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posted January 12, 2006 09:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Was reading that if you have a Natal Venus in Retrograde, it makes one a little detached in love, like they never really feel they connect, and that's the challenge. So now that we have this Transiting Retrograde Venus, how would that affect that Natal person? And I'm only speaking in a general way here, without going into the actual Aspects between the Transit and the Natal.

Does the Natal person feel more relaxed? Does it help, or challenge even more?

Thanks.

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posted January 17, 2006 04:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 17, 2006 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AJ ... I have venus retro in a 7th house stellium... Retro periods are hard on me...
I've always got tons going on in my relationships anyway... and i've found that these weeks are a time to take a close look at it all but not actually do anything until we are goin forward... I often feel sorry for myself and know that i will not come across as planned if i start barking about it now. And yes, its hard to connect, and i often hold back...

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posted January 17, 2006 07:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stargazer -

THANK you for sharing that. Do you find that when you feel sorry for yourself, it's because you question your worth or ability to BE loved? Or to LOVE? Or both?

And how do you stay in a relationship and hold back at the same time. Like, what actually happens?

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posted January 18, 2006 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aj... i just don't think i've found the right one.... Somehow, i become almost like an addiction.... i become the one thing they can't do without... then they get all possesive and jealous and try to change what endeared them to me in the first place.
I have no problem attracting men... i am super cautious about who i share myself with. No one nighters and the like...I need to develope a trust in order to open up...emtionally or sexually....only a few have took the time to really get to know me...you know the one under the veneer.. the one who is afaid of getting my heart torn out. I feel sorry for myself because no matter what i do it's never good enough...I ended a longggggg relationship a couple months ago.... i stayed way too long. it ended up causing more damage than if i had given up sooner... and there it is... i don't put myself first.. so i am open to manipulation... my mission is to somehow make my own way instead of following... very hard..since others mean so much (loaded 7th house) and SN in Libra.
I need to find an equal... someone already self-realized... not someone who just needs fixing in someway and then discards me.....
I need to tear down alot of walls... and find someone who accepts me as i am... faults and all... not too much to ask?
Retro venus gives me PLOM disease (poor little ole me).... Hope that helps!?

sun merc venus uranus pluto/ virgo
moon/ aries
jupiter/ leo
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mars neptune/Scorpio

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posted January 18, 2006 02:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK - thanks again. Remember you are not the only one who hasn't found "the one". Look at how many relationships you know of that qualifies as "successful". We are all evolving, our generation one of the first to have the luxury of self discovery. We don't know what we're doing. Things are changing so fast, and we have trouble finding an identity because we want permanence.

Look at the beautiful people you think have it all, and they have their challenges too. Some pull off an act for so long, no one realizes the relationship was laced with conflict and confusion.

There's really no going back to like, the 50's, you know? We have embarked on this journey and we have to see it through. And even then, keeping in mind we'll never have all the answers.

I'm wondering what you will do when you DO finally meet someone who you feel completely accepted and appreciated by. It's going to be so cool because you'll know they really invested their time and energy into getting to know you. I'm thinking there will be more than one person you'll feel this way with, no matter how difficult it may seem. I mean, like I said, you can have a couple married for 10 years, and you just assume that because it lasted that long that it has passed the test of time.

And then they divorce ...

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posted January 18, 2006 02:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Was reading that if you have a Natal Venus in Retrograde, it makes one a little detached in love, like they never really feel they connect, and that's the challenge."

That's interesting. It would explain a few things in my case, but, so would the fact that my Venus is in Scorpio & Conjunct Uranus, or the fact that Saturn is in the 8th. I read one interpretation that said "Retrograde Venus likes to give his lovers the acid test," as in, "Will you still love me if I do... this!?" That kind of made sense. I dont know, I dont have a ton of relationship experience to back up anyone's theories.

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posted January 18, 2006 03:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
H--SC -

Great interpretation!

Here it is! :::


"Retrograde Venus: has unique ideas regarding pleasure, beauty & love, & less concern for the social amenities. They tend to put those they love to the acid test: “If I do x & y, will you still love me?” Can lead to some form of antisocial behavior. They may seek unconventional women."


(Source: http://north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/retrogrades

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posted January 18, 2006 03:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And also ...

Do you think, based on that interpretation, that the "acid test" is meant to eventually push the partner away completely? How often do you think it actually works out if the partner is put through so many tests? You know what I mean? Interested in knowing your perspective on that.

Thanks.

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posted January 18, 2006 04:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Honestly, who knows, if its meant to push the person away.
Other interpretations make much of the insecurity of the Venus-retrograde person.
It could be that, while unable to truly love and respect ourselves,
we cannot love and respect anyone who loves and respects us.
However the person tries to prove their love,
it may never be enough.
We simply lack self-love,
and, so long as we lack self-love,
we will refuse to accept love from another.
Indeed, we MUST refuse it, as a matter of principle,
since our sense of values is so largely internalized.

Perhaps, the trick is not to profess your love all the more emphatically,
but, rather, to convince us of why we are indeed deserving of it.

As for "unique ideas regarding pleasure, beauty, and love"...

"As long as your desire is pleasure,
and you cherish your desire,
carry on playing like a child, -
You are not man enough for this." - Hakim Sanai

"The beautiful is a stain on the sublime." - Me

"My friends, how desperately do we need to be loved and to love. When Christ said that man does not live by bread alone, he spoke of a hunger. This hunger was not the hunger of the body. It was not the hunger for bread. He spoke of a hunger that begins deep down in the very depths of our being. He spoke of a need as vital as breath. He spoke of our hunger for love.
Love is something you and i must have. We must have it because our spirit feeds upon it. We must have it because without it we become weak and faint. Without love our self-esteem weakens. Without it our courage fails. Without love we can no longer look out confidently at the world. We turn inward and begin to feed upon our own personalities, and little by little we destroy ourselves.
With it we are creative. With it we march tirelessly. With it, and with it alone, we are able to sacrifice for others."

- Chief Dan George



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posted January 18, 2006 04:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"He who despises himself, still respects himself as one who despises."

- Friedrich Nietzsche

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posted January 19, 2006 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks aj... you all have struck alot of cords... It is the insecurity.... and coupled with my strong virgo need to be needed i can easily find myself being manipulated... i believe with all my heart that there are those someone's that will not take advantage of this trait but rather help me balance my need to give with my need for self-sufficient space. That will be cool. To be pulling off the act of something real for so long has been very draining in every way... It's very scary being on my own for the first time...and i'm kinda late too...lol . But it has to be done in order for me to work on myself... love myself fully, sweep myself off my feet so to speak...

Thanks alot !! for your posts.. Although venus retro is .. let's face it.. awful... reading what you've said has been an inspiration!! and... just what i needed

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posted December 26, 2013 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Abc333     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have natal venus retrograde and I seem to do well during retrograde periods. I feel a bit more confident and enthusiastic in regards to my relationships. When venus first went retrograde I felt happy and I still do. It's like this overwhelming swelling feeling in my chest.

From my understanding,when a planet is retrograde, the planetary energy is expressed inwardly as opposed to outwardly/ directly. It's a time of reevaluation and redoing things.

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