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Purpleflame
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posted April 03, 2003 08:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, thanks to the Arabic calculators around the web, I had some fun putting in my data and found out that my Part of Marriage is in my 7th house. Is this where everyone's is?
Also, in a synastry reading, it seems that if the 'significant other' has his Venus in your 7th house, that is good. What does it mean if it is on your Part of Marriage (within a 1 degree orb.) I thought this rather fascinating and wondered if anyone else had some input into this. So, his Venus is conjunct my 7th house cusp and my Part of Marriage is conjunct his Venus in my 7th.
thanks, Love Flame

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Kat
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posted April 05, 2003 10:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Flame,
On another topic I mentioned I just started reading a book and yes Part of Marriage is an indicator to When you'll marry. Everyone's Part of Marriage is different, as I recall the formula is ascendant plus decendant minus venus. What was the website that you used? Personally all this math makes my head spin.

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Purpleflame
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posted April 05, 2003 03:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Kat, Hmmm. How does the Part of Marriage indicate WHEN? How did the book say it as to if your Part of Marriage is Cancer 3, then do you marry at the Sun time as in the second half of June? Could you take a minute and print what it says about this Part of marriage. It is difficult to find info on it.
The website that I use to determine the Arabic Parts is noendpress.com
It works out the degrees for you.. I simply do not have the time to do them manually.Enjoy it, it helps.
I am enjoying your responses, Kat. Love Flame

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Kat
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posted April 19, 2003 02:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Flame,
sorry I've take so long. Here's abbreviated summary of what the book When will you marry by Rose Murray says:
Part of Marriage (P/M) indicates the type of marriage you will have by the aspects it makes to another's planet. A man with P/M conjuct neptune(secrecy) in 4th house was secretly married and could not tell his family.

Then it mentions the P/M is frequently a timer that indicates when marriage will take place, but then the author ends the paragraph.??? Here's the next Parag.: Your P/M will most often be conjunct with your mate's Sun, moon, ascendant, decendant, MC or IC(fouth house cusp) She has frequently found the P/M conjoin a partner's Saturn as well as other planets. You will also find some interesting conj. of this part with the mate's Parts of Fortune, Fascination, or Karma. None of the connections between P/M and another's chart placements guarantees a lasting union. Some divorce while others are life-long.

A connect. of P/M with another's chart triggers a strong impulse to marry even though the marriage does not make sense to outside observers --age differences, different types, etc. She used celebrity examples who had planets conjunct their P/M and told why it did not last long. Then she mentioned how Paul Newman's P/M is conjunct Joanne woodward's Descendant and her PofM is conjunct his Descendant.

The author mentioned that in her research of conjunctions of the Part of Marriage to the angles of the chart - Ascendant, Descendant, Midheaven, or IC were most often seen. Next in frequency were aspects to other's suns. However, aspects to the other's Saturn were surprisingly strong. Another type of conjunction whe found in long-lasting happy unions was Part of Marrige conjuct the mate's fifth hous cusp.

She goes on to explain another important link---that one's Part of Fascination and the other's Sun, Moon or other important planet can indicate when marriage takes place. (I think she uses "when" not in a timely "this is the date that it will happen" sense but in a sense that it will occur.) She then offers a section on Part of Karma. It is not found in signif. conj. to a mate's planets or points as frequently as the Arabic Parts mentioned above. You need to check other karmic connections she discusses later.

The P/K is Ascendant plus Saturn minus the Sun. The most frequent karmic ties is the woman's P/K to her mate's sun. Also, connections between ones' P/K and mate's planet. Third most often seen is connection of P/K to a point in the other's chart - Midheaven, Vertex, south node...One special relationship is when both parts of karma are close to the same degree of the zodiac.

nodal indications are also a factor. Your south node sign and house indicated where you must give or sacrifice. The Duke of Windsor had SN Libra eigth house - gave up a kingdon to marry the woman he loved. she recommentd the book Lunar Nodes"New Concepts published by the Amer. Fed of Astrol. In Tempe, Arizona. She has seen conjuct. with SN and the other's moon, P/Fortune and Karma are the two noted most often. Of cusps - a person;s SN and the othr's IC.

Also a person's Vertex conjunct to Neptune, the sun, moon and venus is fated union. Other tests for karmic ties are moon conjuct other's IC Moon conjunct other IC ruler, ruler of one moon is conjunct the other IC ruler, and fourth- the ruler of one moon is conjunct the other IC.

Finally, she mentions that marriage time can be made by adding your age to the degree of the natal P/M. The year that it makes an imortant aspect to a love planet or 7th house ruler can be a marriage year - this does not work well in some charts.She mentions it works better from progressed and converse charts. Use your progresse and converse ascendants, descendants and places fo venus instead of the natal degrees.

There is more to this, but in order to not rewrite the book. I'll stop here and hope you enjoy studying what I've written above. the book's publisher is Llewellyn Publications 1996, St. Paul Minnesota. You might want to hunt it up if this stuff is of interest to you.

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Purpleflame
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posted April 19, 2003 09:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Kat, I really appreciate your time. I'll go and take a closer look with our charts. You are truly a sweetie to help out in this way. Love Flame

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Aphrodite
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posted May 06, 2003 06:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great stuff Kat.

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Mystic Gemini
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posted September 25, 2005 04:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*Bump

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geminstone
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posted September 25, 2005 06:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Mystic Gemini! This is interesting info...

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Kat
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posted October 01, 2005 03:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
God I wrote that a long time ago! How did you find it?

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AcousticGod
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posted October 01, 2005 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php

This is the site for his calculator, but what I don't understand is which one to use. There's:

* Marriage
* Marriage of woman 1 & 2
* Marriage of man 1 & 2

Which do you go by?

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AcousticGod
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posted October 01, 2005 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got two Taurus' and a Scorpio, and still no real idea what it means.

These parts are fun, though. For 'Lovers' it came up with Aquarius. I had a female Aquarius cut my hair yesterday. I wonder if she'd be game.

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Almost An Angel
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posted October 01, 2005 09:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The one probably represents the first marriage and the two the second (if any). I'd go by sign in the first calculation.

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Almost An Angel
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posted October 01, 2005 09:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is there a place on the net that shows where your Part of Marriage LANDS?... I'd like to know where mine is at in my chart.

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AcousticGod
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posted October 01, 2005 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is time associated with these parts? Like a part may indicate a sign, but does that sign also signify a time in your life, and how would you guage where you are at on that timeline?

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Mystic Gemini
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posted October 01, 2005 10:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Angel go to astro.com and click free charts, then click extended chart collection. Make sure you click natal chart of course.


And you will see a selection box. You can select it there.

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Gemini sun, Cancer rising, mercury in Gemini, moon in Taurus *29, venus in Taurus, mars in Libra

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Almost An Angel
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posted October 01, 2005 10:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They only show where your Part of Fortune is...

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proxieme
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posted October 01, 2005 11:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Odd...my Part of Marriage is @ my Sun Sign...22d Pisces.

(I still have no idea what that means.)

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Neptune's Muse
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posted October 02, 2005 04:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah it's all too confusing, what do you do with your Part of Marriage once you get it?!

I don't get the add your age to the part of marriage to know when you are getting married part! What if I read it when i am 18, then 23, then 26? What age is referred to?

Also, the fated unions part, Neptune, sun, moon or venus conjunct vertex. Interesting but is it fated for the PLANET person or the VERTEX person?! I mean it is sort of your neptune on my vertex making it a dreamy sort of union but what is my vertex doing to your neptune? lol It is the same for all aspects I guess, the Moon IC, who feels the fatedness more? Anyone...? Also, what is the difference between MOON and MOON RULER and IC and IC Ruler?

I like this thread!

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nelys
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posted October 20, 2008 12:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't been able to find any info on this, by my Part of Marriage is conjunct my boyfriend's Part of Marriage within 3 degrees in our synastry chart. Both Parts make no conjunction with other planets, although they do form aspects with them. Is this a positive indicator for marriage?

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Diandra23
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posted October 20, 2008 02:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nelys

i think it is

cause think of what are the odds of that?very tiny indeed and yet..you found someone whose P.O.M exact cj yours!

On my part i have my POM cj his Karma and his POM cj my Jup and Uranus.

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Lara
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posted October 20, 2008 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my POM is conjunct exact my mars in 10th house conjunct his pallas exact.
His POM is in his 2nd house conjunct exact his pluto. His POM is conjunct my chiron.

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posted February 05, 2011 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Can someone tell me what it means when my natal Part of Marriage conjuncts North Node 11° 1'36" in my 8th house Libra?

Is this a bad aspect to have since my Part of Marriage 8° 44' Libra is in my 8th house?

Need urgent clarification... Thanks a lot..

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posted February 09, 2011 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cynnared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have POM at 3 degrees Aries. I have Jupiter ruling my 7th and at 6 degrees sag.

Marriage is not in the cards for me at all.........

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rajji
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posted February 19, 2011 09:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the formulas may not be the exact ones.
This is what i found elsewhere.

we find that there are often multiple lists showing different parts with the same names.
That alone is confusing.

"The problem is that many astrologers today do not even use the parts. They were invented centuries ago, popularized by Arabic astrologers.....but not a lot of research has been done to test them in the modern world. Why? Because a large number of astrologers do not see them as logical, and also because there are so many other real bodies that can be put in a chart (Sun, Moon, Planets, Centaurs, Asteroids) that many astrologers see no need to add additional items to the chart that are not real bodies but only based on a mathematical formula."

"till, there 'may' be some truth to the parts. Astrologers, such as Robert Zoller of Project Hindsight, have been doing serious research on these parts.(Robert has probably the best book based on this research: The Arabic Parts in Astrology- A Lost Key to Prediction (Inner Traditions International, Ltd )).

Which part of marriage is significant (if, indeed, parts are
significant)? Even the experts like Robert Zoller and Robert Hand are not sure." Robert Hand lists the following:

Lot of Marriage, Men [Hermetic]
Day or Night Lot = Asc. + Ve - Sa

Lot of Marriage, Women [Hermetic]
Day or Night Lot = Asc. + Sa - Ve

Lot of Marriage, Men [Valens]
Day or Night Lot = Asc. + Ve - Su

Lot of Marriage, Women [Valens]
Day or Night Lot = Asc. + Ma - Mo

Lot of Marriage, General
Day Lot = Asc. + Ve - Ju
Night Lot = Asc. + Ju - Ve

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rajji
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posted February 19, 2011 09:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
However, the following paragraphs by Mr. Hand may shed some light on the subject:

"In Al-Biruni, an Arab era astrologer, the two lots attributed to Hermes are simply referred to as lots of marriage. But the other two lots, the one for men and the one for women, are given additional designations. The lot for the marriage of men using the Venus - Sun arc is called "Trickery and Deception of Men toward Women," and "Intercourse of Men." The lot for women that uses the Mars - Moon arc is called "Misconduct of Women," "Trickery and Deceit of Men by Women," "Intercourse of Women, " and "Unchastity of Women." Disregarding for a moment the obvious sexism in these designations, it is quite clear that the marital lots of Valens are not as specifically connected to marriage, but are more connected to sexual relationships in general. But the Hermetic lots, both of which contain Saturn, seem to have more of a connection specifically to legally sanctioned marriage. At this very early stage in my research this principle seems to be holding up, that the Hermetic lots relate to legal marriage, and the lots of Valens relate to male-female sexual relationships in general.

This leaves the general lot of marriage given by Valens that uses the arc from Jupiter to Venus and vice versa. It have little experience with this one thus far, but it too would seem to be connected to general relations between the sexes rather than specifically legal marriage. However, since Jupiter has a strong connection with the law, we cannot rule out this lot also as referring to legal marriage."

So in the end seems like there cannot be a conclusive answer.

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