posted January 27, 2006 10:19 AM              

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

The similarities I see are when considering the energy by itself, not like "it depends on the rest of the Chart". - Just the essence of Aquarius/Uranus/11th House energies, and Scorpio/Pluto/8th House energies.

* They both have a fascination for the strange

* They both fight for the freedom to express themselves.

* They are both able to step back from a situation to access ...

* They both access a situation in order to influence things.

* They both have really deep feelings which are not easily accessible.

* They are both attracted to the sciences.

* They both hold a lot of things inside them until they "blow up" to create revolution.

* They both tend to be ahead of their time, especially when it comes to attitudes about sex.

* They are both Fixed.

* They are both good at eye contact when they talk to you.

There's probably more in my head ....

posted January 27, 2006 11:42 AM              

* They both have a fascination for the strange

Yes but the Aquarians ARE strange and they don't know it. The Scorps are a little more conventional in their thought but they ARE interested in strange things. For instance my Scorp wife is starting a research project studying non-verbal communication in public bathrooms. WTF? She has Uranus conjunct Sun, but even so, the bathroom is a Scorp place.

* They both fight for the freedom to express themselves.

Scorps tend to be more aware that they are fighting though and it's always a noble pursuit. Aquarians take it for granted that they should be free and are shocked if someone imposes upon them.

* They are both able to step back from a situation to access ...

Aquarians are not interested in justifying their self-interested actions to anybody, including themselves. Scorps tend to get so upset that they use logic to rationalize their actions.

* They both access a situation in order to influence things.

???????

* They both have really deep feelings which are not easily accessible.

Hafta disagree. Aquarian emotion really isn't as much a motivating factor as Scorpion emotion. And also, Scorps emotion is not only easily accessible it is friggin inescapable!

* They are both attracted to the sciences.

YES!

* They both hold a lot of things inside them until they "blow up" to create revolution.

God yes, but Scorps are scary and Aquarians just pi$$ you off. The reason I think is that Scorps direct their energy at reshaping everything (including you) as it pleases them. Aquarians blow up and walk away, then they aren't mad in 20 minutes. A scorp is mad FOREVER!

* They both tend to be ahead of their time, especially when it comes to attitudes about sex.

Hm.

* They are both Fixed.

Good lord yes.

* They are both good at eye contact when they talk to you.

posted January 27, 2006 11:46 AM              

They Both no how to take REVENGE

posted January 27, 2006 12:28 PM              

One thing I have noticed is that although both enjoy sciences, they like different types of science. Aquas tend to go into more mechanical things, like they'll become architects or engineers or computer programmers, and they're good at this. But scorpios do much better at things like chemistry and biology. They have a 6th sense which tells them what the underlying patterns in nature are, and they can't explain it to you. Me personally, I have moon in aqua and mercury, mars and pluto conjunct in scorpio. I couldn't do math if my life depended on it, but I was known as the biology whiz in school.

posted January 27, 2006 01:11 PM              

I trust you.

posted January 27, 2006 01:31 PM              

They are brilliant at it.....ooh I love the way they can let go......wonderful it is !!!!

posted January 27, 2006 01:43 PM              

Some of my wifes best friends are Aqua's. Also I noticed how odd I think Aqua's are, I am a Cancer and I am quincunxed Aquarius by sign. I can't figure them out. My wife doesn't see them as strange though. Thought that was interesting.

posted January 27, 2006 01:45 PM              

As a scorpio girl, i am a chemist..AND i always love the strange people,events...My friends and my family tell me that I am always dressing different ...

Also,my mercury is in scorpio on 11 th house,which is the planet of aquar..But i dont know sometimes i feeling loneliness,which can be the reason of scorpio&11th house double effect..And i always love new things,people...and of course science and technology...

posted January 27, 2006 01:48 PM              

She is the most stubborn person I've ever met. Once she has something fixed in her mind... that's it... she is going to do it.

My mother says "she's just like you".

No way... I walk away... Now my mom (a Taurus) has the patience of a saint... she'll stand there and wait until my lil' Aqua backs down. Shheeeezzz... I envy those 2 with their patience.

I don't get that upset with it... unless of course it's going to hurt her. Let her experience life. Who cares if she gets a little dirty???? The Taurus will waste a lot of time with those type of things. Stand-offs over mud puddles???

Ahhh... it's amusing to watch

posted January 27, 2006 02:03 PM              

you started another thread close to my heart.

i think the MAIN reason scorpio and aquarius share such a sympatico is because they are connected by antiscia!

The word Antiscion (pl. Antiscia) comes from the Greek, meaning 'opposite shadows'. The Antiscion of a planet is its zodiac degree mirrored across the solstice points of the Cancer-Capricorn axis, and so differs from the usual concept of an opposite point in zodiacal (ecliptic) terms. A planet's Antiscia is the degree at which it would be in the opposing season. That is when the Sun would be at the same degree of declination north or south. Thus, 0 Aries has a Solstitial point of 0 Libra, then 1 Aries = 29 Virgo, 2 Aries = 28 Virgo, etc. In other words, two Antiscia are mirror points across the summer-winter solstice lines. You can visualize this by taking a chart form and folding it along the Cancer Capricorn axis. In this diagram 5 degrees of Aquarius has an Antiscion of 25 Scorpio and 15 degrees of Aries has an Antiscion on 15 degrees Virgo. The 'fold line' is at Cancer/Capricorn. This is not the same as declination positions, even though the meaning of Antiscia is vested in the path of the Sun in its Declination. To really understand Antiscia (which are also called solstice points) you first need to have an understanding of declination. Declination is explained in another short reference tutorial but is also studied in depth under the Canopus curriculum.

http://www.panplanet.com/articles/antiscia.htm

i had some experience with this in my last relationship.

my chart ruler venus is at 18 aqua. his venus (which was his DC ruler) was at 12 scorpio -- so our venus were square each other by 6° BUT they were also conjunct each other's antiscion point. i really can't describe what it's like to interact with someone who you share this kind of connection with, i can only say it is VERY strong.

for instance, the famous couple frida kahlo and her long-time lover diego rivera did not share much traditional synastry, but they had NUMEROUS antiscia connections. i can't find their charts right now, but i'll try and dig that up.

i have a paper on antiscia somewhere, let me quote from that:

What we know of these Solstice points comes from Julius Firmicus Maternus. Firmicus Maternus wrote two books in his time and his time was the 4th century CE. He wrote The Eight Books of the Mathesis or Theory of Astrology, the final and most complete work on astrology in the western world prior to the penalties exacted against non-Christian practices. And then ten years later he wrote a bitter attack on the mystery religions from a Christian point of view, clearly after a conversion to Christianity. It is in Book 8 of the Mathesis that he mentions these Solstice points only he doesn’t call them solstice points. He tells us that the beginning of the Antiscia is either 0° Cancer or 0° Capricorn and he calls them Antiscia.

“The Antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of Antiscia. Antiochus when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached theory of the Antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the Antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book.”

Julius Firmicus Maternus
The Mathesis: Ancient Astrology Theory and Practice

This technique was brought to western civilisation when the Greek-neat thought had domesticated the sky and it is totally based on the ecliptic. Even so, it is a technique that is totally filled with enchantment. The word “Antiscia” comes from the Latin antiscii and the Greek antiskioi meaning anti-opposite and skia shadow. “Shadows on the other side”. In the modern dictionary we have this definition of Antiscia:

“dwellers on the same meridian on opposite sides of the equator whose shadows at noon fall in opposite directions.”

Antiscia Points – formed from the Solstice axis - are “shadows on the other side”. Firmicus Maternus states:

“Gemini send Antiscia towards Cancer and Cancer towards Gemini; Leo send Antiscia towards Taurus and Taurus towards Leo; Virgo send Antiscia towards Aries and Aries towards Virgo... What we have said about Antiscia is not enough unless we list in detail which degrees emit influences to which other degrees ...”

This last statement is a very important point: certain degrees exert influence over other degrees.

So the Solstice Axis acts as a dividing line in much the same way as does a mirror when we look into it. Hence a point’s Antiscia is its reflection from the Solstice or Capricorn/Cancer axis. What he is saying is that if we took a natural zodiac beginning with 0° Cancer and 0° Capricorn, then this Solstice Axis divides the chart into two hemispheres. If we orient the chart to the natural zodiac beginning with 0° Aries rising, then an abundance of planets/ luminaries in the right hemisphere will tend to signify a compulsive relator, one who needs other people in his or her life to fulfil that person’s life. An abundance of planets /luminaries in the left hemisphere will tend to signify an independent person, one who is comfortable with aloneness and selfreliance, autonomy and lack of constraint. In a natural zodiac, the Solstice points divide the chart in half in terms of dependent and independent relationships.

The hardest thing to see is ourselves directly. We only know ourselves through reflection. By looking into a mirror we see who we are. What we see is our counterpart likeness and representation. Our reflection fills the same space “on the other side”, duplicated yet reversed. We and our image are equidistant from that mirror no matter where we stand.

Firmicus goes on to say that

“thus, if computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of Antiscia.”

In other words, does a planet at, say, 2° Libra make an aspect to another planet in your chart at 18° Pisces? The answer is that even if you had a planet sitting there, with 162° of separation it does not make an aspect to it. However, it sits in the place in your chart where it forms a mirror reflection across the Solstice axis to its Antiscia point. It influences that point.

Think of it like this. You are walking along a street of houses and then you come to a shop window. Suddenly you see your reflection in the window. Your reflection is made clear to you at that point along the street.

So it is with Antiscia points. That Antiscia point holds tremendous power to bring that part of a person into clear focus, catalysed by another.

Why does it work? There are many ways to divide a chart and bisecting it is a natural solar action. We live in a duality - night-day, male-female - north-south. If we look to fairy stories, they are full of information on what to do in the world of enchantment, how to behave, what to hear - and to make sure that one remains grounded in the mundane, practical world.

Solstice points are most relevant in relationships. Since in a natural zodiac the Solstice axis divides the chart in terms of dependent and independent relationships, if one meets a person who has a planet at that exact degree, that is a tremendously powerful point for interaction and connection between the two people. It is the point where that person allows the other to express that planet or luminary in the external world. It is a point where your planet/luminary is made possible in the external world.

Hence Antiscias are of special use in Synastry work, for they define one’s points of expression in the world via another individual. To look at Antiscia points to see how another person helps one to fulfil oneself may explain why a person may feel such a close connection, positively or with difficulty, with another when it may not be that obvious through Composite and Synastry work.

so i agree -- scorpio and aquarius DO share a certain something in common!!

posted January 27, 2006 02:48 PM              

* They both fight for the freedom to express themselves.

Hmm, i'd say on this point that Scorpios less *fight* for it - they'll express themselves whatever, and gawd help anyone who tries to stop them

I guess i associate that actual fight against The Man with the next sign along, Sagittarius

Aquarians are interesting folk... i find it bloody hard to pin them down. Same with Libras, i can never quite get a coherent picture of what a 'typical' one is like from the Libras i know, even tho i know it parrot-fashion from books, etc.

It's like there's something about some sun signs that maybe makes them dissolve into the chart more, and brings other influences to the fore.

posted January 27, 2006 03:18 PM              

My Aqua Moon is in the 8th House which is squared to my Uranus in Scorp (and Venus in Scorp)in my 5th House. What I think this means, is that:

Behind my friendly, easy going facade, is a really deep & sensitive person. It's kinda like my smile is the 'wall' in which I can get most people to stop at so as not to go into those somewhat uncomfortable feeling thingies. I hope that makes sense! I also know that the above aspect(s) make me a weird one at heart (although it may or may not be apparant at 1st glance). And I am right at home with people society would consider weird.

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`Who are you?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'
~Lewis Carroll

posted January 27, 2006 03:31 PM              

When my scorp guy friend gets angry, he throws things in your face from about 5 years ago all in a sequece leading up to 5 minutes ago. I hate it! I just want to hit him! Though I keep my cool and calm him down. I think that's one reason why he calls me when he's upset..if he's depressed (I mean majorly depressed- happens every couple of weeks) he calls crying saying all these things that I can't understand. Then 20 minutes later I have him rolling on the floor laughing. .

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aquarius sun, pisces rising & venus, scorpio moon, pluto & eros

posted January 27, 2006 03:39 PM              

*clearing throat so it sounds like I've heard about the Antiscion before*

Yes! You have figured it out ...

... hee hee ...

This really is like finding gold... I had no idea! It kept BUGGING me because when we speak in generalities, we tend to clump Scorpio with "emotions" and Aquarius with "detachment". So, I was willing to accept that they may arrive at similar destinations via completely different methods. But it's true, it's NOT the same as Oppposite Signs, because the Opposites have similar characteristics, but they arrive at more of an Opposite place.

The Antiscion explains that little time portal. The Antiscion IS a black hole time portal! Like the link demonstrates, you get there by folding the Wheel! And that's what time travel is ... a fold in time!

Too cool ...

I liked this little brief excerpt from that link you provided :::

"In this way, the Antiscion Signs are as follows:

Gemini/Cancer
Leo/Taurus
Virgo/Aries
Libra/Pisces
Scorpio/Aquarius
Sagittarius/Capricorn

To calculate the degrees and minutes of the Antiscion of a planet, subtract it from 30 and apply the result to the Antiscion sign. Thus if Jupiter is at 20 degrees 35 of Leo, subtract it from 30 giving a result of 9 degrees 25 minutes and find the Antiscion at 9 degrees 25 of Taurus. Here's a handy table. If you are looking for the Antiscion of 5 degrees 26 of any sign, look at the equivalent degrees and minute which is 25 degrees and 34 minutes. Easy peasy!

Antiscion should not be regarded as 'aspects' but when planets are in contact via the Antiscia, they describe a link whereby one planet mirrors the other. This could be in a both a positive or negative way. In horary work Antiscia describe circumstances. Generally, the Antiscion of a planet is considered to be a favourable point and the Contra-Antiscion as unfavourable but this is also subject to applied logic. Traditionally, Wm. Lilly suggests that a conjunction with a planet's Antiscion is a harmonious contact with that planet. A conjunction with a Contra-Antiscion of a planet, is inharmonious or harmful. For example if Jupiter is not a significator but is in conjunction with the Antiscion of a significator, it adds to the potential for a beneficial outcome. I will leave it to the student to decide whether this is worth adding into your synthesis. There is a case for using Antiscia in relationships or synastry and in my next life I might get time to research that! ...

(c) Linda Reid 2000"

(Source: (same as link above) www.panplanet.com/articles/antiscia.htm

posted January 27, 2006 04:01 PM              

glad you liked!

antiscia fascinate me. especially in synastry, where it seems to speak to strong, intense relationships. for sintance, john lennon & yoko ono, fred astaire & ginger rogers, frida kahlo & diego rivera -- they all had strong antiscia (or solstice) connections in synastry.

the signs that are antiscia to each other often relate so well, though it's not easy to explain or see why. i think they call it mirror degree synastry.

i found more for you:
http://www.jornal-astrologia.com/article_denlinger.htm

and here it is, i found the link where you can download that 20 some odd page paper i quoted from before!
http://www.darrelyngunzburg.com/articles.htm

i have more but im rushed for time right now, will check in monday with more info.

hope this helps.

posted January 27, 2006 04:04 PM              

When you get back, tell me how important it is in Synastry, to have the exact time of birth for each person. I'm speaking specifically for the purposes of the Antiscion. And how much power you give to the "mirror" simply by Sign, no matter the Degrees. Thanks. And thanks for add'l links, am going thru it now.

posted January 27, 2006 05:28 PM              

Man it's like reading my life so far

And I've got very active 8th and 11th House.

posted January 28, 2006 04:52 AM              

Don’t hit me

posted January 28, 2006 05:01 AM              

Both also have a huge amount of sang-froid, and are not afraid of getting their hands dirty. They can be very good at caring for others for that reason. It can go the other way as well, of course.

Also, both have a broad sense of humour, and are as strong as oxen (unless you find their weak points and keep them guessing in turn)