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sinderlou
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posted February 06, 2007 08:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok...Another cancer guy causing confusion...

As you know, we have been seeing each other for 7 months now. Before i ask you guys for your thoughts/advice, Here are the stats on this relationship...

*We have been intimate for the past 2 1/2 months.

*He tells me he is elated when he sees me.

*We are limited in our time spent because of distance and schedules so we only see each other once or twice a month.

*We talk to each other once a day.

*We go out to lunch or dinner and he has never paid for any dinners. we each pay our own.

*He tells me he misses me...when i ask.

Ok..I mentioned to him tonight that i got a call out of the blue from an ex fiance (Pisces) that i haven't seen in 10 years. He wants to go out to dinner and catch up on old times (don't know how he got my number) I said maybe, but thinking i wouldn't do this because i would not want to hurt my guys feelings.

I asked him about what his thoughts were about seeing other guys and he said " I already told a while back"

Well, " a while back" was when we only knew each other 2 months. at that time he said that he didn't mind if i saw other people. things have changed since then. we are intimate. That means something as far as I am concerned.

How can he say that he doesnt care if i see other men after we have been exclusive for 7 months? Is this me? Am I flaking out about this? Should I just see other people and continue to sleep with him? Do all cancer guys move this SLLLLOOOOWWWWW...I am freaked out over this.....

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thedividedsky
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posted February 06, 2007 08:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh man...more cancer guy stuff...I think we could all get together and write a book on "this type" of cancer male.......seriously!!!

Sinderlou.......I can't believe he's throwing you another curve ball......

After he said, you already know what I think about that.......did you say anything, did he say anything else?

I find it very hard to believe that he would want you to see other people at this point and not be jealous.

Do you really want to see this pisces? Or did you mention him only as a little "hey, see, here's another guy that's interested in me.....hint hint!!!"

I thought he kind of came around a little while back, am i confusing things?

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sinderlou
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posted February 06, 2007 09:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Things have been like heaven on earth. Fantastic. I just never questioned his thoughts on being exclusive to me or not.

I mentioned this man calling me because i tell him everything about my day. And that had me surprized because i dont' know how he got my cell phone number. i haven't seen or heard from him in 10 years. All i know about him is that people have told me that he still loves me and he has not been serious with anyone since we parted (He was a virgin when I met him)

This subject of being exclusive and seeing other people just sort of spiraled off of mentioning this guy calling me.

When he said that comment to me. I said "So you don't mind if I see other people" He said, "No, we already discussed this subject." I didn't say anything back after that. I was numb and literally speechless.

I feel like he doesn't care when push comes to shove.

If I am being used I think I will puke.

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taurean_scorpion
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posted February 06, 2007 10:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sinderlou, well if your guy isn't looking for anything serious, and you are, then you should think about moving on without him, whether you decide to see your ex or not or else you will end up being hurt. I mean, if it's okay that your guy isn't taking the relationship seriously, then whatever you do shouldn't matter. Make sure that "No, we already discussed this subject." was his honest answer...*He tells me he is elated when he sees me.* Him telling you that may have been an excuse to get 'intimacy'.

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artgirl
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posted February 07, 2007 12:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yup! i totally agree we really need a book on the cancer male species!! it would become a best seller if we all write our experinces in it and on how to deal with it..... lol
but the best thing INWL told me was about the cancer dance of one step forward , two steps back that was really helpful for me. and girl he cares but he won't come outright and say it, i would not go out with an ex since that would be opening doors you may not want to .

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sinderlou
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posted February 07, 2007 05:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I guess I just had it up to here with dancing the crab dance because I went out to dinner with my ex fish boyfriend that I have not seen in 10 years and we had a great time. Caught up on each other lives and we are two different people now that we were then. We just grew apart and had lots going on in our lives at the time we split which was on good terms.

I emailed my present crab (who told me that he could care less if I see anyone else besides him but at the same time tells me he is elated to see me and misses me) and told he I was going out.

I have not heard from him. I am meeting him today for a quick lunch and told him I look forward to seeing him because it "gives me Joy when he is Elated".

If he lays a finger on me, I will slam it in the car door so help me God. I am getting really tired of this crap.

Am I being impatient? Should I keep crab-dancing? I am starting to lose my step here.

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amberandmatt
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posted February 07, 2007 06:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a newbie here on the boards but I have to put in my 2 cents here.

If he said he didn't mind if you saw other people because it has been previously discussed- when things weren't so personal... It seems to me like yall aren't on the same page. And my pessimistic self of course I have to wonder with the distance and him not caring - maybe he's already doing that?

Either way, maybe have an honest talk with him about it and if you're not on the same page tell him you're gonna go read a new book That's what I'd do, anywho.

Good luck!

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sinderlou
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posted February 07, 2007 06:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Amberandmatt

Thanks for your advice. Coming to a sound decision is hard when you are thinking with your head and with your heart at the same time.

My heart wants more and feels something very deep here. My head is telling me to run for the hills!

He acts like he cares. I didn't come out and flatly say I loved him but I said that a part of me loves him and I asked if he felt that way too. He said yes.

Is he just telling me what I want to hear when we are close? Over the phone he said "We already discussed this." He was very curt and seemed aggitated.= when he made that comment.

Is 7 months too soon to be wanting to be exclusive to someone? Honestly, if I am pushing things here I will back off. Is this too much to ask? Maybe wait a year to see if there is more here?

I am starting to question everything. In my mind, we were exclusive. If he has seen anyone during this time I think I will most definitely puke.

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Peri
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posted February 07, 2007 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cancer DCS here.

He might not want to show you how much he cares or how vulnerable he is.

If someone I love asked me if he could go out to meet his ex I'd probably say: sure you can just make sure you won't come back

I bet he felt exactly the same you feel right now when you asked him this question.

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sinderlou
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posted February 07, 2007 06:40 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't say I wanted to see my ex. I asked if he cared if I saw other people. He said the comment "we already discussed this" That was 5 months ago that we were still new in the relationship.

I wanted to know how he felt about me. I want to know where I stand. I have told him repeatedly that i feel very close to him and that my nature is that I am one on one with a man once I have become intimate. He knows my standing. For him to say that he doesn't care, is breaking me up.

I went out to see my ex last night because if he doesn't care then I shouldn;t either. I am thinking, maybe he has gone out with on dates with other women here and there. We only see each other once or twice a week so he has other days in the week to do as he wishes.

I will not be made a fool of. At the same time, this is killing me. I need to know how he TRUELY feels. HE gets annoyed when I am direct with him.

QUESTION: What do I have to do to have an answer as to how to know how this man really feels?

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Peri
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posted February 07, 2007 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sinderlou, maybe you should try to talk to him once more, ask him what you ask here, tell him what you say here and if he is not open about his feelings, move on...

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Fluke
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posted February 07, 2007 06:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fluke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know, "We already discussed this" might be crab-talk for "I really don't want her to see other people, but I want to test her and see what she does, too se how commited she is to me!" And cancers just love to play the martyr, even if it's only for themselves..
If you ask me this testing is typical cancer behaviour, to act indifferent or even insisting on the very opposite of what they really feel.
With my cancer ASC I sometimes fall in to these patters myself..

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sinderlou
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posted February 07, 2007 07:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fluke

He is a Cancer Sun and Cancer Asc. What is the point of saying something that you don't mean? Why would you do that and take a chance of losing something you want? I can't imagine these head games for the rest of my life.

Is this just a temporary crab thing before a final committment or is this a lifetime crab thing? I might be able to make it through a temporary situation but a lifetime will tear me apart.

I like to be serious and I want to go deep with someone. Sidestepping and being dishonest will never allow that to happen. I would be in a constanted state of suspended aggravation.

QUESTION; Is This A Temporary Crab Like Type Of Behaviour?

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Fluke
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posted February 07, 2007 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fluke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, it's the reassurance thing I think, I sometimes just can't help myself, If someone asks me if I'm ok with something I simply smile and nod and act as if it doesn't bother me, even though I'm breaking apart inside, because I'm afraid they'll leave me if I object or cross them in any way.
This might be something we'll continue to do from time to time, just to be assured that our loved ones know us well enough to know our real feelings..
We tend to think that "even though I'm denying it, you should know me well enough to see through it!!"
We even do that with people we've barely met, thinking that somehow they're suppose to be able to read our minds.. It's quite annoying and painful for us as well, I'm aware of it and trying to be more open.

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sinderlou
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posted February 07, 2007 07:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fluke

I appreciate your personal point of view and your honesty regarding this. If this is how a typical cancer is then I shouldn't be so upset I guess.

Now I am wondering how he is feeling knowing that I did go out to meet my ex last night.

Will he act like he doesn't care? I will be seeing him today and am just wondering what I am in for. I hope he doesn't blow me off since it is a far drive.

Should I be direct and explain what you have explained to me? Should I say that I believe this is why you act this way? That you say one thing and mean this opposite?
Will this scare him even more? I feel like I have to act differently to get along with him. I want to be myself. I want to say how I feel.

I don't want to hurt him. i don't want to be hurt. I feel like putting your cards out on the table is the best thing. Would a crab be happier if I did the same thing?

QUESTIONS: IN order to be happy in this relationship, should i do the same thing? Say one thing and mean the opposite? Is this how we will be on the same page?

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Fluke
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posted February 07, 2007 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fluke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hehe, I think he might deny it if you say that you think he said it to test you.
And I don't think mirroring it would be any good, by you also saying the opposite of what you mean. We wouldn't understand
But I think I should pull out of this discussion now, I'm only a Cancer ASC, I'd like to back my assumptions with some testimonies from some "real" cancers, and I don't think my personal reaction patterns are very enlightening to your situation..

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sinderlou
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posted February 07, 2007 08:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have been enlightening Fluke. I do appreciate your input.

I just have to determine if I should be exclusive to this man or not.

Actions speak louder than words. I know how it is when we are together. It is wonderful. But i don't see him 5 to 6 days a week so I have no idea if he is getting any action.

When I am direct, he gets aggitated. It leaves me stuck in this weird state of limbo.

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kindjali
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posted February 07, 2007 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kindjali     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stop it with this "mother searcher" guys!

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solar_third
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posted February 07, 2007 08:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You and I are both double-Pisces, and this week Venus is casting her spell on us. Were I in your position (being female that is, but keeping Venus in Aries), I'd confess my feelings for truth and not worry about rejection. After all, we're so damn attractive right now, we can have anyone we want.

And I wouldn't wait 'til Valentine's Day for it, either - with Mercury going retrograde on the 13th, I'd imagine something would definitely get in the way.

My perspective, for what it's worth . . .

S_T

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sinderlou
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posted February 07, 2007 08:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Solar--

Its interesting you should say about the attraction thing for Pisces.

Not only did I have my ex call after 10 years but someone that I have known as strictly a friend has confided that they have liked me for years and asked me out yesterday as well. In addition, someone I work with has been asking me out for the past two weeks. This indeed has been an interesting few days.

The one I want tells me he could care less though I feel he feels something different.

I think I may take your advice and just be blunt about my feelings. I am tired. I want to be myself. i don't want to play little headgame dating games things. We aren't kids
there shouldn't be this thing where you say one thing and mean another. Say what you mean.

I dont; know if I am a typical Piscean or not but I HATE wasting my time on situations that are pointless. If there is nothing to take that is positive, I believe it is best to remove that negativity from your life.

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Neon Artemis
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posted February 07, 2007 09:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I were you, (and still even interested at this point) I'd stop the games period and go into more of a Capricorn state. (Cancer's polar opposite, more of the adult) Take him at his word, and dismiss the relationship, and go on and do your thing, girlfriend. (And I mean this in a serious way, don't do it simply to provoke a reaction with him, or see if he wants more, he will know you are doing that. You already have done that in the past with him by asking him if he didn't mind and then telling him again before you went out - it doesn't work, he manipulates and hides when you do this)

At this point, he knows you want more from him, and he feels he has the upper hand and will indulge it (Cancer males can be very immature when they feel vulnerable, and they scuttle away and hate directness.) If you keep playing this game, it's like giving a child the upper hand. Be the adult instead and he will have no power over you.

A lot of times with guys you have to be willing to walk away when they act up and treat you in a way you don't want, (and you have to be able to do this, without being attached to them responding - you have to be truly over it and ready to drop them, which is seems like you are there - that's the only way it works) or else they will keep indulging in the childish behavior. Telling them and explaining and asking what they feel and giving them chances doesn't really do a whole lot of good, you have to take *action* for them to understand. It's the way a lot of dudes are conditioned.

I'd stop calling him and talking to him regularly and do other things instead. I would do this for long time to break the pattern. he's going to want to hold on to it. But when you don't call or speak with him, He'll probably want to know what is going on and call you. You can also be pleasant but short when you finally do talk to him. Any kind of emotional reaction and he'll think he has you where he wants you again (again, you need more of a capricorn energy to balance immature cancer energy)

Once he realizes that when he plays these games with you that he risks losing you, he may stop doing it completely and reveal his true feelings because he is scared of losing you more than being vulnerable to you. If he keeps doing it he's not worth your time.

I recommend reading "Why Men Love Bitches". You might not even want this guy if he's so insecure that he cannot even be comfortable communicating his feelings to you and would rather leave you guessing. If you like directness or courage, or emotional honesty and integrity, don't date a cancerian man unless he's really evolved or done work on himself. LOL

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thedividedsky
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posted February 07, 2007 09:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
who needs him.......!!!!!!!

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Fluke
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posted February 07, 2007 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fluke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you know what sign his Venus is in...?

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sinderlou
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posted February 07, 2007 10:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fluke,

His Venus is in Gemini, His Mars is in Leo.

I will be meeting him in the next couple hours and whatever spills forth from my mouth will determine if i ever see this man again.

My sanity is at stake here, but unfortunately, i already know, I won't forget this guy.

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Fluke
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posted February 07, 2007 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fluke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, his Venus in Gem might actually mean that he's okay with you seeing other people. Depends on how strong the influence is compared to his sun, I think Just a thought, don't take my word for it

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