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sthenri
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posted June 21, 2004 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
Regarding Love addiction, People use a lot of ego protection to deny their shortcomings. I love these statements because they are true of women AND men, I wonder what signs are more prone to love addiction? I suspect 5th house aspects.

"None of these statements are a statement of a child of God, but the ego protection that child uses in order to protect itself."

1. I must act out of a place of fear with men/women.
2. I must have control over men/women and the sex act.
3. Men/women are possessions I can lose, instead of sacred persons who can
teach me about God and myself.
4. All men/women are the same, an interchangeable part that can be
replaced.
5. Men/women have to be patient with me, so I can indulge my shortcomings
at their expense.
6. I fear a relationship unless a man/woman is enslaved to me by a binding
declaration of love.
7. I fear a time of getting acquainted because a man/woman might not like
what he sees.
8. Sexual intercourse is the way I trap people into loving
relationships to avoid any possible intimacy and rejection.
9. A man/woman who seeks real intimacy is evading my sexual trap amd
causes me anger and confusion.
10. I feel compelled to rescue men/women after they end relationships.
They are more vulnerable that way, and prone to being trapped.
11. My plan this weekend is to solve all of the problems I perceive
in him, so I can avoid dealing with my own.
12. I cannot tell the truth with men/women.
13. It is others who cause me stress. My problems are not of my own
making.

"Again, your wrong beliefs (fears) are completely universal to the
class known as love addiction. The question is: Do you wish to
be free of these fears?"

Love addiction is a real disease that I take seriously, and it's growing all the time, have you seen traits like this in your friends or yourself? I certainly have, if anyone wants a list of books to read, let me know.

Natasha
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pixelpixie
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posted June 21, 2004 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
When I saw the title, love addiction.. I thought "Oh yeah, that's me!"
But when reading the descriptions? You know what? It actually isn't. I think I'm pretty healthy, if a little too romantic. That's certainly a fifth house thing.. but I am proud to say, I am not an addict according to this list.

*does a kermit the frog "Yyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy!!!" flailing her arms madly like a muppet*

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sthenri
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posted June 21, 2004 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
Hi pixie, I am glad you are healthy emotionally, but it's good to talk about this because we all need to look at our shortcomings in a safe place.

I encourage everyone to "tune in" to themselves in or out of a relationship.
There hasn't been as much communication about self determination these days in the media. I was just listening to a song in a store for girls that went "I'd do anything to make you love me, I'd do anything you want, tell me what you want me to do, to make me love you". That' s emotional manipulation at it's worst and it's everywhere.

There's no way for young people to find their soul mate if they are busy trying to find a positive role model to determine who and what they are. These kinds of lessons are good for the adolescent in all of us, nobody is perfect.

Feel free to disagree!

Natasha
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pixelpixie
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posted June 21, 2004 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
No disagreement there.. I hope once those young ladies become older young ladies, they see where they might have had the wrong impression about the consistencies and falsehoodswe are fed with regards to love and relationships in society. That song? I know, unreal! (Literally) I have heard some that I thought ...."oooookay..." about too.
I hope they grow toward positive healthy behaviour. It does take some learning through experience though.

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astro junkie
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posted June 21, 2004 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astro junkie     Edit/Delete Message
Although it could be a matter of semantics, I don't see that list to represent an addiction as much as compulsions, almost to the point of being fetishes. They allow one to "hide".

Addiction is really understood by a few, most people hear that and they use it as an excuse.

I think the list is VERY accurate and consistent. Scary because it reminds me of so many of my lovers!! But for the most part, the list does NOT represent me, at least not consciously.

As for the House for this behavior, how about the 8th or the 12th? I have my Sun in the 5th, and don't have it.

As for the young girls' attitudes these days, I totally blame it on the materialism of the west and in recent years, the emphasis such shows as "Survivor" and other reality shows disrespectfully makes it seem as if the way to go is through our EGO. This is a HUGE tangent from where I came from. It's so confusing to the young because on the one hand, they do yoga and meditate. And then stab someone in the back because of selfishness.

And what I mean by "materialism" is NOT to suggest I'm a commie, because I'm a really proud American. I mean a materialism has been taken to a new psychological level, as technology has taken media effectiveness to a new level, and dangerously manipulative advertisements. Hope that makes sense.

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sthenri
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posted June 21, 2004 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
I have to disagree, I do see these traits as an addiction because they are shared with others. And sadly no one hides these behaviors anymore, it's considered "normal".

It's a touchy subject, but a real one,
The 5th house badly aspected maybe?
I don't know the answer to that, it's more of a global problem.

Natasha

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26taurus
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posted June 21, 2004 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Having a 5th house Venus opposite Neptune. And 8th house moon and pluto.
I feel I am a love addict. But like pixel and astro I do not relate to the list of statements.

I think this has to do with years of working the dysfunctional parts of myself. I do see alot of the things on the list acted out in alot of my friends and people around me.

The situation with media bombardment and young girls today is very sad.

I guess I have learned to not operate in "fear" mode. It's been hard, because of the way most people are brought up - to feel fear, guilt, the need to be in control.
Not that I'm perfect, but I feel I am ahead of the game in those departments. This took alot of learning and looking at myself with true honesty.

My life so far has been a constant learning of hard lessons, especially in the department of love.

I have come to know in my heart and soul that we are really all ONE. All sparks of the Divine Flame. So, I guess I'm addicted to TRUE Love. Not the manipulative, twisted, ego-centered kind that is so common today.

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astro junkie
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posted June 21, 2004 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astro junkie     Edit/Delete Message
That's cool...

As far as addiction, my Libra Sun in the 5th is not aspected at all, so I cannot offer any stats on that. But whenever I read an interpretation which speaks of the behaviors in the list, it always has to do with a Pluto person putting the other in a haze or under their control.

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