018As a 12th house stelium person, with a strong neptune as well i dont agree completely with your experiences.It might be worth mentioning that my 12th house( all personal planets) st is in Aries--(all trine to Neptune), so it might not be a typical 12th house/Neptune confusion.Also my Mercury is in Aries so i m very clear in my communication- no confusion there.Neptunian themes that i experience are high intuition, liking being a loner, or actually needing some alone time daily to decompress,strong compassion...TaurusVenusGirlI have Neptune in Sag in the 1st House. Here is an excerpt from Astrograph on this placement in my chart:Neptune in Sagittarius, in the First HouseNeptune in Aries (or the first house) gives an attractive personality with a strong psychic sensitivity and an inclination to mysticism and the arts. You can be vague or discontented with life in the material plane. You can also be somewhat self-deceptive. You relate to others around you with a compassion and empathy that is quite appealing, and may be even too sensitive to their needs, or overly inclined to sacrifice yourself for their benefit. You are able to influence images in the minds of others and can therefore seem to be different things to different people, so that your own understanding of who you really are can come into question, especially if you seek to define yourself by these images. You could therefore experience confusion regarding the true motivating factors in your life. You benefit from starting to pay attention to your inner voice, and learning to follow its guidance, rather than depending on the changing reflections of those around you.Neptune in Sagittarius (or the ninth house) gives an impressionable, idealistic and very intuitive personality. You are inclined to the mystical, and are high-minded, seeing life in terms of visionary and poetic feelings rather than in practical terms. You are capable of great belief in the unknown and unproven. You are inclined to scholarly pursuits, but may feel a lack of motivation or vagueness with respect to educational goals. You also have a strong desire to explore and travel, to try novel ideas and experiment with new ways of doing things. You may be attracted to spiritual studies, or psychedelics, as a way to achieve a transcendent state of mystical union with all creation. Your challenge lies in relying on your considerable inner vision to unfold your own unique pathway, to make concrete and real your flights of consciousness to other realms, and bring this vision back with you into society at large.
And it can easily go the other way as well. Often times certain people will be explaining something and I can just have a hard time understanding them and I feel they're misleading me or being super evasive and vague. Or somebody will tell me something and I'm 99% positive I understand what they meant, and then when I go to rehash what they said they tell me almost sarcastically at times that it was wrong. Then I get irritated because I'm only repeating back to them what they said yet I'm made to look like the idiot. This happens a lot with texting. I know with texting that can be a thing, but sometimes it just seems more prominent.
I can also become very confused simply with trying to understand people's motives. I've seemed to have attracted a lot of people in my life whom have been evasive, non-committal, and just plain weird about how they feel towards me and not straightforward and honest. Super annoying, and lots of petty mind-guessing games. It might partly and unconsciously be my fault though, considering that my Neptune is angular and in the 7th house. Either way, not my idea of fun lol.
I think it's why I value honesty so much, because I've received a real lack of it from others so I'm constantly on the look out for truth in partnerships and relationships in general.
I can also become very confused simply with trying to understand people's motives. I've seemed to have attracted a lot of people in my life whom have been evasive, non-committal, and just plain weird about how they feel towards me and not straight-forward and honest. Super annoying, and lots of petty mind-guessing games. It might partly and unconsciously be my fault though, considering that my Neptune is angular and in the 7th house. Either way, not my idea of fun lol.
Me too! All of it. I have Neptune in the 7th trine Moon and square Sun, Mercury, and Venus. UGH.
I think this guy liked me and thought he was being really clear about it when he TOTALLY wasn't. He had Mercury in Aries like I did but it was square Neptune. He also had Venus square Neptune too. Two Mercury and Venus square Neptunes trying to date is a MESS. Both Aries too
People don't understand what I'm trying to convey even though it makes sense to me. If I slow down and think before I speak and kind of center myself real quick then I come across loud and clear, otherwise most people think I'm a moron in conversation even though I pick up on what they're saying and on big pictures very fast. My ability to retain is also s*it.
quote:Originally posted by hannaramaa:We really are astro twins huh?I can also become very confused simply with trying to understand people's motives. I've seemed to have attracted a lot of people in my life whom have been evasive, non-committal, and just plain weird about how they feel towards me and not straight-forward and honest. Super annoying, and lots of petty mind-guessing games. It might partly and unconsciously be my fault though, considering that my Neptune is angular and in the 7th house. Either way, not my idea of fun lol.I think it's why I value honesty so much, because I've received a real lack of it from others so I'm constantly on the look out for truth in partnerships and relationships in general.Me too! All of it. I have Neptune in the 7th trine Moon and square Sun, Mercury, and Venus. UGH.I think this guy liked me and thought he was being really clear about it when he TOTALLY wasn't. He had Mercury in Aries like I did but it was square Neptune. He also had Venus square Neptune too. Two Mercury and Venus square Neptunes trying to date is a MESS. Both Aries too People don't understand what I'm trying to convey even though it makes sense to me. If I slow down and think before I speak and kind of center myself real quick then I come across loud and clear, otherwise most people think I'm a moron in conversation even though I pick up on what they're saying and on big pictures very fast. My ability to retain is also s*it.[/B]
People don't understand what I'm trying to convey even though it makes sense to me. If I slow down and think before I speak and kind of center myself real quick then I come across loud and clear, otherwise most people think I'm a moron in conversation even though I pick up on what they're saying and on big pictures very fast. My ability to retain is also s*it.[/B]
Hahah, wow we must be!
Ugh indeed lol. I don't have any squares to my Neptune, but it is quincunx Mars and conjunct Uranus. And then trine Venus and Jupiter.
Oh boy, I definitely feel your pain! I'm sorry it turned out that way with him. That's happened to me so many times with guys. After awhile it gets hard for me to decipher whether it's me being fooled or it's them simply being disinterested so quickly because of the typical young male behavior (no offense to any on here!).
That is definitely all me too! How exhausting, eh? My ability to retain stuff is quite s****y too. I'm amazing at looking like I'm giving someone my complete attention, but half the time my brain decides it's perfectly okay to wander off into the woods and not come back. And then when they're done talking I have to quickly make sure I remembered what was going on lol. So basically my attention span sucks. I blame the Neptune and Gemini Moon.
quote:Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:Does anyone with prominent Neptune or twelfth find they can easily confuse people, find them confusing or both?
YES. Confusion = my life.
I have also noticed that when people switch gears, out of desperation or need to control my mind, I switch right alongside them. It makes me slippery. I can also back myself into a corner, wait for "attack" and just remain calm and when onslaught is over due to other persons sheer exasperation I will just slip away.
I have a hefty 12H Virgo stellium sq Neptune in progressed chart and Mars, Asc in Virgo sq Neptune in Natal.
I think my high Neptunian energy just makes me confusing in the sense that I'm ridiculously multi-faceted and can basically project any personality trait any time I want to. I'm really in touch with all of the opposites and contradictions in me and I identify with all of them. It's something about me that even confuses me, at times.
But, I've gotten a better handle at this as I've gotten older. I've learned to just make a conscious choice about what energy I want to project, like I'm playing a certain character. That helps keeps me centered and my head clear, instead of getting lost in all of the personalities in me. But, I'm sure it still makes me come off as confusing and complicated, because you can never, ever really pin me down.
------------------Check out My Astrology Blog: http://astroarena12.blogspot.com
It makes me not want to talk to people sometimes. Which, often I don't.
Lots of 12th and Neptune square one of them.
quote:Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:Both. I confuse myself half of the time. A lot of the time before I post anything I always ask what DeepFreeze thinks before I post it just so that it does make sense.
Not the best idea since I'm not any better!
------------------Claire"When going gets weird, the weird turn pro."-HST
quote:Originally posted by yellowelevator:Yes. I have a prominent Neptune and 12th house planets. I do find a lot of the time that when I feel like I am being straightforward/honest/clear about something, people can still seem confused or act like they don't understand, even when I'm fairly certain that I'm being as clear as possible and making sense. I'll admit that at times I can appear verbally confusing, though never on purpose. It usually stems from simply myself not even understanding what I truly want or need. And it can easily go the other way as well. Often times certain people will be explaining something and I can just have a hard time understanding them and I feel they're misleading me or being super evasive and vague. Or somebody will tell me something and I'm 99% positive I understand what they meant, and then when I go to rehash what they said they tell me almost sarcastically at times that it was wrong. Then I get irritated because I'm only repeating back to them what they said yet I'm made to look like the idiot. This happens a lot with texting. I know with texting that can be a thing, but sometimes it just seems more prominent.I can also become very confused simply with trying to understand people's motives. I've seemed to have attracted a lot of people in my life whom have been evasive, non-committal, and just plain weird about how they feel towards me and not straightforward and honest. Super annoying, and lots of petty mind-guessing games. It might partly and unconsciously be my fault though, considering that my Neptune is angular and in the 7th house. Either way, not my idea of fun lol. I think it's why I value honesty so much, because I've received a real lack of it from others so I'm constantly on the look out for truth in partnerships and relationships in general.
It's like I've written this..12th house Mars in Pisces, which is my chart ruler, squaring Neptune too! NN is also in the 12H. That last sentence - totally me.
I used to get frustrated w people who misunderstood me, turns out I am the confusing one. Just curious, what career path would be perfect for someone who's Neptunian because people at work see I am vague/lost
I have Neptune conj. dsc - square Sun, Mercury conj. MC in Pisces
Thankfully I have some help with Saturn (trine Sun) and Mars in 6th
It might be worth mentioning that my 12th house( all personal planets) st is in Aries--(all trine to Neptune), so it might not be a typical 12th house/Neptune confusion.Also my Mercury is in Aries so i m very clear in my communication- no confusion there.
Neptunian themes that i experience are high intuition, liking being a loner, or actually needing some alone time daily to decompress,strong compassion...
Neptune in Sagittarius, in the First House
Neptune in Aries (or the first house) gives an attractive personality with a strong psychic sensitivity and an inclination to mysticism and the arts. You can be vague or discontented with life in the material plane. You can also be somewhat self-deceptive. You relate to others around you with a compassion and empathy that is quite appealing, and may be even too sensitive to their needs, or overly inclined to sacrifice yourself for their benefit. You are able to influence images in the minds of others and can therefore seem to be different things to different people, so that your own understanding of who you really are can come into question, especially if you seek to define yourself by these images. You could therefore experience confusion regarding the true motivating factors in your life. You benefit from starting to pay attention to your inner voice, and learning to follow its guidance, rather than depending on the changing reflections of those around you.
Neptune in Sagittarius (or the ninth house) gives an impressionable, idealistic and very intuitive personality. You are inclined to the mystical, and are high-minded, seeing life in terms of visionary and poetic feelings rather than in practical terms. You are capable of great belief in the unknown and unproven. You are inclined to scholarly pursuits, but may feel a lack of motivation or vagueness with respect to educational goals. You also have a strong desire to explore and travel, to try novel ideas and experiment with new ways of doing things. You may be attracted to spiritual studies, or psychedelics, as a way to achieve a transcendent state of mystical union with all creation. Your challenge lies in relying on your considerable inner vision to unfold your own unique pathway, to make concrete and real your flights of consciousness to other realms, and bring this vision back with you into society at large.
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