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1scorp
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posted December 21, 2005 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 1scorp     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for all the help.
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Scorpio sun, venus, mars, mercury, and uranus
Libra moon, Pluto, and asc.

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1scorp
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posted December 21, 2005 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 1scorp     Edit/Delete Message
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posted December 21, 2005 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry you are still blue

I'm just a virgo with Mars and Neptune in Scorp... but... i have a very good Scorpio friend that is 10 years my junior. That puts her at her Saturn Return. She has expressed much the same as you... especially the friendship first..before sharing and wants to finally make herself a priority... She knows that i have struggled with this too. (still am.. 7th house stellium). Its that friendship you fall back on in times like this.. it gets you through.. instead of feeling like its a waiting thing... its more of a relating thing...i guess what i'm trying to say is that if you have a friendship first basis then its comfortable to go there... it's not all or nothing...I think you have become very aware of who you want to be
and i also think putting your self at the top of the list is the best kind of example for your daughter. She is fortunate to have you.

(((((hugs to you)))))

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Stargazer
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posted December 21, 2005 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message
sorry ... just saw your chart... ye gads.. i have venus retro also and its closing fast for that "period".. as i like to call it... It's always been a funky time for me... change and strange would sum it up....
Maybe thats part of it... it will linger in and linger out so to speak.. I wouldn't discard it...

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BlueTopaz124
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posted December 21, 2005 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueTopaz124     Edit/Delete Message
Don't worry about losing your relationship with the Capricorn...keep the lines of communication open between you two and tell him how you feel...it won't go away and taking a break/turning it into friendship may just make it stronger and better.

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pixelpixie
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posted December 21, 2005 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
I really know what you mean.. the past two years for me have been somewhat like you are describing.
I feel I can't give enough in my relationships, because I haven't defined what giving means to me, as I lost me along the way.. and I don't like doing things half-assed, so I end up in a sort of sideline life, where I will feel things deeply, but not find any solace with anything.
Sexual relationships require giving. They require a deep level of desire and sharing and if you can't muster that (not through any guilt) then you need to work through it, and understand it. Do what you have to do, you are still a whole person, but you are aware of the parts that need exploring. That part of you won't go away. You will always be a sexual person, so it's okay to not prove it.
I get it, but I find as I type this, the words aren't quite adequate.
Anyway.. good luck on this and keep talking.

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posted December 21, 2005 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Devilfish     Edit/Delete Message
i think those changes are great
putting your deep needs first sends a wonderful message to your daughter as well as the people you attract.
honoring yourself and your needs is a gift from the heart of your true self.if he is a man worthy of you he will respect your needs.if not maybe its an affirmation that you can do better

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posted December 22, 2005 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 1scorp     Edit/Delete Message
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posted December 29, 2005 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 1scorp     Edit/Delete Message

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posted December 29, 2005 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aphrodite     Edit/Delete Message
Hi 1scorp,

I watched a few episodes of Dr. Phil the other day. On his show, he was counseling a newlywed couple that they needed to learn how to be friends in order for their relationship to work. That they do things together and have fun. I thought that was interesting and decided to check out his website for additional things he had to say. I really recommend reading it whenever you have some time because there were things on it that made me think.

www.drphil.com

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AcousticGod
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posted December 29, 2005 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
How long had your Cappie been single before you came along?

Capricorns aren't typically people who need to have romantic partners. We go for long periods (years) without any action whatsoever, and then out of the blue something happens. I, myself, have had a 4 year stint without sex as an adult. I'm saying that sex for a Capricorn male isn't something he feels he has control over. When he gets it he's grateful. If he stops having sex of his own will, then it's typically an issue with the relationship (and that's where he's coming from).

Here are the questions I'd want answered if I were him:

Why would you not want to have sex?
What is the sex compromising?
What does removing the sexual component add to the relationship?
Is this a power thing? Is our sex life always going to be determined by your whim? If I have a sexual urge or need are you going to ignore it? Should I do the same for your urges and needs?

He is going to definitely continue to feel rejected if you can't come up with answers to the above questions.

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I have no interest in going out and doing all the things that others do. Going out just to drink until you’re sick in the morning… find a lover, etc. It just seems so pointless at this moment… like it’s not enriching me in any way.

I've never been one to feel compelled to do those things, so I think your Cap can or should be able to understand this perfectly well.

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I think, honestly, that what you really want is to break up with him without sending him away. Maybe having a relationship is just too much stress for you right now. You don't want to be responsible for his ego or fulfilling his needs. I think you want to lower his priority in your life to the bottom where it makes more sense for you. I think a Capricorn could understand that there are more important concerns in your life, and that he must learn to be flexible and give you the kind of space that you need to get your stuff done. I would recommend taking back the no-sex rule (as that can only serve to alienate him). Instead establish boundaries. Tell him that sex can no longer be a given when you guys get together romantically. If it happens, it happens, but if there's a reason sex would not be a good idea for you on a particular night or day he's got to be able to understand that.

Also, if you're looking to develop friendship with him to a greater degree, then perhaps you need to challenge him to be more creative with his date ideas. Make him plan something. Then he'll want to make sure his plan happens, and as long as his plan doesn't involve getting you into bed, you and him will be out at special places doing things together that aren't sex-based. He may even surprise you and plan so much there's no time for sex.

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posted December 30, 2005 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 1scorp     Edit/Delete Message
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posted December 30, 2005 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 1scorp     Edit/Delete Message
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GemStar
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posted December 30, 2005 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemStar     Edit/Delete Message
Hi! Hopefully this New Year will bring you much happiness!!

Just a quick glance at your natal positions shows me that transiting Mars in Taurus has been opposing many of your Scorpio natal placements. Mars has just come out of retrograde so many of these areas have been hit twice and are getting hit with the final third pass. Frustrations are many!!

When you take the time to start paying attention to your transits and understanding their influence on your natal chart...it becomes extremely helpful in figuring out the whys and hows of what you are experiencing on different levels.

All of this in your 8th house (current Mars transiting for you) may explain some of your feelings with regards to the sexual issues within your relationship etc....perhaps money issues as well.

Transiting Uranus is in your 5th house of relationships as well...and will very soon be opposing your n. Saturn. And will then move into your 6th house in Summer 2006.

Transiting Saturn (retrograde now) in Leo is crossing back over your natal Jupiter...possibly lending to the feeling of restricting your desires to feel optimistic and joyous.

There are lots of interps which you can read and a great place to begin is at the Bob Marks site!!

http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/transits18.0.htm


Mostly, go with your INTUITION and trust more in yourself.

You be you and be your BEST You!

Let him be him...at whatever level he is living. Being friends is OK...just be clear on what constitutes these boundaries between you two!!

Good Luck!!

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AcousticGod
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posted December 31, 2005 02:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I forgot all about this til I saw your name in another thread. I knew there was some thread I wanted to get back to.

So he's not really perfect after all...didn't have all that info. I have no idea what to tell you about a Cap with an addiction. I can see where a Cap would be very good at concealing it, and very motivated to do so. The only drugs I've known myself to be addicted to are nicotine and caffiene, and I quit smoking two years ago. If you would have told me back then that I should quit smoking I would've agreed with you. No help really.

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I think you're just going to have to be really firm with him. If he's like me he will try to work with you for eternity (because he likes you so much), but if you don't have the patience to try to work with him, then you'll probably have to set the boundaries pretty hard. The bond makes it hard, but also probably makes it necessary.

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