posted June 16, 2006 11:56 AM              

Saturn usually represents restriction or a burden. The Third House represents siblings. I have two half sisters who are mentally ill. I have a half brother who has sociopathic tendencies. I have another half sister on my mother's side who has brittle bone disease. All have been burdens in one respect or another.

The third house can also represents the lower mental functions. It shows the type of mind that a person has. Saturn in the Third usually bestows a disciplined approach to thinking and much hard work may be put into the development of the mind.

Hayek

posted June 16, 2006 12:17 PM            

Hmm, well take a look at this chart, and see if there is anything strange about the state of his siblings...

1st October 1986
around 0750 to 0800
103e51 longtitude
1n16 latitude
+8 hours China coast time

posted June 18, 2006 02:50 PM              

How do you think the 3rd House of lower mental functions would affect a Natal Cancer Moon in the 3rd?

posted June 18, 2006 06:12 PM              

My siblings are all over the place and they are peaceful, fun loving, intelligent, not very ambitious. One is an Aquarius and one is a Sag. Since it's a masculine planet, my friends tend to be men who are like my brothers. My siblings have high ideals, strong political beliefs and love music.

posted June 18, 2006 07:26 PM            

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Heh. I don't have Sag. on the cusp. I have Scorpio on the cusp. But the only planet I have in the 3rd is my Moon which is in Sag.

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Some other factors that you may want to consider:

What aspects do you have with Mars and Pluto (Scorpio on 3rd cusp) and your Moon in your chart? What houses are Mars and Pluto in?

posted June 18, 2006 08:27 PM            

Mars is in Aquarius in the 5th.
Square Pluto in Scorpio
Sextile Sun in Aries
Trine Midheaven (Gemini)

Ummm...Pluto is in Scorpio in the 2nd.
Trine Venus in Pisces
Opposite Mercury in Taurus
Sextile Neptune in Capricorn.

posted June 18, 2006 08:35 PM              

The ages go from
me - 35
Pisces brother, 33, Full sibling
Aqua Sister, 27, Step sibling (Orphaned)
Leo brother, 25, Step Sibling
Scorpio brother,24, Step Sibling
Gemini Sister, 20, Half Sibling

Not sure where I would find them in my chart....c'est la vie, as they say.

posted June 18, 2006 09:07 PM            

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Um. Well, my Moon isn't so greatly aspected. It makes too aspects - an inconjunct to Jupiter in Cancer (They're in mutual reception.) and a square to Venus in Pisces.
Mars is in Aquarius in the 5th.
Square Pluto in Scorpio
Sextile Sun in Aries
Trine Midheaven (Gemini)

Ummm...Pluto is in Scorpio in the 2nd.
Trine Venus in Pisces
Opposite Mercury in Taurus
Sextile Neptune in Capricorn.

Cancer is on my 11th House cusp.

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Scorpio on the 3rd or Pluto or Mars in the 3rd can indicate a lack of brothers and sisters. Looking at the hard aspects that you have in your chart concerning the 3rd house: the co rulers of your 3rd house, Pluto and Mars, are in a square, as well as Pluto is in opposition to your Mercury, natural ruler of the third house (Gemini on the cusp). All of those factors may contribute to a lack of siblings and in your case it did.

posted June 18, 2006 09:23 PM              

Also, I have Uranus at 1 degree Libra at the end of my tenth house (cusp is in Virgo).
Uranus conjunct Jupiter (in Virgo)
Uranus conjunct Pluto (in Virgo)
Uranus sextile Venus (in Scorpio)
and a loose conjunction of 8 degrees with my
moon in Libra (11th house)........

posted June 18, 2006 09:27 PM            

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The ages go from
me - 35
Pisces brother, 33, Full sibling
Aqua Sister, 27, Step sibling (Orphaned)
Leo brother, 25, Step Sibling
Scorpio brother,24, Step Sibling
Gemini Sister, 20, Half Sibling

Not sure where I would find them in my chart....c'est la vie, as they say.

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The third house in general represents brothers and sisters.

Using derivative houses: the 5th house represents the 2nd sibling (3rd from the 3rd house), the 7th house represents the 3rd sibling (3rd from the 5th house), the 9th house represents the 4th sibling (3rd from the 7th house), 11th house represents the 5th sibling (3rd from the 9th house), and the 1st house represents the 6th sibling (3rd from the 11th house) and so on.

When counting with derviative houses, always include the house that you are in as 1 and count from there.

posted June 18, 2006 09:31 PM            

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Hmm... I'm not sure how mine "fits".
My third house is in Aquarius. I have no planets or even asteroids there (except pholus). I have two brothers; one is a Cancer Sun and the other is a Scorpio Sun....
I just don't see the connection.

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Somethings to consider:

What aspects do you have with Uranus, the ruler of your 3rd house?

posted June 18, 2006 09:44 PM            

But thank you, astroleolady! That was really insightful. I'd never thought about it like that.

posted June 18, 2006 09:58 PM              

Also, I have Uranus at 1 degree Libra at the end of my tenth house (cusp is in Virgo).
Uranus conjunct Jupiter (in Virgo)
Uranus conjunct Pluto (in Virgo)
Uranus sextile Venus (in Scorpio)
and a loose conjunction of 8 degrees with my
moon in Libra (11th house)........

I have Libra eleventh house with my Sun, Moon and Mercury all there.

posted June 18, 2006 10:14 PM            

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Haha, nah. My Jupiter is in the 10th conjunct my MC in Gemini.
But thank you, astroleolady! That was really insightful. I'd never thought about it like that.

Mercury is also my chart ruler. hahah

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posted June 18, 2006 10:39 PM              

My Pisces brother would match up with my 3rd house and he has moon in cancer conj my moon. All his pisces planets trine my moon.

My Youngest sister, who is my half sister - going by what was posted earlier would be the 11th house cusp - which is pisces on the 11th. She has Jupiter in pisces in my 11th and she is a Gemini with a bunch of mutable planets.

The 5th House would represent my orphaned stepsibling? She is an Aquarius and I have uranus in my 5th.

The 7th house is Sagitarrius the sibling that comes there is a Leo. Not sure how this matches up.

The 9th house is my Scorp stebsibling and still not sure how this matches up. Though I think with Capricorn ruling my 9th house, might explain the Mutual sun - saturn oppositions in the chart with his chart and mine.

I'm just trying to figure out how this works so I can gain a better understanding of this. So excuse me if I go into analysis mode - like i had mentioned just trying to figure it out via my chart..

posted June 18, 2006 11:51 PM              

So, we would agree that Sun rules dad, Mercury rules siblings, 1st & foremost, by this logic.

In my natal chart, my Mercury conjuncts my sun by less than a minute. Both in 15 degrees, but about 35 seconds apart. (I think 60 seconds make up a degree)...anyway, keeping that conj. in mind, it's interesting that my dad & older sister's birthdays are both on May 21st.
Dad, 1939
Sis, 1966

My moon, in 7:56 Aquarius, in the 2nd house, tightly squares my mom's moon at 8:12 Taurus. A second house moon means your mom could have Taurus qualities, or a strong 2nd house, or Venus Earth going on, but it also usually means your value system came from your mom. It's important to remember that the moon's qualities & conditions are based on individual PERCEPTIONS of the "mom" experience. So, siblings moons can be all over the place because of this. People change. Moms are people. It's such a precarious aspect, and so critical in a chart, the moon is. I guess that's why it's considered a heavy hitter.

My merc & sun oppose my moon, & both dad & sis gave my mom such a hard time. (she was kind of a Saggie flake). They seemed to take turns ripping her a new one lol...But, me & my mom have always been tight. I know I'm her fave...We're both independant thinkers, freedon lovers, outspoken (her not so much anymore, but she use to be) I'm always kind to her, and find her terribly funny. My dad and sis have no sense of humor sometimes. Stubborn bulls, both of them. My mom's sun conjuncts my 3 degree Sag. asc. too. (mom is early Sag., Nov. 26th b-day)

My own chart seems to tell me that the planets should be read first, and the aspects they make to other planets. Then, as a second layer, look at the ruler of the corresponding houses, where it is, in what sign, making what aspects. But it can be hard to know what your cusps really are, because there's so many different house systems....Anyway, suffice it to say, it's a multilayered thing, just as your siblings are multilayered people. Families are complex in general (some more than others), but pieced together by fate, so you'll always find astro connections between planets, asc, desc within family members, especially siblings.

Oh, another thought: It's not uncommon to find siblings with opposing ascendants, because siblings are often the people we first learn how to relate with (after mom & dad). Siblings could have opposing suns & ascendants too, putting one's sun in the other's 7th house. Any planet in the 7th house is often colored by a sibling, because the relationship is so influencial sometimes. You'll find alot of 1st/7th house interaction between siblings.

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posted June 19, 2006 02:42 AM            

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Or when counting my siblings do I just count my full and half siblings than my stepsiblings? Cause I'm looking my chart over and the houses don't fit the stepsiblings.

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If you find that the derivative house system isn't working for your step-siblings you may want to try this instead.

According to Rex Bills's rulership book step-siblings from the step-parent of the opposite sex as you are governed by the 8th house.