posted June 11, 2004 07:41 PM         

I'd like to introduce some of their aspects. I think a lighthearted study of what aspects they had might give us more clues into those key "attraction" and "committment" aspects! *excited* Don't you think?

We've taken a look here at other couples, or perused statistics, of many couples, but few have been married for what - 60 years or something like that? Had a very public life with tons of pressure, yet, their romance was continually rekindled.

I'd like to know a little bit more about this love matter ...

i know this much:::

Nancy Reagan - July 6, 1921 New York City
Sun - Cancer
Moon - Leo
Mercury - Cancer
Venus - Taurus
Mars - Cancer
Jupiter - Virgo
Saturn - Virgo

Ronald Reagan - February 6, 1911 - Tampico ILLINOIS

Sun - Aquarius
Moon - Taurus
Mercury - Capricorn
Venus - Pisces
Mars - Capricorn
Jupiter - Scorpio
Saturn - Taurus

I'll keep looking for the rest of the planets and/or times of birth and post when I find. Gotta reboot my computer for a sec...

posted June 11, 2004 10:07 PM         

You people must be so sick of me with all of my devotion to boy plus girl lives happily ever after by now, lol.

But you know I love this undying love stuff, so I'll love to read about it as more info. comes in, but already....

I can't help noticing that Nancy has a Cancer stellium here.

Sign of the family and all.

I guess I should plan on marrying a Cancer or something then, right?

Lots of grounded Earth signs among Ron and Nancy as well.

Thanks for the info. and please do keep posting whenever you can!

Playful

posted June 11, 2004 11:05 PM         

Do you want to just complete the listing so people can interpret on their own, or do you want to list aspects too or interpretations? It's up to you.

At the very least, we can get some impressions on any key placements pointing to a stable relationship.

Thanks.

posted June 11, 2004 11:53 PM         

here we go:

(A)R. Reagan
DOB Feb. 6, 1911
Tampico, Ill
time: 14.34 CST + 6:00

Sun Aquarius
Moon Taurus
Merc. Capricorn
Venus Pisces
Mars Capricorn
Jup. Scorpio
Saturn Taurus
Uranus Capricorn
Nept. Cancer
Pluto Gemini
Asc. Cancer
MidHea.Pisces

Key aspects:

A's Planet Aspect B's Planet
Neptune Conjunct Sun
A Karmic Link

Ascendant Conjunct Sun
The Lighted Way

Neptune Conjunct Mercury
The Thinker and the Dreamer

Ascendant Conjunct Mercury
Food for Thought

Venus Conjunct Uranus
Love Brings Change

Neptune Conjunct Mars
Subtle Sexual Interplay

Ascendant Conjunct Mars
Immediate Reaction

Mars Opposition MidHeaven
Firing Up

MidHeaven Opposition Saturn
Firm Foundations or Want of Them

Ascendant Conjunct Pluto
Empowerment or Disempowerment

Okay Folks, there ya have it. Personally I think that the most important aspect is the
Ven. Conj. Uranus

posted June 11, 2004 11:57 PM         

It didn't post my the second column which I had for Nancy, so here it is again:

Nancy Reagan (B)
July 6, 1921 12:17 EDT + 4:00
New York, New York

Sun Cancer
Moon Cancer
Merc. Cancer
Venus Taurus
Mars Cancer
Jup. Virgo
Sat. Virgo
Uranus Pisces
Nept. Leo
Pluto Cancer
Asc. Libra
MidHea. Cancer

posted June 12, 2004 03:01 AM         

And I mean FIXED. You don't see each other in person until the day you marry, or just before

My aunt, who's like 86 years old, or something crazy like that (she runs around like a teenager - quick mind included)... well, she was married for like 50-60 frickin' years, before he died recently. It was all done pre-Internet era, by handwritten letters.

They've always been perfect for each other, and they raised 3 fine men.

I think with the momentum of the womens' lib movement, we were "trained" to tune out those submissive urges to be with a man "happily ever after". Supposedly, we were fed a dose of reality. A real wake up for the better.

Well, my point is, two people are entering a contract for specific purposes which each commits to. That's hard work which requires tons of teamwork. THERE'S NO CRYING IN TEAMWORK! - my Tom Hanks imitation...

The older I get, the more weary and selectively forgetful I get over too much advice. Like personally invading advice. You know what I mean? Cuz we are frickin' bombarded so much by images and options in a fast time. I started saying like 12 years ago, we humans are not built for that.

Yes, we're great at adapting and surviving. But in order to live a sincere life of honesty, we need the quiet to hear our inner voice.

posted June 12, 2004 09:59 AM         

Sun Cancer 14.03
Moon Leo 0.15
Mercury Cancer 16.26 R
Venus Taurus 28.29
Mars Cancer 11.53
Jupiter Virgo 14.05
Saturn Virgo 19.46
Uranus Pisces 9.26 R
Neptune Leo 12.23
Pluto Cancer 8.35
Lilith Aquarius 9.40
Asc node Libra 23.35
Chiron Aries 13.27
Ceres Leo 10.11
Pallas Cancer 13.56
Juno Capricorn 3.46 R
Vesta Taurus 8.26
Fortune Libra 28.12
South node Aries 23.35

Signs masculine 2
Signs feminine 8
Signs cardinals 4
Signs fixed 3
Signs mutable 3
Signs of fire 2
Signs of earth 3
Signs of air 0
Signs of water 5

Sun Conjunction Mercury 2.23
Sun Conjunction Mars 2.10
Sun Sextile Jupiter 0.02
Sun Trine Uranus 4.36
Sun Conjunction Pluto 5.28
Moon Sextile Venus 1.46
Mercury Conjunction Mars 4.33-------Mercury Sextile Jupiter 2.20
Mercury Sextile Saturn 3.20
Mercury Trine Uranus 6.59
Mercury Conjunction Pluto 7.51
Mars Sextile Jupiter 2.12
Mars Trine Uranus 2.26
Mars Conjunction Pluto 3.18
Jupiter Conjunction Saturn 5.41
Jupiter Opposition Uranus 4.39
Uranus Trine Pluto 0.52

Reagan Ronald President, US Sex M
Tampico, IL 17 United States of America Monday 6 February 1911 12:00 pm Julian day 2419074.25
Adjust 6.00 ST 21.04 Lat 41.37 Long 89.47
Time unknown

Sun Aquarius 16.52
Moon Taurus 18.13
Mercury Capricorn 21.55
Venus Pisces 4.04
Mars Capricorn 4.14
Jupiter Scorpio 13.46
Saturn Taurus 0.51
Uranus Capricorn 26.32
Neptune Cancer 19.28 R
Pluto Gemini 26.05 R
Lilith Sagittarius 5.59
Asc node Taurus 14.26
Chiron Pisces 1.03
Ceres Aries 21.22
Pallas Pisces 14.32
Juno Libra 22.24
Vesta Taurus 4.41
Fortune Virgo 9.47
South node Scorpio 14.26

Signs masculine 2
Signs feminine 8
Signs cardinals 4
Signs fixed 4
Signs mutable 2
Signs of fire 0
Signs of earth 5
Signs of air 2
Signs of water 3

Sun Square Moon 1.21
Sun Square Jupiter 3.06
Moon Trine Mercury 3.42
Moon Opposition Jupiter 4.27
Moon Sextile Neptune 1.15
Mercury Conjunction Uranus 4.37
Mercury Opposition Neptune 2.27
Venus Sextile Mars 0.10
Venus Sextile Saturn 3.13
Venus Trine Pluto 7.60
Mars Trine Saturn 3.23
Mars Opposition Pluto 8.09
Jupiter Trine Neptune 5.42
Saturn Square Uranus 4.19
Uranus Opposition Neptune 7.04
Uranus Inconjunct Pluto 0.27

PS: How did you arrive at the birth times listed for Ronald and Nancy Reagan?

posted June 12, 2004 03:19 PM         

Does the info you've got on them include their Rising's? Wondering if there will be further discrepancy.

I just found stuff on the Internet, that's how I arrived...

Is it just me, or does Nancy have a lot of easy-going Natal aspects, as if she had little inner conflicts and obstacles?

posted June 12, 2004 04:23 PM         

Glad you're happy with your charting purchase. I wasn't able to confirm Ronald Reagan's birthtime because it wasn't on his birth certificate. There are conflicting reports as to the actual time. Impossible to aspect to the Asc or any houses without accurate info on the birthtime. Yeah some programs prevent you from doing much with the charts they produce besides viewing them. Have you tried a copy and paste job?

astro junkie

I found Ron Reagan in my own program database but not Nancy. I used your birth info for her. My program doesn't have his time of birth but I found this on Lois Rodden's AstroDatabank site.
http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/ReaganRonald.htm

"It appears that we have no authenticated birth time. Following are the times that have surfaced, with the most recent additions first: In June 2004, just after Reagan’s death, Jim Shawvan wrote to PT by e-mail: “I have known for several years that Ronald Reagan had personally given his birth time as 8:25 am to a friend of mine, Joy Rippeth, who was his first astrologer….Thus the correct birth data for Ronald Reagan is Feb. 6, 1911, 8:25 am, Tampico, IL. Now that Reagan has passed away, I have Joy's permission to reveal this information, and to reveal her identity as well. She is retired now.” Jim attached correspondence from Joy Rippeth who said she got the time of 8:25 AM from Ronald Reagan himself and that she had advised him to be careful on March 30-31, 1981. Note that Reagan was shot on March 30. Steven Stuckey confirms that Reagan’s birth certificate has no time on it and is shown in a book published in 2001, called: “Ronald Reagan: The Presidential Portfolio.” Steven writes: “’This book is ‘a history illustrated from the collection of the Ronald Reagan library and museum’. A copy of the original State of Illinois birth certificate is shown very clearly on page 2. There is no time of birth stated on the certificate, nor is there a space on the document for the time. All the other particulars are there, including date of birth as well as parents names and occupations. What is most interesting is the date of signing by the physician in attendance, Dr. H.A. Terry. That date is August 14, 1942.” .......................

There's more to read about various claims made for his time of birth and it's interesting reading.

It is striking that Nancy has almost no hard aspects in her chart. It's also interesting she has no "air" and Ronald has no "fire" unless those are in their Asc which cannot be determined....or at least I can't determine them with any degree of confidence.

Something else that jumps out is her Leo Moon and I think that's where that fierce protective quality about Ron comes from. The more people attacked him, the more of a Lioness she turned into. I'm assuming the info you posted for Nancy is correct as to day and place of birth and I have no reason to believe otherwise.

posted June 12, 2004 05:46 PM         

*blinks*

Oh, geez.
His chart is actually a lot like my husband's (just by the placements).
Jase's an Aqua Sun, Taurus Moon w/ a Cappie Merc...his Mars is in Pisces, though, not his Venus.

Er, sorry.

posted June 14, 2004 03:10 PM         

As for arrange marriages working...I wonder if they work because 'divorce' is not an option. If you were unhappy who would you tell...

Just opinions really

posted June 14, 2004 05:51 PM         

I like Nancy's Leo moon, it's hard for me to dislike anyone with a Leo moon because they are incredibly loyal and tender hearted toward their one mate. Faithful and loyal are words that come to mind. I know one who is a hard worker, good to his mother and sister, and gets A's in school. He also believes I am the greatest artist on earth. What a kid brother!

Interesting that Nancy had Uranus trine Sun, so even though she had little air, she would be sparked by Aquarians with that aspect. Her ego was healthy. Reagan impressed me with his Mercury aspects, he has so many it's no wonder he was a good communicator. He always gave the appearance of a person who was delivering serious, important information to the public.

His Saturn in Taurus must have been very attracted to her Venus in Taurus. She wore the pants in the family. Saturn in Taurus would feel a little dominated by an Earth Venus. Mars in Capricorn also likes the drama of a Leo moon. Nancy had lots of drama, creative flair and ego, wrapped up with pride.

I see Reagan had Venus trine Pluto, a good aspect for getting what he wanted over the long term. He liked Nancy's drama and flair and so he was satisfied with his choice.

Note that the happiest relationships have to do with Satisfaction, not a perfect match.