posted July 25, 2006 03:17 PM              

I'd add Pluto conjunct MC because it adds an obsessive/relentless quality to saturn's perseverence in achieving its goals.

posted July 25, 2006 03:38 PM              

I'd let Tim answer that one if he's around because he's the authority on it.

posted July 25, 2006 07:31 PM              

(Thanks jkxx! ) To add a few things to jkxx's very on-target description of retrograde energy: I think of it as energy turned inwards. The result is we have a hard time using the retrograde energy when we are growing up and so work extra hard on the areas where the "turned inward" retrograde energy is. As a result, when we become an adult we are VERY strong in using the retrograde energy and may focus on our retrograde energies more than our more easily flowing direct energies. Since Saturn has to do with our duty, issues of duty, responsibility, and authority could be VERY important to the person with a retrograde Saturn.

Retrogradingly,

posted July 27, 2006 06:57 AM            

Any of Saturn and Pluto relating to an angle would focus ambtion.

posted July 27, 2006 05:18 PM              

I have that mars square uranus aspect and tend to do the same thing - work diligently for a while and then just up and leave one day. Typical of uranus?

posted July 27, 2006 08:54 PM              

I have saturn in the 10th house
MC in Scorpio fixed
Sun Conjunction Saturn (not a square though, like Cristiname mentioned)
Sun Sextile Jupiter (but not a square like peri mentioned)
Mars Sextile Saturn (I think points to ambition, maybe?)
mercury in 10th house (maybe a little not as much as saturn on 10th)

posted July 28, 2006 01:58 AM            

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Are you mistaken Jupiter for Saturn, by any chance?

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No, Cristiname. Apart from foreign travel, learning, law, higher science, philosophy, publishing, religious or educational movements, Jupiter is also associated with social success, gain, ambitions and aspirations that are likely to bring social and general popularity etc.

You can read more on Jupiter here: http://www.rosicrucian.com/sia/siaeng25.htm

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Sun-Jupiter: Power-Pride: In this aspect, power is expressed in various forms of negative, or false self-approval. These forms of " patting oneself on the back" may be traced to the kind of consciousness which gives undue value to financial abundance, social or professional position, family background, egotistical reference to talents and abilities, and the kind of benevolence which is usually expressed with an eye to recognition or acclaim. An aspect of "false aristocracy," symbol of snobbery and pretension. The person so conditioned tends to exaggerate that which he deems worthy in his own nature and conditions, and reacts with anger or hurt at any implication that he is not all he pretends to be. Open, frank criticism and he closes his ears and consciousness to retire into his ivory tower of lofty, offended dignity; but let him hear, indirectly, that certain fine things are expected of him and he will bend over backwards to uphold the fine opinion which he values. In other words, he will "pour his power" into improvement if he feels it is worth the effort, but, in reverse, he will pour the same streams of power into his pride if he is belittled. He must maintain his good opinion of himself! Such a person could do nothing better to harmonize his inner disharmonies than to create a regular pattern of benevolent deeds--and not talk about them.

Sun-Saturn: Power-Unfulfillment: This is, perhaps, the most "painful" of all the afflictions to the Sun. An area of experience is thus shown to be so lacking in fulfillment that the energies of the very Center itself are needed to redeem karma. In a horoscope that is predominantly dynamic, this aspect throws a heavy emphasis on ambition and achievement in some form. The "urge to climb" is intensely felt, and power is utilized to a large degree in overcoming obstacles. It would appear that this pattern represents a past in which opportunities for development were neglected or wasted. In this incarnation lost time must be redeemed. In a predominantly passive chart, this aspect is heavily gravitational in effect; the requirements of Saturn hold the person to Earth. In such a case, check carefully for any dynamic urge in the chart which may provide a possible release of power into channels of growth. The persons represented by Saturn in this aspect are those who tend to repress or inhibit the person concerned. They threaten his very individuality, and though he may have to redeem a much needed experience of responsibility, he must, for the sake of his own constructive and healthy living, not allow himself to become so influenced by other people that he becomes subject to despair, depletion of self-confidence, or other possible psychological negatives.

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posted July 28, 2006 01:28 PM            

Jupiter is your search for reward - and yes, from this point of view, it does influence one's quest for success and aproval defining the TYPE of reward one needs - Noel Tyl:
Water Jupiter seeks emotional aproval,
Air Jupiter seeks social appreciation, fire - respect, being acknowledged
earth - being taken seriously, being valued

Jupiter is many things: luck, opportunity, success, but not ambition. in fact, your quote Peri says nothing of the sort.

posted July 30, 2006 12:32 PM              

Mars Conjunct Part of Fortune with both Conjunct my Midheaven with a Gemini Cusp.

posted August 05, 2006 08:37 PM              

I find that those with "strong" Saturn placements don't give up as easy, and those with "weaker" Saturns are very impatient.

However, a "weaker" Saturn can be a great influence over others in the sense that they don't take life quite so serious. I've learned many lessons from them about going with the flow. I've got a very demanding Saturn in Capricorn.

Example: Someone with Saturn in Scorpio is a lot less likely to want to follow someone else's plan, would rather try to implement their own. They may be less flexible and in the end, not achieve any true happiness. Someone with a Saturn in Gemini may not be as deadset on material achievements, but may make more friends along the way, type thing. This may mean they can be more cooperative with others, and in the end, gain something very special regardless.

posted August 06, 2006 11:56 AM            

Conjunctions are so fundamental that often they manifest themselves on a deeply subconscious "instinctual" level. When two bodies are conjunct, their energies blend so smoothly that often the individual cannot recognize his/her own shortcomings, and the parts of their lives that need change.

Just about any conjunction with Venus lends a strong possibility of laziness and a lack of ambition. In Saturn's odd ways, it is likely the only planet safe from the possibility of laziness in Venus conjunctions. However, there are other problems that arise with a Venus-Saturn conjunction, notably a potentially frustrating, sour and cold love life. Venus-Uranus has wild vacillations between excessive laziness and violent drive, and there is a good chance of sexual perversion.

A tight Sun-Mercury conjunction is energizing, but can also cause an individual to become lost in their own thoughts and implement little change in their lives. Sometimes there is no applicable ambition, only ideas and energies that are lost in the ether.

A Mercury-Jupiter conjunction is usually very helpful, it is a powerful aspect in a Fire sign, but when poorly aspected by other planets and/or in a Water sign, it can cause someone to become idle and reclusive.

A Saturn-ASC conjunction can cause inhibition, self-criticism and serious social difficulty in self-expression and implementing ideas.

A Sun-Neptune conjunction or Saturn-Neptune conjunction can make a hopeless dreamer, and possibly someone who is prone to chronic physical illness, creating a lack of energy and applicable ambition.

A Mars-Neptune conjunction can create someone who is weak in the face of life's challenges.

Again, there are many variables to consider for any aspect. These are just a few POSSIBILITIES. All sorts of things can eliminate the possibility of these negative vibes. Naturally, given the right placements, conjunctions can be very beneficial.

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***Edit: MysticalDream: I'm sorry, I didn't mean "easy" as a reference to "Soft" (60 degrees, 120 degrees) vs. "Hard" (90 degrees, 180 degrees, 0 degrees). I meant "easy" from a standpoint of the expression of the planets' powers. I probably shouldn't have put "easy" in quotation marks in my previous post, looking at it, I see how I made a misleading comment.