posted March 04, 2008 05:02 AM            

Cain and Abel, well, there's our much quoted friend 'free will'.

posted March 04, 2008 10:31 AM              

(had problems posting my story - will be in II parts ;-)

Me and my sister were born 8 minutes apart and the main difference in our chart is Pluto in the 6th house for me and in the 7th for her.

I once posted a question here about the difference… but since I posted the question I think I have realized what where/are our differences… but there might be a lot more to see (I´m not an expert in astrology, but very enthusiastic )

I was thinking that Pluto in the 6th house might have had something to do with me always being sick when growing up, my sister never had the same problem as I did – I even had to go to the dentist more often than her. And when we were born I was so small that I had to stay for a long time in an incubator before I could go home – I almost died

We are very close and have always been, but there are some major differences also – but I wouldn´t say that we are like Kain and Abel… he, he, he… (but then we are Pisceans with Pisces ascendant – they don´t get ****** of with each other that often!)

Up to 3-4 years old we had spent almost every single second together, and we kind of closed out everybody else from our world and started talking in a strange language – but only with each other… a strange language that only we could understand - I don´t remember this myself though - but my parents were getting more and more worried about our state of mind so they took us to a doctor to find out what was “wrong” – the doctor explained that it is very common with twins that they develop a language of their own – with grammatics and all! And use this language to talk between each other. It is called Xenoglossi.

I have no memory of this language at all, but it´s funny. My parents sometimes listened when we were playing and they said it was weird because it was really as if we spoke in greek and the other one responded in the same language and it was as if we really understood each other.

posted March 04, 2008 10:38 AM              

When we were small my parents noticed that for one week it was me who was the boss and my sister was falling me around as a little slave ;-) and then suddenly it changed and she was the boss and I was the one following her around taking directives – I think this is the same even today. At times she is the stronger one who “leads” and the next month It is me – nothing planned or decided in advance – it just [i]feels[I]right.

As we got older we kind of got a bit fed up with never being seen as 2 personalites – everybody mentioned us as “the twins” while we acctually are two different individuals who are sisters and look very alike.

In our teenage years she was the wild child who was out partying all the time, changing boyfriends every other week and I was home reading books, studying and got good grades… - what a nerd I was! He, he, he…

Then it changed… she got back to school and studied hard and became really good in what ever she studied (she was smart, but very lazy) and then it was my turn to become a bit more laid back – we did pretty much the same things, but our times of deep concentration and studies were never in sync ;-).

She used to be the tough one, the one who was the leader and dared to do stuff – now she is happiest if she can be at home with her boyfriend and work on their house. And now I am the one being active and challenging myself in running marathons and other sports. Wouldn´t surprise me if she takes up marathon running when I have decided to run my last one!

I often wonder… because of Pluto being in her 7th … what makes the difference?… I mean we both have Uranus there and for me… all the “darn” descriptions of how Uranus can manifest itself there have come true. I usually “suddenly” end up in relationships that just as “suddenly” ends with a crushed heart and bruised ego – while she has been going steady with her man for 20 years now!

Ok, there was a little crisis once, but it was just a small one in comparison to mine, so I don´t think Uranus had something to do with it ;-) – does Pluto in her 7th house “weaken” Uranus capabilities?

We both have Moon, Jupiter and Uranus in the 7th house Libra, she has Pluto there in Virgo, me Pluto in Virgo is in the 6th house.
I do seem to have a few more oppositions to the Asc – Jupiter and Uranus that she doesn´t have (that might be the reason for my downfalls into the spinster´s pit *lol*)

We both have Saturn conjunct Venus in Aires in the 1st house – she has Saturn trine Midheaven which I don´t have.
We both have Sun (Pisces) and Mercury (Aquarius) in the 12th house Aquarius.

Our Mars (Sag) and Neptune (Scorp) is in 8th house Scorpio – and yes – we both are very interested in the occult, although I have a Neptune square Mercury which she doesn´t have – and she never was into studies of the occult, although very interested to hear the stories I can tell her about my experiences - she is even scared s***tless when watching Most Haunted Live and I could watch anything and still sleep with the lights off… but that might be because I´m more used to watching Most Haunted Live than she is ;-).

Another major difference - she can paint and draw like an artist... I´m not that good

However – it is great to have a twin, I wish everybody could have one . Even if we have been known to fight like cats and dogs when growing up and still can be a bit grompy with each other at times… she really feels like a part of me and even if I´m on my own I never feel lonely.

posted March 04, 2008 10:52 AM            

Cosmobiologists and Uranian Astrologers use midpoints, and they use no more than 1 degree orb for midpoints....extend to 1 1/2 degrees if Sun,Moon,Ascendant and Midheaven are involved

definitions of Midheaven by Uranian Astrologer, Ruth Brummond
MC : Midheaven : PSY: The individual's personal awareness or consciousness.
MANIFESTATIONS : The spirit. The psyche. Consciousness. The Ego. That which is "me" or "mine". The individual. Inner character. Inner nature. Life goals or aspirations. The conscious mind. The moment. The minute. The character of a city [in locational astrology].

9 minutes of time difference equates to about 2'07 difference between the Midheavens

posted March 04, 2008 09:35 PM              

@Glaucus- you seem very knowledgeable from ur post, care to glance at their charts & tell me more? I would appreciate another opinion from you & any one else that cares to give it. In all honesty I have never really analyzed his brothers chart, maybe I'll start 2night.

Thanks in advance - Bushidogrl

posted March 05, 2008 11:20 AM            

I could check out the charts in a Cosmobiological way, and give you interpretations for midpoint aspects involving the Midheaven. The chances are 100 percent that they have different midpoint configurations involving the Midheaven.

Please give me their birthdata.

posted March 05, 2008 05:35 PM              

Thank you so much! Here is their birth information as follows..

B
3/11/1983
2:15pm
Meadville, PA

A
3/11/1983
2:24pm
Meadville, PA

posted March 06, 2008 05:29 AM              

We are not identical,and we are very diferent from each other,both pshysicall and psychologicaly.

As far as i know,she has a Virgo ASC and Virgo Sun and i have Virgo Sun with Libra ASC - I THINK that might be the major diference in our charts that makes us so different - people usually doenst believe that we are Twins, and even in College our Professors didnt believed it either,and still today,they think we were joking with them

Some placements of planets change too,thats also a bit part that makes us not being identical either.

posted March 06, 2008 09:20 AM              

"It is said that one Twin is always the protective one,the stronger and the one who has more determination - who is that one!"

I wonder if the protective side isn´t something that is "triggered" from outside circumstances and depends on who is in need of protection at that moment - at least I find it to be like that with me and my twin.

Hi! Bushidogrl

reg. "bad" twin, he has a serious drug addiction

I think when drugs and serious addictions are involved everyone gets bad and anyone, no matter how good hearted, can turn to a "bad" person when drugs are on the agenda.

It sounds very sad about your bf:s twin - but maybe if they were close once there is still hope that the same guy he used to be turns up if he quits the drugs.

I can see that we are very influenced by those around us. My twin sister and I went to separate high schools(now we even live in different countries!) and we made our "own lives" with our own new friends.

Ok, our friends aren´t criminals or drug addicts, but they sure are different and they have made an impact on our opinions and views on life in general.

Astrology might give us the basic charachters and the tendencies to become a certain way, but I think that we are very, very much influenced by those around us, family, friends, teachers or even the grompy post man we are faced with every morning ;-)...

Everybody we meet, especially those we look up to and are inspired by, but also those who are obstacles in our lives... every little individual or event will have an impact in one way or the other.

I do hope your bf gets his twin back one day!

posted March 06, 2008 01:59 PM            

The Intepretations are from Ruth Brummond's Rulebook of Planetary Pictures.
The interpretations include both negative and positive interpretations of both psychological nature and events.........please keep in mind that these are possibilities that fit in with the planetary symbolisms. Therefore,not all of them will apply to them.

The list of midpoints that B has that A doesn't have:

B:
Direct Midpoints:
Sun conjunct Moon/Venus - 1'25
SU.MO.VE.
+ warm-hearted. mellow. gentle. giving. capable of being loving. even-tempered. harmonious. enthusiastic. peace-loving. friendly. agreeable. people-oriented. aesthetically conscious. interested in art. complementary.
Body and soul in harmony. Love between man and wife. Man's congeniality with woman. Woman's affection for man. Harmonious partnership. To experience mutual pleasure. Mutual compatibility. Emotional complementation of a man. Daily and hourly devotion.

Asc oppose Mercury/Neptune - '01
AS.ME.NE.
+ intuitive. highly imaginative. daydreams. thinks abstractly. quick to figure things out. empathic. tacit; discreet. private; drawn to obscurities. socially withdrawn. interested in metaphysical factors.
Talk about secrets in the environment. Discussion of others' losses. News about deceit at the location.
- deluded. secretive. unreliable. hypocritical; insincere. illusory. babbles. unclear; ambiguous. difficult to contact.
Confusing ideas of the partner. To refuse to communicate. Thoughts of dissolution of a partnership. Uncertainty or ambiguity in communications.

Jupiter oppose Asc/MC - '39
MC.AS.JU.
+ even-tempered. happy. friendly. inwardly contented. tactful. open. sincere. well-intentioned. enjoys contact with others. people-oriented. fair.
My happiness or good luck with or due to others. Harmonious association with many. Successful partnership. Profits and gains. Others give one good luck. Happy community. Wealthy locale. Fruitful region.
- philistine. calculating. materialistic.

Jupiter oppose Asc/Eris - '19
Uranus oppose Asc/Eris - '04
MC conjunct Venus/Eris - 1'05
Eris oppose Neptune/Asc - 1'18

Indirect Midpoints:
Neptune semisquare Jupiter/MC - '36
MC.JU.NE.
+ intuitive. has reliable hunches. hopeful. confident. highly imaginative. daydreams. worry-free. enjoys speculating. future-oriented. interested in metaphysical factors.
To gain money easily.
- deluded. indifferent. irresponsible. extravagant. prone to gamble. unrealistic. unfair.
Financial loss. False image of wealth. Imaginary luck. Disappointing earnings. Dwindling of one's resources. To experience unfairness or injustice. Speculator.

Mars semisquare Sun/Asc - '41
AS.SU.MA.
+ strong-willed. industrious. energetic. active. hardworking. goal-oriented. ready for action. resolute. handy. athletic. assertive.
Physical activity involving others. To work with others. To undertake something cooperatively. To initiate a relationship with a man. Active men in the immediate environs. To accomplish something significant in one's work. Days full of activity. Start of a partnership this year.
- impulsive. hectic. inconsiderate. aggressive.

MC semisquare Sun/Moon - '13
MC.SU.MO.
+ warm-hearted. nurturing. caring. kind. benevolent. strong animus in woman. strong anima in man. giving. cozy. introspective. receptive. in harmony with body, soul, and spirit.
My wife or husband. Personal relationship to the partner. How I stand in public. The glandular system. On the day, in the hour, at the minute. Spirit, mind, and body in harmony.
- indifferent. moody. fatalistic.

Jupiter semisquare Saturn/MC - '51
MC.JU.SA.
+ mature. ripe. patient. humble. modest. moderate. pragmatic.
Enduring good luck. To endure difficulties successfully. Good luck due to a separation or departure. Conditional success. To weigh the positive and the negative. To finally be rid of a burden.
- pedantic. ambivalent. covetous. miserly. impermanent. vacillating. restricted. limited. touchy. unfair. poor at handling money.
Separation from fortune. Conditional problems. My financial problems. Difficulties with the law. In the process of maturation. Beware financial irresponsibility.

Mercury square Asc/Eris - 1'24

The list of midpoint configurations that A has that B doesn't have:

A:
Direct Midpoints:
Sun conjunct Moon/MC - 1'05 (same planetary configuration like his twin,but a different aspect and his twin's is indirect)
MC.SU.MO.
+ warm-hearted. nurturing. caring. kind. benevolent. strong animus in woman. strong anima in man. giving. cozy. introspective. receptive. in harmony with body, soul, and spirit.
My wife or husband. Personal relationship to the partner. How I stand in public. The glandular system. On the day, in the hour, at the minute. Spirit, mind, and body in harmony.
- indifferent. moody. fatalistic.

Sun oppose Saturn/Asc - 1'09
AS.SU.SA.
+ focused. reliable. duty-conscious. solemn. retrospective; interested in historical factors. reserved. self-restrained. socially withdrawn.
To deal with others' persistence. Older or mature persons in the environs. To distance oneself. To be alone. To deal with others' problems. Separation from the locality.
- shy. distant. difficult to contact. shunned. boring. dull. indifferent. hard. disputatious. misunderstood.
Slow personal development. To go one's own way alone. Difficulties in or due to the environs. Problems due to a man. Problematic living conditions. Difficult day. Problematic years.

Uranus oppose Mars/Asc - '50
AS.MA.UR.
+ high-spirited. progressive. energetic. active. handy. strong-willed. works quickly. capricious. progressive. technically inclined.
Others' surprising actions. Event in cooperative work. Adventure with a partner. To suddenly initiate a partnership. Others get excited about work. To contribute to the renewal of a place. Progressive activities at the location.
- impulsive. precipitate. stressful. lacking in self-control. hot-tempered. restless. tense. ruthless. forceful; sometimes violent. rebellious. accident-prone.
Tension in a workteam. To contribute of stress in the environs. To create unrest. To be injured.

Jupiter oppose Asc/Eris

Indirect Midpoints:
MC square Mars/Saturn - 1'12
MC.MA.SA.
+ conscientious. works systematically. proceeds methodically. focused; capable of concentration. steadfast. disciplined. deliberate about decisions. capable of hard or difficult work. practical. retrospective; interested in historical factors. tough. pragmatic.
My perseverance at work. Enduring work or activity. To interrupt a job. Sporadic work. To withdraw or retire. To make efforts to separate.
- lagging. sluggish. indecisive. contrary. stuck in the past. worrisome. unenergetic. of low vitality. hard. rigid. disputatious. sometimes suicidal.
Lack of resolution. Self created problems. Difficulties on the job. To retreat. One's own death.

Pluto sesquiquadrate Asc/MC - '50
MC.AS.PL.
+ skilled at developing. adapts. capable at transforming. converts readily. highly perceptive. spontaneous. enjoys contact with others. people-oriented. changes things. Personal changes in relation to the environs. My readjustments in relation to the partner. Changes in personal relationships. Professional environmental developments. New profession. Metamorphosis due to interaction. A transformation here and now. Change of location for me.
- not always trustworthy. impermanent. unstable. [exploitive or abusive when unevolved.]
Fluctuating relationship with each other.

Pluto sesquiquadrate Venus/Asc - 1'08
AS.VE.PL.
+ enjoys contact with others; sociable. lovable. friendly. charming. highly attractive. congenial. peace-loving. accommodating. conciliatory. affectionate. sensual. capable of being loving. intermediary. adapts. change-prone. capable at artistic development.
Enjoyable environmental transformation. Development of affection in a partnership. Transformation due to love. Pleasant changes in the environs. Enjoyment of a readjustment at the location. Desire for a change of location. Beautification of the environs. Artistic reformation. Artistic development at the location.
- indecisive. vacillates.
Vacillation in love relations.

They had some Midheaven,Ascendant midpoint configurations in common, and the difference was that one had them separating and the other had them applying.

Their Ascendants are apart by 1'46
Their Midheavens are apart by 2'25

In Cosmobiology, that's a big difference because the maximum orb for midpoint configurations is 1'30.

I didn't interpret their Eris midpoints because Eris recently discovered

(Eris is recently discovered........to me, it seems like it has to do with controversy,ideology,diversity,divergence,considerate/inconsiderate of viewpoints/opinions/beliefs/values,bigotry,terrorism, redefining boundaries)......Honestly, I think that it not only fits with any belief system but also even Astrology.........I even think that Eris might even be a co-ruler of Astrology
even its discoverer, Dr. Michael Brown said
“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Brown said. “It really is just perfect.” ) http://www-tech.mit.edu/V126/N38/38shorts2.html

posted March 07, 2008 04:22 AM              

I also read the link that you posted...very interesting! I don't quite understand my fascination with this, but then again I have never came across identical twins. I also understand that people are influenced by those around them, and that there is such a thing as free will in the choices you make as an individual. I also understand the typical belief system that most people, parents, and family have on twins. I only want to understand this more & you have broadened my mind and helped me in my quest for information. Thank you for letting me pick your brain! Looking forward to many more conversations with you!

posted March 07, 2008 10:38 AM              

You said: “The whole family had high hopes for him, but now everyone is just extremely disappointed in him. I really don't expect him to ever change & neither does his brother ”

Hey… Maybe this is just it?

Being a twin is very much about how others perceive you – you can feel that you are 2 different individuals but others see you as one “item” and also expects that you should do the same on any level in life.

Some twins like this – they even wear the same clothes when they are 35 and want to be and look exactly the same, in some cases they marry other twin couples (jaysus... how sad and boring!! )

Whether you want it or not you are constantly being compared in the eyes of others and if you are the looser and also very vulnerable this can be devastating. Of course this can be on different levels and in different areas of life thus more or less important. But I wouldn´t be surprised if it even could be as extreme as one feeling hurt enough to choose a totally different direction In life… like drugs.

My twin sister and I were very alike, but she was slightly bigger than me (only slightly), but just because there was this tiny difference in weight people ALWAYS commented on this. “ah, but you are a bit heavier than she is” they said. She wasn´t big, huge or fat, but listening to people commenting on it day in and day out year after year… of course it hurt and of course she had a picture of herself being a giant beside me. It also lead her to developing eating disorder for a period in her life, she is fine now and super fit and super healthy in a very good way, but still – I´m sure it was the comparison people made between us that triggered it.

It´s always on different levels; there were a lot of areas that I felt inferior and it was due to the expectations of others around us. Now, we are both old enough to handle it and be happy for each other instead of competing, but if anyone of us had turned to drugs, who knows…

I´m not saying I know this is the problem with you bf:s twin – it´s more an observation from a twin-experience point of view, but do have this in mind, because I do think it could have something to do with why one twin chooses the other direction.