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Lynx
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posted April 17, 2006 02:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lynx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tried looking through the board but the search function isn't working(???).

Anyway, my program states that I have my Sun, Mars and Pluto in Detriment, my Saturn Exalted and my Neptune in Rulership. What dos this mean? Are there any good websites on this?

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posted April 17, 2006 04:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I want to know more about this, too. As I understand it, in very simple terms, Detriment is the worst possible sign placement for a planet (such as my Venus in Virgo). Exalted is the best possible position. And rulership is the planet being in a sign that it rules, i.e. Sun in Leo, Moon in Cancer, Mercury in Gemini or Virgo, Venus in Taurus or Libra, Mars in Aries, Jupiter in Sagittarius, Saturn in Capricorn, Neptune in Pisces, Uranus in Aquarius, or Pluto in Scorpio.

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Azalaksh
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posted April 17, 2006 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's a list or two.....

http://www.indigoray.net/symbolsexplained.html
http://groups.msn.com/HOROSCOPESCHAT/rulersdignities.msnw

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posted April 17, 2006 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That table's not real clear.

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Detriment is the worst possible sign placement for a planet (such as my Venus in Virgo).

Yes, but it can still be perfectly ok I'd say. My Mercury is in detriment in Sag, and I am very confident in my mental capabilities.

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posted April 17, 2006 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK AG, howzabout this one, then

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posted April 17, 2006 01:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Zala,

Exalted and fall are based on an ancient system of evaluating planets. Originally the planets stopped at Saturn (i.e., no Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto). So exaltation and fall of Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto may or may not apply. Personally, I think that the outer planets (i.e., Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto) operate on a level beyond the ancient system of exaltation and fall. Since rulership and detriment are found by looking at the house the planet rules and the house opposite where the planet rules, there is no difference of opinion on rulership and detriment of the outer planets.

Opinionating,

Tim

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posted April 17, 2006 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lynx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alright, I think my program is off or something. It says that my Neptune is in Rulership in Sagitarius. LOLL. Pluto in Detriment in Libra. My Sun, Mars and Saturn are correct though.

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posted April 17, 2006 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, Tim, but my goodness you're opinionated for a Virgo!

paras ~ as I understand it, exalted is the *2nd* best place a planet can be. Rulership/dignified would be the premiere best.....

And do you think that everyone with their Sun in Libra, as you and I, has their Ego/Self-Expression in the worst possible place?!?

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posted April 17, 2006 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lynx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I simply cannot imagine myself as anything but an Aquarius(ok, maybe Pisces), so in my eyes, it's not a detriment.

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posted April 18, 2006 07:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
funny always thought aqua was the exhaltation for Mercury.

sun is in detriment cos we is the humanitarian uranian erratic type... how many peeps see leo as warm and generous? As being ruled by the sun leo had better be. And as for us? we are the cold logical ones, a bit wierd and arms- length emotionally. I wouldnt have it any other way mind, its just the way the energies blend.

And sat on one arm of a t-square betwixt saturn and neptune, is my so-called-exalted Piscean Venus. ( its also trining uranus, my venus is a busy girl) Pfft. i wouldnt move it, its sweet and empathic... but the t-square sucks! relationship wise I make choices that are in La la neptune land. when it goes **** up its full neptunian self destruct with me..

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posted April 18, 2006 12:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah i was wondering just exactly how this would affect a person with no exaltations and a few falls.I am a Libra/Scorpio with a venus in virgo,neptune in capricorn all in fall,pluto at home in scorpio.Would having both my sun and moon,venus and neptune in fall make me seem weak to people,and easy to take advantage of?

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posted April 18, 2006 12:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL, Azalaksh! To you and AG both: thanks for the vote of confidence! But seriously, the placement of my ruling planet seems to have imbued me with some Virgo qualities. Oh well, I guess there are worse things.

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posted April 18, 2006 01:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Zala,

You said:

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...exalted is the *2nd* best place a planet can be. Rulership/dignified would be the premiere best...

Yes, I am opinionated for a Virgo...and here I go again! I think EXALTED is the "best" place a planet can be, while rulership is second best.

I think of exalted as a "stepping up" and refining of the energies of a planet. For instance, Aries modifying Mars (Mars in sign of its rulership) indicates an active (Aries) person. But Capricorn modifying Mars (Mars in sign of its exaltation) is an active person with the ability to DO something with their action. The Mars energy is focused into building and structuring (Capricorn) and so rises to a completely different level.

That being said, this is a topic disputed by astrologers...some say exalted is "best" some say exalted is "2nd best".

Still opinionating,

Tim

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posted April 18, 2006 01:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
paras,

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...in very simple terms, Detriment is the worst possible sign placement for a planet (such as my Venus in Virgo)...the placement of my ruling planet seems to have imbued me with some Virgo qualities...

Only not so simple with Venus in Virgo, because Venus is ALSO in FALL in Virgo. So Venus in Virgo is BOTH in its detriment and in its fall. The "nice" thing is, in Venus' case, whether an astrologer uses detriment as the most challenging placement for a planet or use fall as the most challenging placement for a planet, BOTH sides can agree Venus in Virgo is the most challenging placement for Venus!

Virgonicizing,

Tim

P.S. And congratulations on your Virgonification!

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wilsontc
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posted April 18, 2006 01:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lynx,

I use the following "keywords" for these terms:
rulership - easy
detriment - challenging
exalted - very easy
fall - very challenging

As noted, there is disagreement among astrologers as to which is more or less easy or challenging...but they all agree that rulership and exalted are easier while detriment and fall are challenging.

Easily challenged,

Tim

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posted April 18, 2006 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
paras ~

I've had several Libra friends with Venus in Virgo -- believe me, Venus in its Fall has NO problem expressing her attributes!!

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posted April 18, 2006 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tim ~

Interesting 'opinion' on Exaltedship I believe it has merit, now that I consider it with your Mars/Cappy example.....

I get such a bang out of your fabulacious post-closing signoffs

Keep up the good work!

Chortlingly,
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wilsontc
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posted April 18, 2006 04:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eliza,

You asked:

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...Would having both my sun and moon,venus and neptune in fall make me seem weak to people,and easy to take advantage of?...

Just because a planet has "challenging" energy does NOT mean it is "weak". I really don't think of Scorpio (transformation, also power) modifying Moon (home, also emotions) (Moon in sign of its fall) as "weak"! In fact, you could have VERY powerful emotions and not be shy of using them! So, no matter what people THINK of you, you probably AREN'T all that "easy to take advantage of".

The sign challenge is to USE the energy which doesn't quite "fit" with the planet it is attached to. And, as you know, out of stress comes...STRENGTH!

Powerfully emoting,

Tim

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posted April 18, 2006 04:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
dear group,

here is a website that has some good information on dignities as it applies in horary:

http://www.astronor.com/index4.htm


his descriptions of the dignities are very detailed, complex and even though this applies specifically to horary, you might find it useful for natal application, and in gaining a clearer understanding of the history of each kind of dignity:


Face - A significator appearing in its own face represents someone who behaves with dignity, keeps his poise and makes an acceptable appearance. The person receives a casual, coincidental credit, is admitted on legitimate grounds to appear among audience or peers. Dignity by face indicates the right to show face and display, but does not give the right of speech or performance. Like holding a tourist visa. Receiving preference, sympathy, staying in good word, a coincidental or casual replacement, being there, someone to hold the stand, getting round with a squeal or a single thread.

Terms - A significator located in its own terms represents someone with reasonable merit, skill and background within an appropriate field. Understanding. The person is on his own terms. Insight and experience. The significator more apt to act because he or she has greater capacity for action. The person has the know-how of the trade. Being in own terms gives capacity for negotiation, to do business and to set the terms. Knowing what one is talking about. More readily qualified or certified. The right to voice an opinion on valid grounds. Performing, doing business and having a good reason for doing so. Being at the right place, or the wrong place but for a good reason. Being on a mission. Here we have a reasonable stand-in or substitution. Someone who has more than a tourist visa and holds a credible work permit.

Triplicities - When a planet in its own triplicity it shows a person who is well set in the world both socially and financially. The person enjoys both funds and means. He or she is resourceful and often well off in a formidable way. Dignity through triplicity shows support and preferment. The signifer will enjoy a circle of friends and be well positioned in the social network. There is comfort and cultivation. This person enjoys not only admittance to the match or concert, but also good seats in the tribune. I have often seen the planet in its own triplicity represent someone who was well off with money. This I reason is because triplicity give dispositorship to a chain of three signs, which gives access to resources.

Exaltation - The significator in the sign of its exaltation is more exaggerated and has greater pushing power than in any other sign. William Lilly says that in questions of war (combat or competition), exaltation is more forceful and hence better than if the planet was in its own sign. A planet in its exaltation is in its highest ascendant. Exaltation is assertive, aggressive, competitive and conquering. Sudden wealth and fortune may be shown. Again referring to the classics, when a planet is in its exaltation it may represent someone who assumes more than they are due. Hence, exaltation may be both noisy and naughty. The planet by exaltation pushes himself to the front. Loyal to no one but himself. He is apt, skilled and an expert of his trade, but in any sort of relationship beneficial application or reception will show better commitment. Also, the state of the true dispositor and natural ruler of that sign tells the true story of how the exalted planet is working and what lies the scenes.

Natural Sign - if the planet is in its own sign it represents someone of esteem, who is renown, established, king and master or a natural within his field. The person enjoys all rights and full performance. It is a fortunate indication, like a person coming to his own. He is first in line. Calm command and supervision. Wealth and resources. The planet in its own sign is well founded, is stable and has long term significance. This dignity is enjoyed by all the other planets to which it commits its disposition of a lesser order, hence along the terms understood of those lesser dignities. I.e. By day Saturn is benefited by the presence of Mercury in Gemini. Mercury is thus in his own sign but in the triplicity of Saturn, which shows the resources and social circle of Saturn to carry greater strength.

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Lynx
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posted April 24, 2006 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lynx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i haven't had anything to say, because I'm not sure if I can really add anything to this beautiful thread. But thank you guys for your in depth responses.

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