posted January 09, 2010 05:23 AM         

Both start out at the top, but how do they differ?
Would it be safe to say that one possibly starts out higher than the other? If so, how can we determine that? I am gonna venture to say that the difference is this _

Soul Mates have a an uncanny connection to each other, but Twin Flames have an additional connection to God forming a Divine Trinity.

I believe that this is the reason that soul mates are said to have an easier time getting together and having children and such. Theirs is a relationship built on their service to one another and although the love is unconditional, the same degree of self-sacrifice isn't required as it is for Twin flames. Because of this a soul mate relationship can be achieved with a lesser degree of conscious awareness.

Twin Flames are the apex of relationships. The ideal and perfect form for how it is to be between the male and the female. Adam and Eve are the model for this before their fall from grace because of disobedience. I think that it is also true that we must experience soul mate relationships before we can attain the twin flame. We have always been told that we are to put God first, I guess now we are beginning to see why we should.

When we experience either one of these two, certain events occur that cause us to ask specific kinds of questions. These questions cause us to dig deep on a quest of self-discovery and as we learn, we grow. As we grow we also condition ourselves to handle the responsibility that comes along with the power of these advanced kinds of unions.

posted January 09, 2010 06:38 AM         

I want to give some examples:

From Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged:
Dagny Taggart and Hank Rearden are Soulmates.
Dagny and John Galt are Twin Flames.

From the movie Mr Destiny:
James Belushi and Linda Hamilton are Twin Flames.

From the movie Hancock:
Will Smith and Charlize are Twin SOULS [as they are both in 4th D]. Prior to this immortality, they would have been twin flames.

Cricket legend Sir Don Bradman and Lady Jessie Bradman are Twin Flames.

Michael Jackson and Elizabeth Taylor are "friend" Soulmates.

From the book "Gone with the wind":
Scarlett and Rhett Butler are Twin Flames who exemplify the "running away" syndrome, Scarlett and Ashley being Soulmates.
(Interesting that the chosen name of the main town in that classic is TARA, the Buddhist/Tantrik goddess of Reincarnation..)

posted January 09, 2010 06:44 AM         

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Will Smith and Charlize are Twin SOULS [as they are both in 4th D]. Prior to this immortality, they would have been twin flames.

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posted January 09, 2010 09:55 AM         

Great thread Polo.

posted January 09, 2010 10:03 AM         

I now believe that the Universe splits you up when one is not ready ~ this safeguards the relationship for the future when the TF has worked on themselves.

I don't believe that you will see TF's in a relationship when one is of a denser vibration to the other. It just won't be allowed to happen for risk of karma and other issues.

posted January 09, 2010 10:06 AM         

"Astral Plane/Astral Travel: Dream plane where we are able to immediately gratify our senses. We may even see alien looking entities here. Dreams in which we are able to fly just cause we want to fly, these are in the Astral Plane.
Some texts teach a connection to Angel Sandalphon for Astral Travel. Usually, strong intentions prior to sleep enable Astral Travel, but one needs some astrological placements for doing this easily.
If we attain Lucidity and awareness that we are in a dream state, then we are Astral Travelling.
If we practice using some advanced Yoga tricks the ability to come out of 6th Chakra, then we are "Out of Body".
When Out of Body, lucidity is there from the start, and we are immediately in the Astral Dimension of planet Earth.
Ghosts exist in this plane. They do not want to leave Earth and keep wandering here.
Advanced occultists can travel from here to Astral Planets [Like "HiranyaLoka", the Upper Astral Abode of Swami Yukteswara who was Yogananda's guru].
The drawback of Astral Travel is that secret government technology can capture valuable soul energy from this plane. Negative aliens use the entire middle and lower astral as their playground to sap soul energy.

Hyperspace: The beginning of 5th D at the end of the Upper Astral. This is the abode of all Oversouls and our Higher Self. Every Oversoul itself has a matrix of 9 Angelic Levels from Cherubim to ArchAngel. These angelic levels maintain our chakras. Probably they maintain the Astrological Impulses of planets too in every Star System in the Multiverse.

When we meditate with the intent of connecting to our Oversoul, we will get different type of dreams. We wont be flying around. We will be "visioning". We will be downloading archetypes. We may get past life recalls.
In visions, we will get instantaneous awareness of knowledge or a solution to a puzzling issue in life.
In past life recalls, we will be aware of who we are now ad at the same time who we were then and see certain events. There will be a feeling of remembering that life's next event with accuracy. The density will feel like 3D, we wont see flakey, elastic astral stuff. It will seem totally real. These dream recalls stop when the emotions get too strong, especially when we see how much we hurt a present life loved one int that timeline. We may cry in these dreams, and when we wake up there wont be tears even though the heart rate will be 200 plus.

I have seen myself kill others savagely in a warrior lifeline. It was an assasination attempt of my king. I was his general. The clothing was like early iron age. It was a buffet, all guests were unarmed and a dozen or so assassins leapt in. I caught a sword with my palms, twisted it out, palms bleeding, and once I held it, the assassins stepped back, there was fear. I was towering above them, they looked like pygmies. The present me wanted to run away, but the other me cut the assassins as if they were mannequins. I could not see further, I woke up.

Even today this recall is as fresh as an immediate event. All thru the recall I was thinking, "How could I be doing this? How could I be doing this..."
This is one of more than 17 recalls. Others far too macabre to mention. Vietnam for instance. Thats where I was told that a child who died in a napalm bombing would be born as my nephew. That my brother in this life was a son lost in America.
As if to confirm the recall, it was that year
that my brother left for the US.

Sometimes I think, can others manage to know the exact details of past lifelines, or will it drive them insane? It is aid premature Kundalini does just that, drives peoplpe insane not because of the energy but because they see in a instant all their past life crimes.

posted January 09, 2010 02:37 PM         

So, he doesn't listen to his higher self and his soul - he is still listening to EGO. I am beyond EGO as i have been intune with spirit since my birth - he hasn't.

On another level, he will be more evolved than me - probably on a compassion level so now i catch up on that level by having compassion for his decision and allowing him to do what he has to do.

posted January 09, 2010 02:40 PM         

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is it possible that one will be ready and not the other? after all they are TWINS, are they not on a parallel evolution? what i'm asking i guess, is how can one be sure it is the OTHER person who needs to work on themselves and not ourself? if we are part of the same soul?

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This is something that I did not realize for the longest time! For many years I have been at a level of consciousness where I was no longer consumed with the desire for material things. I had overcome the temptations of the flesh and sensuality. Any kind of sexual or emotional manipulation used would have no effect on me because it couldn't reach me. I was very proud of my accomplishment and likely I had developed a bit of arrogance about it.

Suddenly, this Twin Flame experience happens and I am affected, deeply affected. No one in my life has ever reached me in such a profound way. As I said before, it is as though she has access to areas and parts within me where only God should be allowed to go, so to speak. This made me feel very uncomfortable and nervous because any ego defense that I had learned to use would immediately dissolve in her presence and I was naked as I stood before her. In fact, I would feel so exposed that I wouldn't even want to see her while other people were present, as I felt that they would also notice my extreme vulnerability. This was scary!

I mention all of this to lead back to Katatonic's point. What I would soon realize from this is that yes, I had overcome lust and materialism externally, but I still had not learned "Unconditional Love" internally and now it seemed the time had come for me to do so.

posted January 09, 2010 02:52 PM         

After all, soul goes beyond sex.

A sexual preference for a certain sex whether it's the opposite sex or the same could be connected to the ego and have nothing to do with the soul.

If we stopped identifying with form in regards to how we view ourselves as male or female, maybe we are more likely to attract our soulmates,twin flames no matter what sex they are.

I think that a lot of people that want to be with their soulmates,twinflames are more likely to be heterosexual people that just want that "perfect" relationship with the opposite sex.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 09, 2010 03:05 PM         

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So tell me, what is the 4th Dimension to you? Or does it even exist for you?

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I'm sorry, but I cannot buy into the way that dimensions are being described by many of you. A dimension is not a place, it is means of measuring the extent of something. As I have said, If your only confirmation of something is how you feel, how can what you say be viewed as credible? I have read books about astral travel and I have even had lucid dreams, but this is no indication of traveling to any actual place. These things are imaginary; images created by my subconscious mind while I sleep.

The reason why I seek objective proof is because subjective feelings may have no basis in reality and if they don't, how can they have any value in a quest for the truth. A person could be mentally or psychologically imbalanced or ill and feel things that are complete fantasy and fabrication, but since their mind is dysfunctional, they believe in it and have no way of knowing that it is false. If we believe in it, then mental illness can potentially be spread to others, moving us in the direction away from greater enlightenment.

Don't let what you read about convince you that you have experienced something you actually have not. What you read may be fiction and cannot actually occur in reality. I am here to seek the truth, nothing more and nothing less. Dimensions are levels of conscious awareness. They do not permit you to fly a break cosmic laws as Will Smith did in the movie Hancock. That didn't have anything to do with consciousness, that was physical. What you can imagine being done in your mind cannot be done by breaking the law of reality, only by following it.

posted January 09, 2010 03:16 PM         

I am in agreement with you.

I believe that discernment and just plain common sense are important to understand reality.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 09, 2010 03:16 PM         

"The reason why I seek objective proof is because subjective feels may have no basis in reality and if it doesn't, how can it have any value in a quest for the truth. a person could be mentally or psychologically imbalanced or ill and feel things that are complete fantasy and fabrication, but since their mind is dysfunctional, they believe in it and have no way of knowing that it is false. If we believe in it, then mental illness can potentially be spread to others, moving us in the direction away from greater enlightenment."

I agree. (I can`t believe how often I agreed with you in these last days ).

I think that is the shadow side of spiritual experiences, or what we perceive to be spiritual.

We may be absolutely right, and everything may be the pure truth, but we don`t actually KNOW.
Yes, we can feel it inside, with so much certainty, without the shadow of a doubt.
But then those people who commit murder in the name of God or the devil or some minor demon, also believe without a doubt in their own perception of reality.
From a certain degree on such a conviction can be really destructive, to themselves, and others around them.

On the other hand we cant do anything but followr our Higher Selves, our own perception of truth.

Personally I just try to stay open to the possibilities that others may perceive things a different way, and trying to keep in mind, that all this happens on my subjective level, but is not an objective truth (or if it is the objective truth, then we cannot really know, as we can never be really objective ourselves. Just to clarify by objective / subjective I mean: a) subjective: see from an internal perspective
b) objective: see from an external perspective)

Glaucus,

I agree with you.

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the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 09, 2010 03:28 PM         

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Do any of you think that your soulmates,twin flames could be the same sex as you.
After all, soul goes beyond sex.

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Maybe, but I doubt it and here is why. The entire argument for homosexuality is based on a flaw in the interpretation of heterosexuality: That sex and sexuality are designed for sensual pleasure and the enjoyment of the two parties who are in love. This is false! Sex is designed for reproduction and the propagation of the species and the pleasure or enjoyment we derive from it is to insure that we do so. In homosexual relationships reproduction is not possible and if everyone suddenly became homosexual the human race would quickly become extinct.

Twin Flames are about our Higher Selves or elevated levels of consciousness allowing us to transcend the confusion that comes with ego gratification. I am not saying that homosexual relationships are devoid of authentic love, but their coming together does not serve to propagate the species. Hmmmm... Maybe their purpose is to help regulate it and control population expansion. That would serve the greater good.

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If we stopped identifying with form in regards to how we view ourselves as male or female, maybe we are more likely to attract our soulmates,twin flames no matter what sex they are.

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We are what we are for a reason and to simply ignore it will only make one ignorant.

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I think that a lot of people that want to be with their soulmates,twinflames are more likely to be heterosexual people that just want that "perfect" relationship with the opposite sex.

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Glaucus, you are right and those who pursue it in this fashion are completely misdirected. I would say the key is to not seek a relationship with a significant other at all and to let your focus be on your own growth and development and just see where it takes you.

posted January 09, 2010 03:34 PM         

They are absolutely not places!!! They are energetics - parallels - levels of energy that we live by through the Higher Self.

posted January 09, 2010 03:47 PM         

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Personally I just try to stay open to the possibilities that others may perceive things a different way, and trying to keep in mind, that all this happens on my subjective level, but is not an objective truth (or if it is the objective truth, then we cannot really know, as we can never be really objective ourselves. Just to clarify by objective / subjective I mean: a) subjective: see from an internal perspective
b) objective: see from an external perspective)

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Yes, but if we are honest and sincere, with ourselves as well as others, we may be able to discover an objective truth through the consistency and commonality of what we all collectively experience. If someone unknowingly lies because they have not verified their own information, or if they deliberately deceive for whatever reason they may have, it destroys the entire process making the truth that much more difficult to discern for the other parties involved.

posted January 09, 2010 03:52 PM         

Yes, but if we are honest and sincere, with ourselves as well as others, we may be able to discover an objective truth through the consistency and commonality of what we all collectively experience. If someone unknowingly lies because they have not verified their own information, or if the deliberately deceive for whatever reason they may have, it destroys the entire process making the truth that much more difficult to discern for the other parties involved.
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I agree completly with that statement

as with me it hurts to hear John say that someone else is his true soulmate when heaven has said that the relationship is karmic and to hear her say he is my one and only. and yet I know from the Angels and God himself that we are soulmates and When I say that to others who are not open they laugh at me. I don't know why it bothers me so much I think it is just that I want the truth and feel that the truth should be told though through compassion I just carry it with me and try to move on even though it hurts me for some reason.