posted September 07, 2006 03:08 AM              

perhaps stirring about ...

posted September 07, 2006 02:12 PM              

Oh, I wouldn't call it unphased....I'd say pretty much of a complete transformation, even if it IS temporary!

posted September 07, 2006 02:46 PM              

I am fire and I have a very close water friend. Sometimes I am able to warm him up a lot before he starts to burn. not sexually, but friendly...

Conversely, if I am in a tempest, consummed by the things that fire consumes...the cool water is so nice...

However, when it comes to emotions with each other, its a harder blend. i have to not push too much and he has to not push me away to much.

I agree that water SEEMS unphased by fire, but fire is definately phased by water. I guess sometimes, like in "paper, scizzors and rock", the weaker-seeming is actually the most powerful.

My dh and my best friend are virgos. at the end of the day, and in my darkest hours, i love the grounding forces of the earth people.they are always THERE. they never change.

posted September 07, 2006 07:36 PM              

I don't really react or behave like a cancerian. Randall wrote on another thread that some astrologers think your rising (oh, yeah - Leo) sign is what defines who you are most of all. In my case I agree with him.

posted September 07, 2006 07:50 PM            

"Hence, Water is pretty much unphased by Fire."

Wrong.. because steam is the precurser phase before the water molecule is broken up and distributed as Hydrogen and Oxygen. They float through the air to bond with other molecules to form new compounds. When the conditions are right, the hydrogen and two oxygens will combine to once again form water.

If it stayed as steam can you imagine what our houses would be like after a hot steamy shower? Talk about humid, mold and other icky vermin that would show up

Okay.. nerd girl must leave now..

posted September 07, 2006 08:12 PM            

Then there are family friends who I've known my whole life, Pisces and Aries who have lasted like 20 years.

My sis, Pisces and her husband, Leo are a very cute couple. They've only been together a few years but they are very close.

My auntie - Aries and Scorpio uncle.. They've also been together agesssss, since before I was born.

My great grandma, and my great grandpa, were married for 60 years.. He was Cancer, she was Leo.

Conjunctions are pretty intense in synastry and there’s always a higher chance to have conjunctions (Mercury/Venus) with the sign next to you.. which for water can be either fire or air.. for fire it can be either water or earth..

posted September 07, 2006 08:16 PM            

Water vapor is still water... nothing changes molecularly when water vaporizes... just like nothing changes molecularly when water freezes...

Its extremely difficult to break up a water molecule, and relatively much easier to put out a fire. Only when water is literally trapped and then heated to over 2000 degrees Celsius does it break down. Takes one hell of a serious effort to achieve...

posted September 07, 2006 08:59 PM            

As a bit of history- it could be due to my upbringing -my mother is a Cancer Sun / Cancer Moon / Scorpio rising- with several other planets in the water elements.

My dad is a Cappy Sun /Moon, Mars and Saturn in Cancer.

My brother has a Scorp Moon / Saturn in Cancer and a Pisces rising(but he has Sun / Merc in Saggie and Mars in Aries). - He married a Scorp woman, has a Scorp sun as well as an Aqua Sun with a Scorp moon.

LOL... I am surrounded by water Even my honey has a Water moon / Saturn with his Sun in the 12th house.

For me... well, I have only Neptune, Jupiter and Mars in a water sign and my mars is only at 1 degree Pisces.

What one should also think about is the actual amount of water that is needed to put out fire. It only takes a slow flame to eventually get water to boil, but a slow stream onto a hot flame will turn to steam.

posted September 07, 2006 09:05 PM            

And yes, water to be broken down usually requires something like electrolysis - maybe thats Aqu!!

posted September 07, 2006 09:16 PM            

The most popular phases of matter are solid, liquid, gas and plasma.. but there are others..

I still think astrology is outdated in this way. I don't believe water signs are ONLY watery.. everything that is liquid matter could go under water.. Everything that is solid matter could go under earth.. Everything that is gas could go under air signs and everything that is plasma could go under fire (which would include electricity)

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I find this interesting:

Earth is solid so I’m pretty sure it would fall under the solid state..

Water is often referred to in the sciences as the universal solvent and the only pure substance found naturally in all three states of matter

Air = the mixture of gases present in the Earth's atmosphere. A gas is one of the four main phases of matter

Fire is NOT a state of matter: rather, it is an exothermic chemical reaction usually accompanied by intense heat released during a rapid oxidation of combustible material. Fire may be visible as the brilliant glow and flames and may produce smoke.

It doesn’t make sense to split signs in equal elements.. but one of them is *not* actually a state of matter.. I think it’s a bit inconsistent..

So I find plasma more plausible for *fire signs*…

All matter in the Sun is in the form of gas and plasma because of its high temperatures. This makes it possible for the Sun to rotate faster at its equator (about 25 days) than it does at higher latitudes (about 35 days near its poles).
http://en.wikipedia.org

posted September 07, 2006 09:18 PM            

In the present discussion, using your extrapolations, all liquids have boiling points and plasma generate heat.

posted September 07, 2006 09:32 PM            

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And bad air people are farts nyuk nyuk

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posted September 07, 2006 09:33 PM            

Like I said, as far as Fire is concerned, the temperature necessary to break up a water molecule is never reached on the surface of the Earth, and therefore, not relevant to all things astrological.

So, since temperature wise, water needs 2000 degrees Celsius to break down molecularly, then only in Earth's molten core, in labs, and the surface of stars can fires get hot enough to break up water via heat. (according to my sources, housefires top out at 1,300 degrees, volcanic lava is about 1,400 max.)

posted September 07, 2006 09:53 PM            

But a human being with a fire sun sign is NOT a forest fire..
A human being with a water sun sign is NOT an ocean.. *forest fires and oceans cannot communicate*
(and even if we were, WHY would we be trying to 'destroy' each other anyway? What a silly way to react to differences. Oh no we're different elements.. LETS annihilate each other.. double or debate over who can annihilate who quicker.. Shouldn't we be fighting over who would be more likely to do the right thing.. learn and compromise from differences, rather than launch wars? Why is it that annihilating seems like the "cool" thing to do all of the sudden, while compromise is geeky..)

Astrologically, we are a mixture of different elements.. Every chart has 12 houses, Every chart contains a number of signs and elements.. Every single chart has some focus however small on every single SIGN.

If for instance, a person is a Cancer with a Leo Mercury.. and they meet an Aquarius with a Pisces Mercury.. The Pisces Mercury may in theory, *drown* the Leo Mercury.. in conversation.. They’d could be overly quiet which would make a fire Mercury feel awkward, so the enthusiasm normally felt when making conversation might not be there with this Aquarius..