posted October 19, 2005 12:07 AM           

When you take your baby to a park to sit in the sun, do you automatically think, sex or love?
Is romance what someone does to show affection? or is romance feeling affectionate?

posted October 19, 2005 10:49 AM           

Sex is a great part of love or it can just be a physical act. Personally IMO a love can be sustained on romance alone, but can never be sustained on only sex.

posted October 19, 2005 02:37 PM           

errrr......isnt romance something blokes do as a prerequisite to "getting their leg over" (sorry to be graphic but if I was to choose words of a more subtle nature, it would lose the meaning).

well isnt it..............?

And if I was a bloke I would probably do the same thing LOL !!!!

posted October 19, 2005 04:57 PM         

Sometimes romance is planned in a carefully orchestrated outing of some sort, and sometimes it's just a place you find yourself in when out (or in) with your love.

I still like romance.

posted October 20, 2005 09:25 AM           

mmm...mmmm....mmmm

posted October 20, 2005 03:35 PM           

I can't deal with sex without romance, romantic notions or not, and I am not naive or innocent. Not only that it's necessary to long lasting happiness, how can anyone survive on love without any romance?

posted October 20, 2005 04:28 PM         

"It hurts to admit because of male pride but I wish it wasn't like that."

posted October 21, 2005 04:55 PM           

It works, no?

The Taj Mahal, Percy Shelley's love poetry, Beatles Music, Ceasar & Cleopatra, Tiffany's and De Beers, Shakespeare , wines, candlelit nights . . .

There are so many shades of gray when it comes to love. The ancient Greeks had words to describe the variances. All we have in the English language is "ell-ooo-vee-eyy" . . .

Romantic love is hard to find. I imagine that a lot of men and women desire this, but over time circumstances have their ways on the mind and people start to settle . . .

Heartache and age come to mind, but there are so many others.

Romance or love on their own don't seem to do the trick for the fairy tale kind of chemistry.

In my own experiences, yes those two things can and do happen on their own. They do not always exist in a relationship with one another.

When it comes to dating, I trust my heart now more than I ever did before. My heart rarely ever makes rational-logical sense to my mind's utter dismay. :-/ But I follow it anyway and feel calm and OK when I say goodbye to guys . . . they ask "Why?" and I have said it doesn't feel right and I don't know why. In a voice that my heart would use if it was a person saying those same words to me.

Yes I know, I am a deeply romantic girl at heart! Romantic love does exist and I do think in the history of men it is in their essence to do such special little things when they find the woman of their dreams.

posted October 22, 2005 01:47 PM           

But nobody is perfect all the time, and perhaps romance is as much of an illusion as misconceptions we may have about our opposite flame. I spoke with Mr. Aqua about this a while ago, saying how I couldn't believe the romantic side of our relationship had gone so much downhill. he said, sorry if I was disillusioned, but he had never done anything to cultivate that illusion, and that he was "just a man" and didn't pretend to be anything he wasn't. I couldn't believe I was hearing this. I thought: "So what were all those sweet nothings for? Did they come from the heart, or were they to manipulate me?"
Mind you, he had Mars in Pisces, conjunct my Venus in Pisces and conjunct our composite Sun in the 5th, so I don't think he knew himself - there were a ton of self-indulgent illusions going on there...

I realized today that I don't love ANYONE right now....could have broken down in tears, but I was in one of the British Museum galleries, and thought better of it. I thought, "Well, you're not the first and last person this has happened to, and quite frankly, you don't need anyone telling you that not to have love in your life is a bad thing".

So there!

I must be getting old,

AT

posted October 22, 2005 03:01 PM           

I have watched many a funny sketch on tv where the bloke is thinking, now how much am I gonna have to spend on her before i get a s***.......quite funny, but true in lots of cases....not all of course !!!

posted October 23, 2005 05:10 AM           

In Ireland people use the word shag quite a lot...like they will say "shag off" or" whats the shagging point" etc. One of the reasons I like it here is theres no big deal with that hahahaha!!!

posted October 23, 2005 04:20 PM           

Sue, you make me laugh.

AT

posted October 23, 2005 07:23 PM           

Oh girl ignore me, Ive been married three times and around the block a few times haha...of course there are genuinely romantic guys out there.......its just finding em and if you can keeping em on their toes.....
Some women, maybe, are too yielding at times.....and some men need to be reminded of the language of love...LOL !!!

Hi AT

posted October 23, 2005 10:32 PM           

Even the most methodical planner will give out a sample or two, and I don't see why it can't be physical. If a man judges me for that I don't really want him anyway.

In ancient times I believe there were desperate women who needed to keep the fires going and were willing to bed down with a man for basically some security, maybe a few extra furs, and some food. If they chose wrong, they got children he wouldn't take of and could starve. So they gave out samples of cooking, or wore attractive furs. Who knows? This is a theory...based on human emotion.

Now once a man was in bed, he wasn't going outside that's for sure, and no more nice furs, or free samples going on..and no more hope for something better either..it was the end of the road, the reminder of old age and the reason men and women continued to hunt and work outside the home.

Now it seems women work less outside the home practically speaking, and do less physical work even though they are "liberated", and men don't do much hunting...so more and less hope, and fewer samples.

Ariestiger, you are in love, but with someone you don't even know. You have this strong belief in love, which is the ingredient needed for romance. It's necessary to love over and over again, because it keeps us into the future. Aries is about hope and the future right? Maybe that means more than your emotional state, maybe it means you were meant to have a bigger future romantically than most.

Romance increases security about the future. Who can be sad if you know you will have love and romance again? It's impossible.
I am convinced romance is healthy:>

anyone agree or disagree?

Natasha

posted October 24, 2005 12:10 AM           

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I've been thinking for a while that throughout history, it's been the men who have created romance, sentiments, and sweet nothings to please and appease women.

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Of course! That's their function. It's no coincidence that the Muses were all woman. And I don't for a minute think of it as a one way street. I like to think of it as mutual manipulation or, from a less cynical standpoint, a beautiful dance.

just my two cents

posted October 24, 2005 12:13 AM           

but its a compromise. if you want the romantic signs then ur going to have to put up with the aries dogmatism, occasional chauvinism, and the protectiveness/possessiveness, and temper tantrums too. but believe me those aries men can really romance u, and they keep on doing it...till they die!

on the other hand if ur looking for stability or practicality, that kind of man isnt going to entertain romantic notions...or very few do.

what i am trying to say is that, it is impossible to find the whole package, that believes in love, lust, romance all together, with the practical etc. too. romance can be put on like a mask by some men to woo women (like sue said), but if ur looking for a man for whom romance is a way of life, then you're going to have to compromise on the other issues.

posted October 24, 2005 04:09 AM           

Why do a majority of men chase Pisces women? Serenades were invented by men and so was poetry. Every normal man wants to be romantic but his intelligence and his lady's receptiveness puts a limit on how romantic he can be. Just my two cents.

posted October 24, 2005 11:18 AM           

In this day and age, it's more about showing off the woman you have rather than enjoying her quiet presence. Without her career, there is no way to enjoy respect from other men..before careers it was her pedigree, her background and parent's money.

Possibly for the more receptive and giving sun signs, as in Taurus, our best bet is to be assertive in the pleasing department since we can arrange the good life through sweets, art, and music.

SG I am pretty sure although I am practical, the average man is much more practical than me, and thinks beyond poetry to the SUV!

I suppose romance is subtle, and I am making too much of it as always.