posted December 02, 2006 02:19 PM         

for M (female)
born on 28 June 1985 local time 5:15 am
in Malabon, PHIL U.T. 21-15
120e57, 14n39 sid. time 23:42:29

Planetary positionsplanet sign degree motion
Sun Cancer 6°08'29 in house 1 direct
Moon Scorpio 3°57'51 in house 5 direct
Mercury Cancer 26°54'57 end of house 1 direct
Venus Taurus 21°05'12 in house 11 direct
Mars Cancer 12°12'56 in house 1 direct
Jupiter Aquarius 16°08'09 in house 8 retrograde
Saturn Scorpio 22°04'56 in house 5 retrograde
Uranus Sagittarius 15°08'52 in house 6 retrograde
Neptune Capricorn 2°07'48 in house 7 retrograde
Pluto Scorpio 1°58'57 in house 5 retrograde
True Node Taurus 17°09'23 in house 11 direct
Planets at the end of a house are interpreted in the next house.

House positions (Placidus)Ascendant Cancer 1°56'59
2nd House Cancer 27°20'11
3rd House Leo 24°30'30
Imum Coeli Virgo 25°13'43
5th House Libra 28°36'58
6th House Sagittarius 1°28'13
Descendant Capricorn 1°56'59
8th House Capricorn 27°20'11
9th House Aquarius 24°30'30
Medium Coeli Pisces 25°13'43
11th House Aries 28°36'58
12th House Gemini 1°28'13

for J (male)
born on 28 Feb 1976 local time 11:30 pm
in Phoenix, AZ (US) U.T. 06+30
112w04, 33n27 sid. time 09:34:34

Planetary positionsplanet sign degree motion
Sun Pisces 9°48'19 in house 4 direct
Moon Pisces 1°56'26 in house 4 direct
Mercury Aquarius 16°16'42 in house 3 direct
Venus Aquarius 11°47'20 in house 3 direct
Mars Gemini 22°41'50 in house 8 direct
Jupiter Aries 24°17'02 in house 6 direct
Saturn Cancer 26°42'30 in house 9 retrograde
Uranus Scorpio 6°59'29 in house 12 retrograde
Neptune Sagittarius 13°54'11 end of house 1 direct
Pluto Libra 11°08'48 in house 11 retrograde
True Node Scorpio 14°46'01 end of house 12 retrograde
Planets at the end of a house are interpreted in the next house.

posted December 02, 2006 02:38 PM         

You have Moon conj Pluto in Scorpio in 5th which indicates intense,transformational feelings in romance,and they can indicate that they can be obsessive-compulsive feelings which makes it hard for you to let go.

His Pluto contraparallels your Moon with 10 minutes of arc. That's like Pluto oppose Moon. It indicates that his intense,transformational nature is at odds with your emotional nature. This configuration can indicate obsessive-compulsive feelings between you two. As the Pluto,he can have the powerful influence over you. This can be a potentially emotionally abusive aspect.

His Pluto square your Mars with 1'04 orb. that indicates his intense,transformational nature is in friction with your actions,passions. As the Pluto,he can have the powerful influence over you. This can be potentially abusive,violent aspect.

posted December 02, 2006 03:14 PM         

speaking of karma

His Saturn is conjunct your Mercury with 12 minutes of arc. That indicates his structure,discilined nature mergers with your communications,thinking....this can indicate disciplined,stuctured communications between you. Communications can be serious......can be too serious. He could restrict,limit your communications.

Some astrologers say that Saturn is karmic planet. So his Saturn conjunct Mercury could indicate karmic issues involving communications.

However...problems with letting go can be a pluto/Scorpio thing.......that doesn't necessarily mean karmic.
also any relationship can be seen as karmic. I believe that we learn from all interactions with others. But relationships are more karmic with the high degree of interaction. I believe that we can teach others and learn from others from all people that we interact with.

In Noel Tyl psychological astrology, I read that quindecile(165 degree aspect) has to do with obsession,compulsion.

I looked to see if you have quindecile in synastry.

His Venus is in quindecile your Mercury with 5 minutes of arc.

His Uranus is quindecile your Venus with 54 minutes of arc.

You also have strong pluto stuff house wise

His Venus and Mercury are in your 8th house. 8th house is the house ruled by Pluto...it is the house shared resources,sex.

Your Sun and Mercury are in his 8th house.

This strong 8th house synastry reflects what you said how you are still connected because of joint finances.

Mercury 8th house
Mercury in the eighth house is a good comparative placement for two individuals engaged in business together, and it is also good for understanding the deeper needs and the unconscious motivations in a close relationship. It denotes understanding in both the material and in the emotional side of life. There may be mutual interests in psychic or occult issues; research of the unknown.

Sun 8th house
The placement of the Sun in eighth house of a partner's chart suggests that the basis of the relationship may have been his need for a fundamental change of some sort that you recognized and are/were able to assist him in making. The eighth house relates to joint financial affairs and security, and the relationship may feature a mutual need for security; either in a material or emotional sense. You may tend to be very critical of this partner, but this criticism would be constructively aimed at stimulating self-improvement and personal development. If other factors in the chart are favorable, there can be a sexual attraction shown by this placement since the eighth house is strongly associated with sex.

Venus 8th house
With Venus in the 8th house, feelings are apt to be very deep-rooted and the emotional reaction to each other in the relation will be very strong, for better or worse. This placement produces a very strong sexual attraction. This is not necessarily a guarantee of permanence, but rather a seductive allure and fascination that yields an especially significant physical combination.

Mars 8th house
Mars in partner's eighth house denotes a dynamic business, corporation or scientific relationship. You challenge each other to self-improvement and development. There is also often a sexual attraction shown by this placement.

"He's done me wrong and one of the reasons we keep in touch is because of lease agreements over our old apartment and other joint finances."

With that strong 8th house synastry, there is no wonder that lease agreements over your old apart and other joint finances are keeping you in touch.

posted December 02, 2006 03:49 PM         

The stuff that I showed you is not bad. I was only giving you the aspects that indicate you have problems cutting ties with them

I mean....damn.....if you have strong 8th house synastry and 8th house is about shared resources, then it's no wonder that you two have unresolved issues with joint finances.
I already explained that. It's not necessarily a karmic thing.

quindecile is a 165 degree aspect that's mainly about obsession,compulsion. I already explained that. It's used in Noel Tyl psychological astrology.

posted December 02, 2006 03:49 PM         

Most teaching on the subject of karmic relationships suggests that once the lesson has been learned in this lfetime, you can separate. (Doesnt mean you will not be reunited in the next lifetime though. YOu may still have lessons to teach one another)

posted December 02, 2006 03:54 PM         

I feel that people ask about synastry because they want to be told what they want to be told and not what is actually there.

posted December 02, 2006 04:17 PM         

Love is multifasceted and so are deep, profound connections.....

It is NEVER for nothing, and ALWAYS for something........

We find out what when it is time for us to know.......

Blessings and Peace

Terri

posted December 02, 2006 08:22 PM         

My Sun,Mercury,Venus are in my girlfriend's 8th house.

Her Sun,Mercury,and Mars are in my 8th house.

so we have a mutual Sun in 8th house placement and a mutual Mercury in 8th house placement.

She and I have very strong 8th house synastry,and that can indicate a very deep,intense,passionate,emotional,intimate connection as well as strong emphasis on shared resources,occult,psychology,sex

8th house and Scorpio are ruled by Pluto. 8th house is the Scorpio house.

posted December 02, 2006 10:14 PM         

8th house

Planets falling in my eighth house stimulate deep,often sexual and erotic,powerful feelings in me. If the planets are stressfully aspected, there may be a power struggle; and I may find my efforts to exert power and control over the other person disrupted or thwarted. This house in part represents my emotional search for values,which effort on my part can be helped or hindered by the other person. The eighth house also represent a test of my responsibility in the use of my power. Planets falling in this house can also have the effect of producing some type of spiritual awakening in me, as well as a powerful yearning for emotional peace and healing at a deep level.

posted December 03, 2006 09:57 AM         

When I first looked at this synastry I saw a lot of good stuff. There is no point having a relationship with somebody if there is no lesson to learn and I can see that with a strong Pluto, such as yours seveneightorange, it stands to reason that your first love would help you become aware of this. It doesn’t mean that it’s been bad or without great purpose though.

Another lesson which jumped out at me from your stats seveneightorange, is that of being too giving, to the extent of self-sacrifice. Giving is good of course it is but there can be a point at which it becomes detrimental. One must always honour the self in order to gain respect and good treatment and I sense that in this relationship you perhaps didn’t stand up for yourself in time. You have not yet discovered your true self worth and at 21 years old I would not expect you to have either, but until you do then it is not easy to be with another. The others you become close to at this stage in the journey will be those who help you find your true self. This is the true path of karma, all paths lead to the self.

Of course you loved him. His Sun-Moon in Pisces felt nurtured and supported by your Sun in Cancer and Scorpio Moon, you in turn felt appreciated and completed. Grand Trines formed between two people show a great affinity and comfort. Also your Jupiter conjunct his Venus-Mercury conjunction is lovely, so uplifting and accepting! I see some tension with the Venus & Mars harmonic – quincunx and semi-sextile can cause ‘communication’ barriers and misinterpretation but on the plus side when transited everything can ‘come together’. The tension can be frustrating but a simple trine can be boring, it depends what you need/choose.

You probably gave this guy more love than he could handle and then when he began to drift away you tried to cling on with dear life. It IS a lesson to learn to let go but it is also a lesson to learn to love and give your heart. You’re making great progress along your path, that Neptune on the Descendant will always have the tendency to be a little self-sacrificing and I must also warn you against taking on others in order to ‘fix’ or ‘heal’ them. Support is good but do keep in mind that we have to heal ourselves in this life, others cannot do it for us. If you wish to heal others, always start with the self.

posted December 03, 2006 10:36 AM         

I usually end up saying something to the effect of, date other people, or stop trying to find your soulmate in another country through the internet because it's not a good idea.

The 8th house is nurturing in a protective fierce way.

IN answer to the original post, joint finances are tricky but we get involved with others financially for help. Now that you have leaned a bit it's best to pull up and lean on someone else or stop leaning for a while to examine where you are. Leaning financially maybe a life issue for you and this relationship is teaching you about how to be self sufficient and get help from others in small positive ways.

It maybe best to get some sort of financial counseling or allow yourself to be helped by someone new, open yourself up more to new ideas. This could be a good time. Emotions run high with ex's but it's not healthy to combine emotions and finances.

posted December 03, 2006 01:53 PM         

Some say that can be an aspect that indicate paying dues in relationships due to some saying Saturn is the karmic planet and it opposing her Venus.

The main thing about Venus oppose Saturn is reality checks in relationships,love. The need to be practical,realistic,grounded,discipline in love and relationships.

That's a very important aspect in her chart.

I feel that she might have to work on her security,selfworth before she can get involved in another relationship.

Moon conj Pluto in Scorpio in 5th is a placement where it can be hard to let go of romantic partners due to its highly intense nature...it can be very possessive jealous. She has Venus in Taurus,and that can be possessive.....especially if her insecurities are aggravated.......the Saturn opposing.

also having easy aspects is no big deal in a relationship that doesn't work out...if anything it could prolong the pain of hanging onto the relationship when it's over. It's like the easy aspects can give hope and be optimistic and enthusiastic that you can end up ignoring the challenging stuff and the fact the relationship is over and can prevent you from moving on or can even decide to give the relationship another chance which could end up even more badly resulting in more hurt. Easy aspects can also be taken for granted....especially trines which can be laziness. Just as trines have little effort to mazimize potential,they can have little effort to minimize potential. Trines can be easily misused because they are so easy to use.

Every aspect has its good and bad manifestation. Even squares which can be weight resistance to help you build muscles of character. Having some challenging aspects is good because it tests your relationship and pushes your drive and to act.

Obviously, she's still hung up on her ex. Her responses show that. That can be a problem being so emotionally attached to her ex when the relationship is already over.

Also....the strong 8th house synastry is relevant. After all, 8th house is the house of joint finances.

I explained that having strong 8th house synastry is not necessarily bad...it can indicate a very profound,transformational,psychic relationship that change each other's lives in a good way.

However,it can be bad because in a bad relationship or a relationship that it's already over, it can be so obsessive,controlling that it can be so hard to let go. There can be resentments. In a broken marriage, it can be alimony. After all 8th house is partner's money...2nd house from 7th house. People can be really bitter from parting with their money and having to give to spouses. People can be very bitter about having to sell property and splitting the money with the ex spouse.

We are talking about a house ruled by Pluto and associated with the 8th sign,Scorpio.

I am just going to leave it at that.

I am not into sugarcoating.

I feel that her difficulty moving on for her is not necessarily the synastry,but her own natal Moon conjunct Pluto in Scorpio for the reasons that I have already explained.The main challenge for that configuration is to stop holding on and let go...and transform and regenerate.

She also has Sun oppose Neptune in 7th,and that can indicate that she can be too idealistic,dreamy in relationships and can have a hard time seeing her partner clearly that she might end up ignoring the reality of the relationship. The relationship and relationship partner might seem very wonderful when it really isn't due to her seeing things with rose colored glasses. There is a strong need for her to make sure that she doesn't give too much of herself too early....it could be the wrong person. She can end up being involved in the wrong people. Her relationship partners can be illusive,deceptive,and evasive and this cause problems serious problems in the relationship.

The good thing is that she is very sensitive,imaginative,and can be self sacrificing in relationships....she can have partners that are that way.

the main challenge is to see others clearly and be discriminate so she doesn't get taken advantage of.

I believe that the natal chart is very important thing to look in Relationship Astrology. I consider that first before looking at synastry.

perceptions of good and bad are relative

I don't see good and bad in Astrology.
I just see what it is....it's all potential which can used in positive or negative ways.

after all,

posted December 03, 2006 06:48 PM         

You are evidently an accomplished astrologer and I do not believe in sugar-coating or telling people what they wish to hear. However I do believe in being loving and supporting. The people who come to us are often vulnerable and hurting, this is why they are asking questions of us in the first place. My job is to help them to be stronger and have more belief in *themselves*. I believe in looking at the difficulties and challenges and helping the other to transform their lives accordingly. We are here on this earth to learn, if we have insight into what it is we need to learn then this is less struggle for the individual. ALL 'negative' can be turned around to 'positive' - to use humanistic terminology. I want the other person to walk away from me with an idea, a mission, a sense of self... you know?

For the same reasons as you I have been more drawn to tarot than Astrology lately. It's more difinitive to interpret and the truth is most people don't come to an Astrologer for the self-awareness we can offer but because they DO have an idea of what they wish to hear. However if I do a reading I will always wish to send somebody away with a token of inspiration, some hope and some belief in themselves. Unfortunately some don't want to discover their true selves.

I'm sure you understand and this isn't sugar-coating... and it may not be me to whom you refer but if you do, call it Libra Rising if you will.

posted December 03, 2006 07:09 PM         

I have said it before that if you wish to deliver a (talented and insightful and dedicated as this one is) message, then the delivery has to be as immaculate as you can muster and adaptable to the receiving audience.

Do (say) unto others.....?

As to the poster's question....I am 6 days apart from your boyfriend and have every planet the same except for a Scorpio Moon instead of Pisces, even the Scorpio Ascendant.

I can tell just by looking that the energy between you would have been electric and intense beyond belief, and more importantly like you were transported to Heaven for the moments it was working. Reality must seem so difficult to accept when life can create a living breathing glint of a fantasy come true. That deep impenetrable, intense, volatile, unpredictable (to you as well) heart backed up by the other water in your make-up, blended with his intense watery energy must have felt - excruciatingly beautiful and now it feels like you have to cut off a piece of your soul and die a little before you can be reborn.

The feeling is right. Be brave and go through it. Your rebirth will be magnificent, but the fires of stark reality and shattered dreams are the only doorway.

Go through it, and come back here if you need a gentle squeeze on the hand to get through it.

I'm not so much into methodical analysis as following your gut and your heart. I have a feeling you are like that too.

Good luck.

posted December 03, 2006 07:31 PM         

....like a Piscean..............

Terri

posted December 03, 2006 07:34 PM         

There were challenges,and that I was pointing them out and I even pointed out the positive stuff. I made sure that I explained the challenges in detail. Also I never told her anything bad in the first place. I pointed out things that could indicate why she has hard time letting go. The strong 8th house synastry fit that as well as her Moon conj Pluto in Scorpio in 5th. Even her ex's Venus trine Pluto.

the truth is a lot of people ask for readings and when you tell them stuff,they can give you hard time because you don't tell them what they want to be told. Even Natasha agreed to that. I am not the type of person who is into that. I tell what's in the chart,and I go over it as much as I can without sugarcoating it. I do try to be sensitive about it. That's why I use words that aren't definite like can,able to,possibility,probable. I don't use straight out definite words.

Sometimes, I really do feel that I am better off not helping people. I do notice a lot of people asking for relationships readings have some seriously challenging synastry with their partners. I notice t-squares often.

I will look at stuff in this forum, and I won't even bother to comment. I'd rather not say anything and people give me a hard time about it.

But yeah...I know how to give a reading....I know how to be sensitive to about. Most of all,I can be direct and straightforward.

I don't need any lectures.

I am more of a psychological,humanistic astrologer who believes in transformational,evolutionary astrology too.

I am not into predicting. I do have some interest in event-oriented astrology...hence my interest in cosmobiology.

I also have interest in medical astrology which is using astrology for medical,health insights.

posted December 03, 2006 07:48 PM         

"why do you care if it has a lighter/positive note. You're not with the guy any way." - hardly loving and supporting there.

Clearly your insight is gifted as others have attested to. There is no question on that.

Thats all I'll say, and I AM sugar-coating.