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tgem
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posted April 23, 2013 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have met a soulmate 3 years ago who I have fallen deeply in love with. However we met at a time when we could not pursue a relationship.

Our synastry shows we are fated to be partners:
His name asteroid exactly trine my DSC
His name asteroid directly opposite my Groom asteroid
Union trine union exact
My name asteroid squares his Briede asteroid
My Groom asteroid conjunct his NN
MY name asteroid conjunct his NN

We have a lot of Karma and I was told we very likely were husband and wife in a past life. I know there is always the idea of free will in astrology, but with such strong aspects in synastry, how does fate play in?

What are the chances we would end up together in this lifetime? I guess I'm just looking to see which plays out stronger: fate or free-will...

Any thoughts?

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posted April 23, 2013 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm kind of torn on the subject..

At one point I believe the meetings are fated,and the outcomes are free will... If 2 people really want to be together they wouldn't let anything stop them. The choice itself is free will..

On the other hand, when 2 people have chosen not to be together for what ever reason... I think well it wasn't meant to be....

Shrug.... I dunno... What the answer is..
But I strongly believe in both...

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posted April 23, 2013 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for unforgiven_soul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Throught all these years my experience showed me that fate wins. I've tried hard several times for things or relationships I wanted and they never worked. And some other things come into my life so easily. We just have the opportunity to play with our free-will so it doesn't get boring...

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posted April 24, 2013 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's all your thoughts on soulmates coming into your life after some sort of tragedy to assist in smooth sailing? I have read God brings soulmates into our lives when we are physically, mentally and emotionally ready....does anyone have experience with this sort of thing happening?

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posted April 27, 2013 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for foxxyxo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i feel like you can always kinda sense if somebody is ready to be loved. usually comes with maturity i feel and relaxing more, not having such a big ego. ego seriously kills it all, nobody can ever get close to somebody who has the ego the size of africa

well this is my input.....if its meant to be, even for soulmates to be with eachother just for awhile, it will happen....my mom goes to this very gifted psychic (you have to book with her a year in advance because she is that popular) anyways this psychic has been 100% correct about everything from past, present, to future when it eventually comes....she says that most of our life is fate but there are times when we reach a crossroads and by our decisions we make, we change our life paths completely. now if you have a soulmate wanting to be with you but its difficult, itll happen if both of you are willing to work for it!!!! soulmates usually are extremely compelled to be with eachother so if you find ur long distance now and are tryin to make effort to see eachother, you guys are prob soulmates. like who does that? seriously hahah most people would think your crazy or lonely or retarded. but with soulmates, you just cant explain

anyways, the psychic this time around said theres a guy that somebody (me) is going to see in the future, its a future link, and she described where he lived exactly!!!!! so i know shes talking about the guy who im talking to now!!! crazy right?!?!

we have venus conjunct NN..future lovvvveeee

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posted April 28, 2013 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SDragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fate is what happens to you when you unconsciously live without awareness, thereby limiting true free will.

Free will is the choices you make with awareness and the understanding that all is fate.

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posted April 29, 2013 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by foxxyxo:
i feel like you can always kinda sense if somebody is ready to be loved. usually comes with maturity i feel and relaxing more, not having such a big ego. ego seriously kills it all, nobody can ever get close to somebody who has the ego the size of africa

well this is my input.....if its meant to be, even for soulmates to be with eachother just for awhile, it will happen....my mom goes to this very gifted psychic (you have to book with her a year in advance because she is that popular) anyways this psychic has been 100% correct about everything from past, present, to future when it eventually comes....she says that most of our life is fate but there are times when we reach a crossroads and by our decisions we make, we change our life paths completely. now if you have a soulmate wanting to be with you but its difficult, itll happen if both of you are willing to work for it!!!! soulmates usually are extremely compelled to be with eachother so if you find ur long distance now and are tryin to make effort to see eachother, you guys are prob soulmates. like who does that? seriously hahah most people would think your crazy or lonely or retarded. but with soulmates, you just cant explain

anyways, the psychic this time around said theres a guy that somebody (me) is going to see in the future, its a future link, and she described where he lived exactly!!!!! so i know shes talking about the guy who im talking to now!!! crazy right?!?!

we have venus conjunct NN..future lovvvveeee



I agree, I think for soulmates to be together, the ego has to be put aside. So what happens when soulmates meet and we're both married? Why would fate have us meet at a time under such difficult circumstances? And if we're not meant to be together, why such strong fated aspects in the synastry? It's driving me nuts- I just don't know what to do...I feel sooooo torn! I'd ask for the name of that psychic but I think waiting a year is a bit long

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posted April 30, 2013 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for foxxyxo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hm wellllllll, are you going through a hard time in your marriage? or did you meet this guy kinda out of the blue? they say soulmates pop up at the most least expected times, or when your going through a very hard time in life. If you have kids this could get extremely tricky. maybe you feel like you've outgrown your husband and want to grow more?

definately check your Node aspects with your hubby and this new guy!!! could explain a lottt

with my "boyfriend" now we have SN synastry, and i met someone new who i have NN synastry with. ive been feeling for awhile that i've outgrown my "boyfriend" and i really wanna adventure on to this new relationship!. NN is suppose to be the best, you feel like it pulls you forward instead of feeling content.

each soulmate relationship we have helps us grow. Honestly i can empathize with how you feel, never been in a situation like that but i can imagine that is sooooo hard!!!! just give it some time, id say keep talking to this new guy but keep it more on a friendly basis and see if it stands the test of time and let yourself have time to really think about whether its worth it or not to divorce or whatever yaknow? cause even sometimes soulmate relationships are rough!!! you don't wanna leave your hubby and then be like oh **** lol definately weigh the positives and negatives here. is he really worth it? what have his past relationships been like? stuff like that

is it just asteroids too that aspect? i hardly ever look at asteroids in synastry lol i look at that the verrrrrrry last, it just a little sugar on top lol are there any other significant aspects?

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posted April 30, 2013 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for replying Foxxyxo, this guy and I have other planetary soulmate aspects as well, I just included the asteroids to give some flavor of the synastry.

We met after my husband and I went through a medical tragedy with our only son and I fell victim to being neglected in the marriage, becoming secondary to his career. The additional circumstances around how we met are beyond the scope of just being mere coincidental.

Guy's mercury tightly squares my NN. My ASC trines his NN. No SN synastry.

My husbands MC trines my NN, my moon trines his NN and my jupiter squares his NN. No SN synastry.

I put this guy's synastry up to show you the planetary aspects. Bottom line - I feel very compelled to explore a relationship with this man, although we haven't spoken in quite some time. I actually have separated from my husband due to the neglect.
http://m1298.photobucket.com/albumview/album s/tgem1/astro_61gw_01_02_tau_cusp_he54503234521_zps348cd5e1-1_zpsd04ba203.jpg.html?o=5


Thanks for your thoughts on this- insight always helps!

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posted May 01, 2013 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for foxxyxo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
o wow, then what are you waiting for?!?! go after him!!!!! if his still in his other relationship though this could get tricky, he'll have to make that decision for sure in time. if you guys are meant to be, it will be, your still talking to each other so this is a good sign, soulmates have a "knowing" with eachother, like they just your always going to be there for them so this may make him very slow in his decision making, maybe you have to be the one to set a boundry with him and see what happens....how he reacts to that will tell you where he stands between you two...

i'll definately take a look at your charts!

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posted May 02, 2013 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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tgem
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posted May 03, 2013 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much for the replies...I appreciate all the insight!!

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posted May 07, 2013 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tgem:
What's all your thoughts on soulmates coming into your life after some sort of tragedy to assist in smooth sailing? I have read God brings soulmates into our lives when we are physically, mentally and emotionally ready....does anyone have experience with this sort of thing happening?


Yes I believe soul mates come into our lives at a specific time, when they are some how needed..
Sometimes, it's short term just to kick ur butt into gear, sometimes it's longer to resolve some sort of karma..

I will share what I think is a short term soulmate story...

I don't have any aspects for the life of me, I can't remember his bday.. I just remember he's an Aries, his birthday is in early April.

I was at one if the worst times in my life, I was 20 with a 1yr old, I had just left the physically abusive relationship....
I was living in a hotel, with barely enough money to cover the room.. Struggling..
My mom had gotten into drugs.. And was basically useless.. I had no where to go.

I was extremely down on my self, from all of the physically and mental abuse I went through, plus I was struggling to survive and take care of my daughter.

I wanted nothing to do with men, or relationships... I was stuck, and not sure how to get my self out of this hotel... No job, no nothing, no self esteem...

My friends invited me to go to a wedding, to get away for a bit...
I didn't really want to go, but felt I needed some time just to forget...
So I went..

The wedding was pretty boring, we stayed for a while...
One if my friends said, lets just go back to my house and kick back in the garage and drink..
So we left....
Right when we were about to pull away, a car full of guys appeared... They talked to us, we told them where we were going... ( I was driving that night)
So they followed us back to my friends..
All my friends were in ahhhhhhh over this one guy... But not me, I saw this other guy, my eyes just locked on to him... I was immediately fascinated with him.. I could feel the gulp in my throat...

I felt odd about it, so I didn't really pay much attention to him... I tried not to stare.. Lol...
But I kept looking at him with the corner of my eye..never speaking to him directly I was only talking to the group.

A while later, one of my friends asked me to take her home... I said yes... We got up, she said I'm going home.. I said I'll be back going to drop her off..

That guy stood up and his very first words to me were "I'm going with you!!!!!" And he looked me dead in my eyes.. ( ha ha Aries)
I said ok...
We left,when we got to my car, someone had broken all the windows on my car, and on all the cars on the block.. I think my knees buckled...
I was devasted, with everything else going on, how in the world was I going to get new windows...
I broke down and just cried.. I couldn't take anymore.
He (a stranger basically) he hugged me... (him not knowing what else I was going through)
He said, it's ok.... It will just work out... He comforted me..

We took my friend home, and me and him spent an hour or so cleaning up all the glass...

We went back to my friends, and we talked all night..
At the end of the night, he asked me for my number, I didn't want to give it to him, cuz I was at a hotel and I was embarrassed... You have to go through the front desk to get the room..
I thought how can I tell this man, I'm homeless..
I was to ashamed to give him my number.
So I said, give me your number, I'll call u...

I called him,we set up plans to go out... He picked me up at a friends house..
I went to get in the car, I reached for the door, he said what are u doing?
I said I'm getting in the car, (ill never forget what he said)
He said look I'm the man, and it's up to me to show u respect and open the door for such a beauty.. He said a true man will show respect, haven't you been shown respect before????
I said, I don't think so....

We continued to date and go out, each time he showed me how your truly suppose to be treated, not only as a female, but as a person... He gave me my self esteem back, and the strength to get my butt in gear to get out of the hotel..
I did tell him, my whole story, the abuse,me being homeless... Everything....
He guided me to a new path of self discovery....

After about 2 months it ended between us, but it was necessary for it to end, so I can move forward with getting myself together...

When it ended, I was sad, I felt the loss, and I didn't want to be in the hotel anymore.. I didn't want to live that way...
I got my butt in gear and got the heck out of that h e l l hole of a hotel...

I still cherish this man, I cherish what he did for me, and him showing me the light..
That your not "suppose" to be abused or treated bad, there ARE men in this world that don't treat women like that... He gave me my faith back...
I've never let anyone abuse me ever again, and I am no ones victim..


The way I see it
He found me wondering in the tunnel of darkness, he came along held my hand, and showed me the way out of the tunnel.. He took me to the light at the end of the tunnel, he stayed with me until I reached the light..
Once I came out of the tunnel, I saw birds and bees, trees, and rainbows...
I saw a whole new world... Besides what was in the tunnel of darkness.
Then I turned to look for him and he vanished into thin air, cuz he had done his job, what he was meant to do...

Maybe it's delusional, but that's ok... I need that...

My knight in shinning armor!!

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posted May 08, 2013 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarryEyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow- amazing story Lioness

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posted May 08, 2013 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lioness, that was so beautiful! Thank you for sharing!! What a perfect example/answer to my question.

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posted May 08, 2013 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you..

That was over 20 years ago...

I never saw or spoke to him again...
But that's ok.. I dont need to anymore.

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posted May 08, 2013 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To me that relationship is a perfect example of a soulmate...

You meet at a specific time, come together, teach learn clear karma, transform and move on...

What ever the purpose is, once that is accomplished the relationship will end..

Of corse, some soulmates are meant to stay in our live for many many years... Maybe those are heavy karma or have an even deeper purpose.

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posted May 08, 2013 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nm

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