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lovegoblin
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posted November 14, 2006 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovegoblin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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libraschoice7
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posted November 14, 2006 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are you talking about in natal charts or synastry charts? That is weird that they named it that "Impossible Dream", mabe they named it that because it's too good to be true perhaps

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posted November 14, 2006 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Magi Society's book, LOVE AND MONEY

Activation: There is a strong initial attraction,and it can be lasting,but somehow or other, a relationship with this activation very rarely results in a marriage. If it does, the marriage usually fails;therefore,we call this activation the IMPOSSIBLE DREAM. In the long run, this activation usually results in antagonistic viewpoints about the relationship and where it's going,and can be a cause of strident disharmony,with misleading,intermittent periods of ease. Such relationships are like yo-yos,but they spiral downward. You don want this activation in any relationship because the odds of failure are very high, and it is a highly destabilizing to all other areas of your life. It really is the impossible drea,yet you dream about it constantly.


BTW..I am not a believer in Magi Astrology because it doesn't seem to be consistent. Also..not one aspect indicates definite trouble nor absolute negative result. You see this time and time again with Magi Astrology. Magi Society has a tendency to pidgeonhole stuff and try to adjust things if it doesn't concur with their original statements.

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posted November 14, 2006 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Here is a synastry intepretation from Solar Fire

This combination of the planet Venus and the asteroid Chiron indicates a significant but difficult relationship. %1 and %2 love each other, either as friends or lovers, but have difficulty avoiding misunderstandings and upsets. The problem is that their union is strongly influenced by childhood traumas. Present-day situations bring memories of previous painful experiences to the surface. Inadvertently %2 seems to upset %1's feelings. There is also a tendency for %2 to blame %1 for all of [his/her/1] problems. %1 needs to develop a strong sense of self-understanding in order that [he/she/1] can make a clear commitment to this relationship. Once committed, %1 would be wise to ensure that [his/her/1] needs are met. In return %2 needs to develop a sensitive awareness of %1's emotional wounds. This sensitivity will serve [him/her/2] well in other situations. If the difficulties can be overcome, this union can bring a sense of freedom and joy.

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posted November 14, 2006 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovegoblin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 14, 2006 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds more like the wounds get opened up most of the time, instead of getting healed, you'd never think that with a combo that sounds so pretty though huh!

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posted November 14, 2006 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovegoblin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 14, 2006 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

challenging Chiron aspects in synastry..no matter what the planet is..can indicate possible wounds,pain in the relationship..it can also indicate the chance to heal,teach,and guide too. There is always a positive to a negative just there is always negative to a positive.

It all depends on what the 2 people choose to do with their energies.

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posted November 14, 2006 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is what it says in one of my reports:
IMPOSSIBLE DREAM CLASH. In most cases, it is best to avoid this person. This may be hard to do because this clash is often a sign of very strong and unrelenting attraction such that you cannot get your mind off this person. But for one reason or another, it is rare for two people with this clash to get married. But it can happen, especially if either person was born with a square or opposition to Chiron. There are much worse clashes than this one because this clash is not actively negative, whereas all Saturn Clashes are. With Saturn Clashes, breakups are usually highly acrimonious. Whereas with this clash, if a love relationship fails, the two persons would probably be sad as opposed to being bitter and would most likely remain on friendly terms.

I find Magi a little too black-and-white for my taste -- "it MUST be this, it CANNOT be that" type statements.....

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It all depends on what the 2 people choose to do with their energies.
Glaucus

Perhaps time for my all-time fave quote:

From Steven Forrest: http://www.stevenforrest.com/lovehandles.html

quote:
To me, in the realities of the astrological counselling room, there are
two immutable premises:

There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently sweet that enough selfishness, confusion about sex, or
immaturity cannot turn it sour.

There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently bitter that enough patience, devotion, and humility can
not only make it last, but make it something precious to both people.

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posted November 14, 2006 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovegoblin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 14, 2006 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lovegoblin

I am venus in the opposition with someone.


It "was" an "impossible dream"
It took us by surprise and "shook us up" pretty hard..
because it was , over time, impossible to resist. We just hurt each other right back over again. And there was a disharomony about where the relationship would go... I was person #1 in the Solar fire report.
We did love each other...

No regrets ..

Thanks Glaucus and Zala for posting all those interps... It was all true...all 3 were spot on....
Maybe because the opposition is to my Sun and Merc. as well... "felt it all"
Moon sq. Saturn in the mix... lotsa Neptune, too.

friendly terms... but not friends.

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posted November 14, 2006 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovegoblin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 14, 2006 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Azalaksh, I like that quote you stated.. simply full of wisdom.. ^_^

While researching about astro, I've seen some really good synastries that have failed.. they have lotsa good compatibility aspects and etc., but somehow things ended up not working at all..
But that's not just about astrology.. I've seen couples that were really wonderfully fitting together, yet due to various reasons, the relationships failed.. I myself also experienced that kind of thing.. T_T

You can have a great compatibility (not just talking about astrology stuffs), yet if you commit mistakes and repeats them over and over again, you'd end up ruining all the good feelings and make it bitter..
You can have a bad compatibility, yet if you think that it's worth enough to work out with each other and have enough patience and understanding (selflessly), it might work out.. and it means learning with each other's differences coz you love each other.. It would truly become valuable for both, even if the relationship is meant to last or not.. ^_^

But remember, charts tells you the potencials in an astrological vision.. yet it doesn't grant us if it lasts or not.. (well astrology also said it: there are things called progressed synastry/composite lol.. but dunno much about them ^_^; )
The most important is, putting astrology aside, how do you feel about this relationship? If there are difficulties that will arise, will you try hard to overcome it together with the one you love? Is it worth for you to bear with the less happier times together? Remember, relationships are never perfect.. but if this love is really meaningful and important for both, then two people will try to learn and overcome it together.. ^_^

And just as Glaucus always said, "free will is the ultimate factor".. XD

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posted November 14, 2006 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't mind..

I guess the best way I can explain it would be that.. our feelings came on very quick.
It was overwhelming and definitions came later on.. What we meant to one another and how we fit into one anothers lives shifted between.."We are too good to be true"...I want to be with you alot " to...." I really need a break because day to day doesn't seem to work." .. I know i brought out an intensity that he had always tried to sit on (control). We were very exciting together and it seemed we ended up suffering for it because we could only handle it in doses.. Hard to define the long term under those circumstances... Often we were not on the same page. I don't think we really "knew" what we wanted from one another and sometimes when you don't know what you want... you don't know what you've got.

If you have anymore specific questions?
feel free to e-mail me at:
acarr@sbcglobal.net

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posted November 14, 2006 10:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
'Zala -

I really enjoyed that Steven Forest article.
Thank you.

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posted March 31, 2024 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ryan7863     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
this is very fascinating! an "unrelenting attraciton" i felt that right in my soul when i read it!

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