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T O P I C R E V I E WjellyfishtryI looked through the forums, and must have missed it if it was there.A lot is always asked about 8 and 4. So decided to just type it here. (pg 271-2740 quote: We'll begin with the 8. People whose birth number is 8 seem to be influenced by a more pronounced fatalistic vibration. They are more "children of Fate" than the 4 people. They can be just as strong of character, as noble, devoted, hard-working, and self-sacrificing as others (and frequently even more so) but may feel that they don't receive the rewards they're entitled to or the recognition they deserve. The road to success is a hard one, strewn with obstacles. Although they often manage to rise to a position of high authority, it burdens them with stressful responsibilities, great anxiety, and long hours. 8 people not infrequently manage to accumulate wealth (in fact, the accumulation of wealth at some time in the life is a definite part of the 8 influence - depending on the position of Jupiter in the birth chart) - but the wealth may not bring any real or lasting happiness. In addition, 8 people are often required to pay too high a price for love, which almost invariably brings with it suffering of some kind.Here's an example: A man born on the 8th, l7th, or 26th day of the month marries a woman born on the 4th, l3th, 22nd, or 3lst day of the month (or whose name equals the single number 4). By thus combining the 4 and the 8, the power of these numbers is increased, and the 8 man will experience many blows of fate, mental tension, and emotional sadness in the married state.Under the law of magnetic attraction, 4 and 8 people seem to be irresistibly drawn together in all kinds of relationships: love, marriage, friendships, and business associations - relatives and relatives by marriage. The combination cannot be called fortunate, at least not in a worldly sense, although it's common for 4 and 8 people to demonstrate a deep devotion to one another (or one does, to an almost fanatical degree, even when the other doesn't). "For better or for worse", especially during times of illness or other misfortune. Some of the greatest examples of self-sacrifice in history are found when 8 and 4 people marry. The most pronounced aspect about this combination in marriage is sacrifice of some kind. Yet, great good can come from such suffering; the couple can create unusually gifted children - or produce the legacy of classical music, poetry, memorable writing of books, plays, and so forth.jellyfishtrycontinue quote:The 8 people who observe the numbers 8 and 4 continually influencing the life regarding dates of important events, telephone numbers, addresses, etc., associated with sorrow, disappointment, and bad luck, should avoid these numbers whenever possible, by changing the spelling of the name (if it equals the Single number 4 or 8) - addressees, telephone numbers, and the like, which add to a Compound number that reduces to a 4 or an 8. They should avoid keeping important engagements or planning significant events on the 4th, 8th, l3th, l7th, 22nd, 26th, or 3lst day of the month - and alter these to produce the Single number 6 (including the name number if necessary). The 8 person should try to carry out all important plans on the 6th or the 24th day of the month, but not the 6 reached through the Compound number 15. Read the reason for this in the analysis of 15 under the Compound number definitions.8 people who follow this advice, who alter the 4's and 8's in their lives to the single number 6, will substantially reduce their 'bad luck', and be able to control the curious fate that seems to follow them. They may not, however, be able to avoid all relationships with other 4 or 8 people, because most of these are karmic obligations which must be dealt with and balanced. Most of the 8 person's close friends, business associates, and relatives will usually be a 4 or an 8 by birth, or have names equal one of these two numbers.jellyfishtrycontinued quote:The 4-8 vibration is increased if the 8 person is a Star Sign Capricorn or Aquarian, since 8 is the number of Saturn (ruler of Capricorn) and 4 is the number of Uranus (ruler of Aquarius).A most important thing to remember is this: Some 8 people may prefer to carry out the full force and meaning of the 8 influence, not fearing the consequences, because they feel that forewarned, they can handle the negative aspect of the 8 - and they wish to increase the power of wealth, stability, responsibility, and so forth that the 8 influence brings. Should an 8 person make such a decision, then they should try to do everything important on the 8th, l7th, and 26th days of the month, and if the birth number is 8, they should change the spelling of the name to likewise equal a single 8 (but not in such a way that it equals the Compound 26). In doing this, they'll greatly increase their chances for material success, but they will lead curiously fatalistic lives, seeming to be 'stamped by fate' on whatever path of life they choose.However, those 8 people who choose to increase the power of the 8 in their lives rather than avoid it must take care to avoid the number 4 whenever possible - because it's the combination of these two numbers that brings strong magnetic negative influences to bear upon them.This is why the 4 people should not, under any circumstances, increase the power of the number 4, since a double 4 equals an 8. They should avoid, once again, the combination of these two numbers. And because an extra 4 here and there, along with the birth number of 4 (born on the 4th, l3th, 22nd or 3lst) will bring, by addition, the 8 influence to bear, creating the very combination the ancients warn to avoid.According to the Chaldeans, the number 4 as a birth influence is not quite so heavy an influence as the birth number 8.jellyfishtrythe part talking about the avoiding of a 15, is simply because the Chaldeans warned that those with a prominent 4 or 8 are the one's who may end up using the power of that number for bad black magic which equals bad karma...okay this has cleared some things for some. NineI like Mercury/Virgo as ruler of #4. jellyfishtry quote:Originally posted by Nine:I like Mercury/Virgo as ruler of #4. lol why do you say that Nine?idk, Vedic astrology teaches that #5 is the number of Mercury, and makes sense as it's as communicative and as 'quick' as Mercury in how often it changed.#4, is the moons South node at times if my memory isn't failing me, and other times they consider it the 'negative' aspect of the sun....however i do agree with you that i feel it suits virgo a bit.but am curious why do you think 4 for Virgo and Mercury is a good 'representation?'Nine^ For starters I read it in a book. I believe Chiero has #4 as the feminine side of Sun (1-4). Perhaps this is why Aquarius is given rulership. Aquarius is, of course, the equal and opposite of Leo, not the servant. #4 is service. Uranus/Aquarius is a masculine principle that deals with ego expression. #4 is the principle of work (hard work), service to others, limitation, bringing order to chaos. It's a grounded/practical/money/earthy energy. I can see the Virgo side of Mercury in this #, but not the scientific/Aquarius qualities it's supposed to have. jellyfishtry^AH!! makes a lot of sense. I actually like it when we make our own 'observations' about these things, and yours seem well thought out!thanks for the explanation. I have the Cherio book if you want me to double check, but i think you got it right in any case!Thanks again NineThanks. It was Norman Shine who has Mercury/Virgo as ruler of #4. Cheiro has 4 as the feminine side of the Sun, with 1 as masculine.jellyfishtryCheiro (who i do believe LG when in her book when she says he sort of 'brain washed'/hypnotized' King Edward #7 onto dying on the day he did, with his doom and gloom silliness)anyway i feel he just took what he learnt from vedic astrologers and applied something Europeans of his time would understand, (not a lot of 'moon nodes' going on back then)anyway though don't think the number 4 is bad at all(depending on name and bday of course) for the reasons you highlighted, and it does seem to have 'stabalizing' energies to it...of course the chines hate it, as it does sound like the world for death for them ...ok will stop blathering here lol.RandallToday should be a money day. Nine quote:Cheiro (who i do believe LG when in her book when she says he sort of 'brain washed'/hypnotized' King Edward #7 onto dying on the day he did, with his doom and gloom silliness)I can see why she said that. I too think it was irresponsible for him to predict death.
A lot is always asked about 8 and 4. So decided to just type it here. (pg 271-2740
quote: We'll begin with the 8. People whose birth number is 8 seem to be influenced by a more pronounced fatalistic vibration. They are more "children of Fate" than the 4 people. They can be just as strong of character, as noble, devoted, hard-working, and self-sacrificing as others (and frequently even more so) but may feel that they don't receive the rewards they're entitled to or the recognition they deserve. The road to success is a hard one, strewn with obstacles. Although they often manage to rise to a position of high authority, it burdens them with stressful responsibilities, great anxiety, and long hours. 8 people not infrequently manage to accumulate wealth (in fact, the accumulation of wealth at some time in the life is a definite part of the 8 influence - depending on the position of Jupiter in the birth chart) - but the wealth may not bring any real or lasting happiness. In addition, 8 people are often required to pay too high a price for love, which almost invariably brings with it suffering of some kind.Here's an example: A man born on the 8th, l7th, or 26th day of the month marries a woman born on the 4th, l3th, 22nd, or 3lst day of the month (or whose name equals the single number 4). By thus combining the 4 and the 8, the power of these numbers is increased, and the 8 man will experience many blows of fate, mental tension, and emotional sadness in the married state.Under the law of magnetic attraction, 4 and 8 people seem to be irresistibly drawn together in all kinds of relationships: love, marriage, friendships, and business associations - relatives and relatives by marriage. The combination cannot be called fortunate, at least not in a worldly sense, although it's common for 4 and 8 people to demonstrate a deep devotion to one another (or one does, to an almost fanatical degree, even when the other doesn't). "For better or for worse", especially during times of illness or other misfortune. Some of the greatest examples of self-sacrifice in history are found when 8 and 4 people marry. The most pronounced aspect about this combination in marriage is sacrifice of some kind. Yet, great good can come from such suffering; the couple can create unusually gifted children - or produce the legacy of classical music, poetry, memorable writing of books, plays, and so forth.
They can be just as strong of character, as noble, devoted, hard-working, and self-sacrificing as others (and frequently even more so) but may feel that they don't receive the rewards they're entitled to or the recognition they deserve. The road to success is a hard one, strewn with obstacles. Although they often manage to rise to a position of high authority, it burdens them with stressful responsibilities, great anxiety, and long hours.
8 people not infrequently manage to accumulate wealth (in fact, the accumulation of wealth at some time in the life is a definite part of the 8 influence - depending on the position of Jupiter in the birth chart) - but the wealth may not bring any real or lasting happiness. In addition, 8 people are often required to pay too high a price for love, which almost invariably brings with it suffering of some kind.
Here's an example: A man born on the 8th, l7th, or 26th day of the month marries a woman born on the 4th, l3th, 22nd, or 3lst day of the month (or whose name equals the single number 4). By thus combining the 4 and the 8, the power of these numbers is increased, and the 8 man will experience many blows of fate, mental tension, and emotional sadness in the married state.
Under the law of magnetic attraction, 4 and 8 people seem to be irresistibly drawn together in all kinds of relationships: love, marriage, friendships, and business associations - relatives and relatives by marriage. The combination cannot be called fortunate, at least not in a worldly sense, although it's common for 4 and 8 people to demonstrate a deep devotion to one another (or one does, to an almost fanatical degree, even when the other doesn't). "For better or for worse", especially during times of illness or other misfortune. Some of the greatest examples of self-sacrifice in history are found when 8 and 4 people marry. The most pronounced aspect about this combination in marriage is sacrifice of some kind. Yet, great good can come from such suffering; the couple can create unusually gifted children - or produce the legacy of classical music, poetry, memorable writing of books, plays, and so forth.
quote:The 8 people who observe the numbers 8 and 4 continually influencing the life regarding dates of important events, telephone numbers, addresses, etc., associated with sorrow, disappointment, and bad luck, should avoid these numbers whenever possible, by changing the spelling of the name (if it equals the Single number 4 or 8) - addressees, telephone numbers, and the like, which add to a Compound number that reduces to a 4 or an 8. They should avoid keeping important engagements or planning significant events on the 4th, 8th, l3th, l7th, 22nd, 26th, or 3lst day of the month - and alter these to produce the Single number 6 (including the name number if necessary). The 8 person should try to carry out all important plans on the 6th or the 24th day of the month, but not the 6 reached through the Compound number 15. Read the reason for this in the analysis of 15 under the Compound number definitions.8 people who follow this advice, who alter the 4's and 8's in their lives to the single number 6, will substantially reduce their 'bad luck', and be able to control the curious fate that seems to follow them. They may not, however, be able to avoid all relationships with other 4 or 8 people, because most of these are karmic obligations which must be dealt with and balanced. Most of the 8 person's close friends, business associates, and relatives will usually be a 4 or an 8 by birth, or have names equal one of these two numbers.
8 people who follow this advice, who alter the 4's and 8's in their lives to the single number 6, will substantially reduce their 'bad luck', and be able to control the curious fate that seems to follow them.
They may not, however, be able to avoid all relationships with other 4 or 8 people, because most of these are karmic obligations which must be dealt with and balanced. Most of the 8 person's close friends, business associates, and relatives will usually be a 4 or an 8 by birth, or have names equal one of these two numbers.
quote:The 4-8 vibration is increased if the 8 person is a Star Sign Capricorn or Aquarian, since 8 is the number of Saturn (ruler of Capricorn) and 4 is the number of Uranus (ruler of Aquarius).A most important thing to remember is this: Some 8 people may prefer to carry out the full force and meaning of the 8 influence, not fearing the consequences, because they feel that forewarned, they can handle the negative aspect of the 8 - and they wish to increase the power of wealth, stability, responsibility, and so forth that the 8 influence brings. Should an 8 person make such a decision, then they should try to do everything important on the 8th, l7th, and 26th days of the month, and if the birth number is 8, they should change the spelling of the name to likewise equal a single 8 (but not in such a way that it equals the Compound 26). In doing this, they'll greatly increase their chances for material success, but they will lead curiously fatalistic lives, seeming to be 'stamped by fate' on whatever path of life they choose.However, those 8 people who choose to increase the power of the 8 in their lives rather than avoid it must take care to avoid the number 4 whenever possible - because it's the combination of these two numbers that brings strong magnetic negative influences to bear upon them.This is why the 4 people should not, under any circumstances, increase the power of the number 4, since a double 4 equals an 8. They should avoid, once again, the combination of these two numbers. And because an extra 4 here and there, along with the birth number of 4 (born on the 4th, l3th, 22nd or 3lst) will bring, by addition, the 8 influence to bear, creating the very combination the ancients warn to avoid.According to the Chaldeans, the number 4 as a birth influence is not quite so heavy an influence as the birth number 8.
A most important thing to remember is this: Some 8 people may prefer to carry out the full force and meaning of the 8 influence, not fearing the consequences, because they feel that forewarned, they can handle the negative aspect of the 8 - and they wish to increase the power of wealth, stability, responsibility, and so forth that the 8 influence brings. Should an 8 person make such a decision, then they should try to do everything important on the 8th, l7th, and 26th days of the month, and if the birth number is 8, they should change the spelling of the name to likewise equal a single 8 (but not in such a way that it equals the Compound 26). In doing this, they'll greatly increase their chances for material success, but they will lead curiously fatalistic lives, seeming to be 'stamped by fate' on whatever path of life they choose.
However, those 8 people who choose to increase the power of the 8 in their lives rather than avoid it must take care to avoid the number 4 whenever possible - because it's the combination of these two numbers that brings strong magnetic negative influences to bear upon them.
This is why the 4 people should not, under any circumstances, increase the power of the number 4, since a double 4 equals an 8. They should avoid, once again, the combination of these two numbers. And because an extra 4 here and there, along with the birth number of 4 (born on the 4th, l3th, 22nd or 3lst) will bring, by addition, the 8 influence to bear, creating the very combination the ancients warn to avoid.
According to the Chaldeans, the number 4 as a birth influence is not quite so heavy an influence as the birth number 8.
the part talking about the avoiding of a 15, is simply because the Chaldeans warned that those with a prominent 4 or 8 are the one's who may end up using the power of that number for bad black magic which equals bad karma...
okay this has cleared some things for some.
quote:Originally posted by Nine:I like Mercury/Virgo as ruler of #4.
lol why do you say that Nine?
idk, Vedic astrology teaches that #5 is the number of Mercury, and makes sense as it's as communicative and as 'quick' as Mercury in how often it changed.
#4, is the moons South node at times if my memory isn't failing me, and other times they consider it the 'negative' aspect of the sun....however i do agree with you that i feel it suits virgo a bit.
but am curious why do you think 4 for Virgo and Mercury is a good 'representation?'
Uranus/Aquarius is a masculine principle that deals with ego expression. #4 is the principle of work (hard work), service to others, limitation, bringing order to chaos. It's a grounded/practical/money/earthy energy. I can see the Virgo side of Mercury in this #, but not the scientific/Aquarius qualities it's supposed to have.
thanks for the explanation. I have the Cherio book if you want me to double check, but i think you got it right in any case!
Thanks again
It was Norman Shine who has Mercury/Virgo as ruler of #4. Cheiro has 4 as the feminine side of the Sun, with 1 as masculine.
anyway i feel he just took what he learnt from vedic astrologers and applied something Europeans of his time would understand, (not a lot of 'moon nodes' going on back then)
anyway though don't think the number 4 is bad at all(depending on name and bday of course) for the reasons you highlighted, and it does seem to have 'stabalizing' energies to it...of course the chines hate it, as it does sound like the world for death for them ...ok will stop blathering here lol.
quote:Cheiro (who i do believe LG when in her book when she says he sort of 'brain washed'/hypnotized' King Edward #7 onto dying on the day he did, with his doom and gloom silliness)
I can see why she said that. I too think it was irresponsible for him to predict death.
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