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darkdreamer
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posted August 26, 2008 08:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I looked at the important aspects between their charts. And seriously, the heat that must be generated between them is enough to provide a little country with energy!
If they should ever decide to move to SCandinavia, they surely won`t need any central heating (but maybe something to coold them down at times):


natal - natal (his planets first)

Sun square Sun
Sun square Moon
Sun square Venus
Sun opposite Karma

Moon square Sun
Moon square Moon
Moon square Venus
Moon opposite Karma

Venus square Sun
Venus square Moon
Venus square Venus
Venus trine Psyche
Venus trine IC (oh yes, they DO have some smooth aspects, too )

Mars trine Amor
Mars square Psyche
Mars trine AC

Saturn trine MC

Pluto sextile Mars and Karma

NN trine Saturn

Juno trine pluto
Juno trine Juno
Juno square Eros

Karma trine Psyche

Eros opposite Pluto
Eros opposite Juno

Psyche conjunct Sun
Psyche oposite MOon
Psyche conjunct Venus
Psyche trine AC
Psyche square Karma

Anteros conjunct IC
Anteros trine Psyche

DC trine Mars
AC square Juno
DC trine Karma

MC square Sun
MC square Moon
MC square Venus


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darkdreamer
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posted August 26, 2008 08:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you already feel the sparks? Well, wait until you see the Draco`s. There are the REAL sparks hidden, some kind of nuclear energy between them:

dr Sun conjunct Mars
dr Sun conjunct Valentine

Moon conjunct dr IC
dr MOon conjunct Mars

dr Venus conjunct Mars
dr Moon conjunct Karma
dr Venus conjunct Karma

dr Mars oposite drSun
dr Mars conjunct dr Moon
dr Mars opposite dr Venus

dr Saturn conjunct dr IC

Pluto opposite dr Karma
dr Pluto oppoiste Eros
dr Pluto opposite Anteros
dr Pluto conjunct dr Mars
dr Pluto conjunct dr VAlentine

SN conjunct dr Mars
SN conjunct dr Valentine
- surely they didn`t encounter each other for the first time in this life; and it seems they brought some of the fire from a previous life into this one

Chiron opposite dr Chiron
dr Chiron conjunct Psyche

Antivertex conjunct dr Pluto
Antivertex conjunct dr Juno
dr Antivertex conjunct dr Chiron

dr Karma conjunct dr MC

dr Valentine opposite der Eros
dr Valentine opposite dr Anteros

Amor conjunct dr IC

dr Amor conjunct Mars
dr Amor conjunct Valentine

dr Eros opposite Chiron

Psyche conjunct dr AC
dr Psyche conjunct dr Juno

Anteros conjunct dr Psyche

dr DC conjunct dr Eros and dr Anteros

dr MC conjunct dr IC
dr MC conjunct Mars and Karma

Phew, if I see those Pluto, Eros, Venus, Mars aspects, I wonder, if these two ever get out of bed.

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Lara
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posted August 26, 2008 09:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL
you beat me to it!!
I was slowly working my way through their huge wall of squares

Yes, they are so interesting.

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Lara
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posted August 26, 2008 10:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well l hate to be boring but l have just as good aspects with this guy i'm seeing, in the draco department.

Check this out!

His dr mars conjunct my dr venus EXACT
His N mars trine my dr venus EXACT
His dr venus conjunct my N venus EXACT
His dr venus conjunct my n Pluto (1)
His dr mars opposite my N eros EXACT
His dr Pluto conjunct my N psyche
His dr juno conjunct my N eros
His dr valentine conjunct my N mars
His dr mars opposite my N eros (0)
My dr amor conjunct his N valentine
His juno opposes my moon/venus/amor
His karma conjunct my juno/karma
His eros opposes my moon/venus/Saturn/NN/amor
His eros square my valentine

LOL
i'm actually typing this from my bed


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darkdreamer
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posted August 26, 2008 10:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lara,

you`re so booring! *yawning:

Just kidding.

Really, you have awesome aspects.

Mars / Venus
Venus / Venus
Venus / Pluto
Karma / juno
Eros / Venus
Eros / NN
Amor / Valentine

Those are the ones I really really loved.
That is so sexy.

But you said you are in bed. May I ask if you`re alone or do you have nice company?

And yes, I know that was an intrusive question, you don`t have to answer that one.

I`m feeling a bit shaky right now, as I just felt the impact of a Psyche-Psyche-conjunction I guess.
The thing is the guy I have this crush on (you know the singer) - no, I have to start at the other end.
Some time ago I had a dream of him, and he asked me what I would like to see him in. And I half jokingly (because he is a bit young) said I would like to see him as Count Krolock in Dance of the vampires (I LOVE my vampires ); for him I would even watch it again, even though I have seen it on new year (yes exactly on new years eve. lol).
But it was just a dream, a weird dream.

And today when I came to school, there was an advertising for the new production of Dance of the vampires, which will take place near to the place I live (only 1 hour away), and they were offering a bustour for some classes with teacher to see the musical.
This advertisement made me remember the musical, and I went to search for a cast list. It doesn`t exist yet. But you wjill never guess who is strongly rumoured to take over the role of the count, will you? LOL It would be so great, if he really had gotten that role! What a coincidence that would be! (WEll, he has at least been to the audition for this one; the decision is the producer`s).

But this is, just, wow.

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Lara
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posted August 26, 2008 10:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OMG That vampire dream and then the production leaflet is just INSANE!!!!
No wonder you are shakey.. l would be so freaked. Talk about synchronicity.

I'm not really in bed... and in natal synastry we have all of the above draco aspects plus that DW eros/psyche. I am having to breathe a lot and take it really slowly because it is just so sexy it's ridiculous. Not sure it makes for any stability though

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darkdreamer
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posted August 26, 2008 11:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who cares for stability, if she`s consumed by fire?

(Let`s care for stability later... much later).

Yes, it freaked me out big time, especially since last night I dreamed of the guy who had played Alfred in the version of Dance of the vampires I had seen, and I saw no particular reason why I should have been dreaming of him, as he doesn`t interest me even a little bit. lol


But I had a look at the more intense aspects with my crush, too:

his Moon conjunct my Sun
his Venus antiscia my Mars
his Mars trine my Venus
his Pluto square my Eros (0) (and his Eros exactly quinkunx my Pluto)
his Eros square my Mars
his Eros square my ASC
his Psyche ocnjunct my Psyche (0)
his Juno trine my Valentine (0)
his Valentine trine my Juno
- not really a juicy one, but I just adore that Valentine-Juno-dw, especially as it comes together with a Vertex-Valentine-dw.

his VAlentine conjunct my Anteros (0)
his Valentine trine my Eros
his Anteros square my Eros
his Anteros trine my Psyche


his dr Sun opposite my dr Pluto
his dr Sun conjunct my dr IC (0)
his dr Moon opposite my dr Pluto
his dr Moon conjunct my dr IC
his dr Venus opposite my Lilith (0)
his dr VEnus conjunct my dr Pluto
his dr Mars opposite my Pluto (0)
his dr Eros conjunct my Pluto
- my Pluto is a bit very much involved here, isn`t he?

his dr Eros conjunct my dr Karma (0)
his Eros conjunct my dr Anteros
his dr Amor opposite my Pluto

his dr Psyche opposite my dr Amor
his Juno opposite my dr Pluto
his dr VAlentine conjunct my Karma
his AC conjunct my dr Mars
his dr IC conjunct my dr Pluto

(Poor guy, it seems my Pluto is aspecting all of his Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Eros, Amor, Juno and IC; my Pluto is even antiscia his DSC ).

And as I mentioned my progressed Psyche is currently applying to an exact conjunction with his Eros.

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Lara
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posted August 26, 2008 11:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who cares for stability, if she`s consumed by fire?


I meant ME!!!!! lol

Your pluto is in danger of imploding all over him

Nice aspects though..
the pr psyche conjuncting his (natal) eros is truly magical DD

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darkdreamer
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posted August 26, 2008 11:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are also some aspects between Adonis and Venus / Aphrodite.

My dr Venus conjuncts his dr Vertex, dr Aphrodite and dr Saturn and opposes his Adonis.

As his and my Adonis are conjunct, my Adonis also opposes his dr Vertex, dr Aphrodite and dr Saturn.

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bvanzy
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posted August 26, 2008 11:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is draco astrology/aspects? I've googled it but there's nothing really on it.

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darkdreamer
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posted August 26, 2008 11:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Draconic chart is a NODAL chart.
You can do it on astro.com.
Just scroll down and choose the Draconic zodiac under options / zodiac.

The Draco chart relates to spiritual, karmic and soulmate-connections, as it is closely connected to the NOdes. I even read somewhere that the Draconic zodiac may have been the very first zodiac in use, even before our WEstern tropical was created.

You can see it even in a different light; the Nodes are the point where Sun and Moon come together and merge, and so the nodal or Draconic chart will reflect that polarity, too.

Interestingly in the Draco chart there are often very intense connections in synastry, even if you can`t see it in the tropical.

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posted August 26, 2008 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK...so you DID sign your class up for the bus tour, right???

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darkdreamer
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posted August 26, 2008 11:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope, it is in the middle of the week, and well maybe I`m going to ask my class.
Or I am going on my own.

Ah it`s not even sure he will actually GET the role. He`s quite some busy man right now. I guess Transit Saturn conjunct his Mars-Jupiter-conjunction in 6th house keeps him VERY busy professionally. not to mention that Transit Uranus on his ASC probably creates some chaos and havoc, and he doesn`t really know where his head is right now.
I really feel for him, it`s not an easy time to go through, as Transit Saturn also will be conjunct his own Saturn and therefore squaring his Sun and Moon and MC in some weeks / months. And Pluto just came back to conjunct his Moon. I really hope he takes care of himself.

I know how troublesome and weary SAturn can make you feel (Transit Saturn had been square my Mars and ASC and trine my Venus and currently he is squaring my NN and Neptune again - it`s such an OUCH aspect for me, gets me everytime- and when he is having his Saturn-Return I will be having Transit Saturn squaring my Sun and Mercury - so a bit of compassion for both of us please? )

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bvanzy
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posted August 26, 2008 12:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks darkdreamer, I'm having a look at that just now. It seems to have moved my planetary positions up approximately one sign.

I wonder why astro.com put a 'warning:draco - do not proceed unless you know what you're doing' message?!

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darkdreamer
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posted August 26, 2008 12:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They put that message, because it`s not the usual zodiac most astrologers are working with.

Is your nodal axis on Taurus / Scorpio or pisces / Virgo? That could be a reason for this. It means that your NN is about 30° away from 00° Aries.

The aspects will all stay the same in your draco, but look for conjunctions and oppositions from your Draco to your natal. That is very enlightening stuff!

Example:
My Draco Moon falls onto my tropical SN and DC - and yes relationships ARE important to me, and a field of learning experiences.

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bvanzy
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posted August 26, 2008 12:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nodal axis is Pisces/Virgo.

Well my Draco chart gives me a nice Jupiter/Moon conjunction between the two charts - which is nice since my natal Jupiter is also my chartruler.

Although it also makes my Draco Neptune conjunct my natal Ascendant.

I was initially disappointed with some of the synastry aspects it gave me, but actually it's very interesting as the dynamics from the natal charts alone were a little too similar/cosy/comfy, now they are rocking hard. Oh dear.

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posted August 26, 2008 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought Ashton Kutcher's birthtime wasn't known?

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darkdreamer
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posted August 26, 2008 03:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bvanzy,

the conjunctions and oppositions will be the most important aspects between Draco-Draco and Draco-natal.

And I have found some asteroids to be quite significant. And honestly, the Draco`s have never disappointed me yet. Not because they gave me what I WANTED to see, but because they described the dynamic between two persons very precisely (and they often startle me, too).

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darkdreamer
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posted August 26, 2008 03:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Amowls,

I used the one they gave on vegaattractions.
Of course it can be wrong, but it would makes sense since he has Neptune on his DSC, implying he is seeking some Neptune / Pisces in his partner, and Demi has a Pisces - ASC.

I can also see the Gemini-ASC in him, but hmm, of course that is no proof.

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bvanzy
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posted August 26, 2008 03:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
And honestly, the Draco`s have never disappointed me yet. Not because they gave me what I WANTED to see, but because they described the dynamic between two persons very precisely (and they often startle me, too).

I've only been looking at them for a couple of hours and I'm hooked. I agree by the way on what you say above about truth.

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posted August 26, 2008 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD, he might be a Cancer rising because my boyf looks a lot like him (he is a Pisces Sun, Leo Moon, Aqua Venus, Taurus Mars) and is a Cancer rising. No joke, every time we go out, complete strangers come up to him and say "WHOA you look EXACTLY like Ashton Kutcher."

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darkdreamer
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posted August 26, 2008 04:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, when I was on that site where you can look for the celebrities that resemble you most, I tried my whole family, and my brother had a high resemblance with Ashton, too.

My bro has Pisces Sun and Pisces ASC; Moon-Jupiter-Uranus-conjunction in Sagittarius; Venus-Mars-conjunction in Aries.

Funny though, my eldest friend (I Have known her for over 27 years now, since she was 3 years old) shares the birthday with AShton, day and year.
And her (and his) Sun-Moon-Venus conjunction fall onto my Moon. I always thought that was very intersting.

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posted August 26, 2008 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Holy Crap! Looking at their placements i'm suprised they don't intensely dislike each other! They have such aggressive aspects! You weren't kidding, they don't need any heating when they're on FIIIIIRRRREEE!

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darkdreamer
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posted August 26, 2008 05:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don`t think squares and oppositions necessarily lead to dislike.
Squares are not called the "passion" aspect for nothing.

ASpects relate to the intensity of the connection, but the connected planet actually decide over the quality of the connection.

Of course squares are still challenging. But seriously, would YOU prefer an easygoing boring trine-relationship?
Everything easy, breezy, noone to rescue or fight for.

I`m not saying I WISH for those square aspects, but they are not as bad as all seem to think.
Also, did you realize that Ashton`s Uranus, ruler of all his Aquarius-planets, is in Scorpio, the sign of her stellium?

Seriously, I think it was the conjunctions, oppositions and squares that created the most buzz for me in my infatuations and attractions.
As long as there is ALSO some common ground, the chemistry can be INSANE. Especially with the right planets involved.

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posted August 26, 2008 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know they generate passion and intensity, which OF COURSE i like. I mean, have you met me? Of course i like 'em.

But i've read so many times that Some serious issues of incompatibility can be found in aspects like Sun square Sun, Sun square Moon, Moon square Moon, Sun/Moon square Venus, Sun square Venus, Sun square Mars, etc.

So i was just bringing that subject up. But you disagree? You think that they are manageable and not that difficult? I'm just curious for your opinion..

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