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maklhouf
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posted September 15, 2006 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
One guy may fvck dozens of guys but he's not homo. Another has a wife and kids, but he's gay. London gay club, Heaven, had to introduce a quota, because most of its clients were hetero. Pop star Tom Robinson is gay, so he married a woman. Folk star Peggy Seeger is hetero, so she married a woman. When a woman lives with a butch dyke, is that because she wants to live with a man or a woman?

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The Mutable Night Force
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posted September 15, 2006 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Mutable Night Force     Edit/Delete Message
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The Mutable Night Force
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posted September 15, 2006 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Mutable Night Force     Edit/Delete Message
Hahaha
Whoaa! maklhouf! You sure threw up a hellofalot of topics in one go there!

Well, I happen to disagree with you, and the London Gay club, if a man goes and has sex with a bunch of men, I don't think he's straight. Now everyone says we're all a bit gay, yadda yadda, but this guy is probably more gay than the rest of us 'straight' people and at least Bi.
However, I heard something interesting which I think I believe which is that apparently gay men are born gay because of a gene they have, whereas women are not.
What also comes into the discussion here and throws up even more questions is also the basic natures and general differences between men and women. For instance, women will sometimes kiss each other goodbye, link arms, share a bed if they had to etc... but it's not normal for guys to do that. This is probably one of the reasons women will sometimes have gay experiences, because it's less of a deal to them and can be just out of curiousity. Besides, women work on a whole different level to men. Half the time, female friendships can be like a reltionship anyway.
Second point, gay men (and sorry if anyone disagrees) can actually have sex (penetrative) and lesbians can't (without 'help').
Third point, lesbians, not always, but very often, have already had relationships with with men (some gay men have tried relationships with women but I still reckon it's more frequent with the girls) or have some reason (again IMO) to dislike men.
Ok, so loads of you will probably disagree but even due to the first to points, it makes me believe being gay isn't the same thing for men and women. I can't explain why I think this much better than this, as I'm not a scientist.
Btw, I'm perfectly open to other ideas, this is just what's been gathered by a 16 year old.

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sthenri
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posted September 16, 2006 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
Psychiatrists say it's who you are, your identity that makes you, not your behaviour.

There's truth to that.

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InLoveWithLife
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posted September 16, 2006 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InLoveWithLife     Edit/Delete Message
Hey MNF,

that was pretty insightful coming from a 16yr old...Sounded more like a 30 yr old to me

I agree with you, now that I think about these things. There was a period in my life where I never got attracted to men, they just irritated me too much, and started to wonder if there was something wrong with me :P (still think like tht sometimes....).

And I have seen other women who have had similar doubts. But i think its totally different with guys who take it as a direct hit upon their masculinity. We women are more open to the concept than men, in my humble opinion.

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OzMeg222
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posted September 17, 2006 03:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for OzMeg222     Edit/Delete Message
Its a gene IMHO.

Of course some people like to experiment but personally I think thats just being greedy!

Straight, gay, bi some people just aren't happy being with one person. Can't say I agree with that personally though.

I know as many stable homosexual couples as I do heterosexual.

Morality is a part of who you are, not determined by your sexuality.

Love is love.

I beleive sexuality is something sometimes seperate for some people.
And sometimes the deep love of close friendship is confused for something else.

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The Mutable Night Force
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posted September 18, 2006 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Mutable Night Force     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you InLoveWithLife. I know what you're saying too.


Anyway, being PC or not isn't the question here. Obviously, I don't think someone's orientation defines who they are, it's a part of you but it's not the person you are, ie. personality and views wise. If this makes any sense.

Another view. If a schoolchild like me were given the topic question in an RS exam we would be expected to give an answer something like: "A homosexual is someone who has relationships with other people of the same gender." Simple. That's what the schools teach. Just as they teach "A heterosexual is someone who has relationships with people of the opposite gender to themselves."
Doesn't mean being straight is all you are as a person

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maklhouf
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posted September 19, 2006 05:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you for your replies. I think it is fact that most lesbians have had nore sex with men than with women. I saw it in one of the few gay newspapers that tells it like it really is for gays. I consider myself heterosexual, but I have been attracted to exceptional physical specimens of my own sex.

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posted October 09, 2006 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Neophyte     Edit/Delete Message
*bump* hope y'all don't mind me ressurecting this thread Just had to comment..

Sexuality is fluid, impossible to pigeon hole and fit into neat categories. At different phases in someone's life they could be into men and then at another phase, develop an exclusive attraction to women. Maybe this is hormonal, maybe not, but Sex is all in the brain and since our sex drives are no longer devoted to the sole purpose of procreation our approach to sex has evolved.

I'm very surprised at the data which states that most lesbians have had more sex with men than with women. I'd like to know what their reasoning was for making the switch.

- Were they always more into women and because of pressure from a largely hetero society the need to seem "normal" was more important so they pursued relationships with men?
-How many women did they interview for this survey and in what age bracket were they?
- Can this survey truly claim to speak for all lesbians out there ( I seriously doubt this).
It's possible that since gay relationships have only recently gained some acceptance in America you will find lots of women who stayed in the closet and continue to - pretending to be something they're not- for the sake of appearances. They were having sex with men but it wasn't the kind of sex they would have liked to have. Or perhaps they did enjoy it but suddenly decided they preferred women. You see the same thing with *Some* gay males who go on the "down low" - Married with kids during the day, Homosexual by night. And then you have the bisexuals ...

I think we're basically dealing with energies here. Male and female, yin and yang,,call it whatever.. are just convenient labels to help us describe these energies and their polarity. We have both types of energies in us, and depending on a variety of factors - definitely nature is involved here- one type of energy is more dominant than the other. A woman who chooses to live with a "butch dyke" wants precisely that, a "butch dyke". She does not want a man; she wants a woman with predominately masculine energies. It’s this combination - female yet male - that makes her tick. We could speculate as to the why's of this but won't come up with a conclusive answer that speaks for all women like her. There are even different types of "butches", stone butches - the most masculine, "soft butches" - butches with a more feminine edge/feminine women with a masculine edge. Then you have "femmes" who embody the feminine archetype or "lipstick lesbians". .....And then you have lesbians who couldn't be bothered with these labels and reject them..

Our individual preferences differ wildly, regardless of your gender preference, even when it comes down to physical looks. You may find someone physically attractive but not as sexually attractive as someone else who is not conventionally beautiful. I wouldn't dare presume to know what it's "really like" for anyone when it comes to their sexual preferences. The reasons for attraction between men and women, men and men, women and women can be theorized perhaps but still remain a mystery and I like it that way

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