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Single Cancer
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posted August 22, 2013 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Single Cancer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi everyone,

I need help or some kind of advice on trying to figure out what's going on in the mind of my Sagittarius man.

We met in May. He first initiated contact and although I had just come out of a long term relationship which ended very badly, I wasn't looking for another man. But he swept me off my feet with his words and told me how lucky he was to have met me and that he hoped I was the one he'd been looking for.

He is divorced, 18months prior, after 12years of marriage and no children. I have one child. He told me he was looking for a relationship because he missed sharing with someone else and the fact I had a child didn't bother him. Infact on our first date my son (5yrs old) came too.

He worked overseas in a remote location so for the next few weeks we emailed, Whatsapped and chatted all day long....I have hundreds of emails from that time.

Our 2nd date he flew me to another city for the night. All was well. We didn't sleep together.

Fast forward to July. He went on a 4week holiday to Europe. Before he left we spent the night. Whilst he was away we messaged everday. He came back and we went away for 5days. He was a little wierd but still affectionate and loving. When we got back he didn't contact for a few days. His excuse....he needed time!!! And he was confused.

A week ago before he left for his job 5 hours away he said although he enjoys spending time eith me he's not feeling it. Then he texts and says he felt I was wanting more than he could offer and felt i was going too fast fir him. Then another message saying he'd prefer a casual but exclusive relationship. ...so confusing. Now it's been a week and he hasn't replied to any messages I've sent.

I love him to bits but this is just ridiculous. Should I give him the space?? He's not very forthcoming in being open with me..but I feel he's the one.

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Lyrica
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posted August 22, 2013 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lyrica     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From what you describe this guy sounds like he wants you to be monogamous with him but he still has reservations and is on the lookout for something better (in his mind). Can you mentally and emotionally stand this kind of relationship?

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Randall
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posted August 22, 2013 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome!

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Single Cancer
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posted August 22, 2013 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Single Cancer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Randall

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Odette
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posted August 22, 2013 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think he just doesn't want to have conversations about the future, like: "where is this going?" - "are you going to be my son's future step dad?" - "do you see us being together forever?"

By 'casual' - he probably just means more easy-going.. not so serious. So you can still be together - one on one - and see if it works out long term, but without expectations that this will be a permanent or very serious thing. It may or may not be - I think he just wants to go with the flow.
Maybe he thinks you are more serious about things and doesn't want to lead you on.

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Odette
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posted August 22, 2013 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I strongly disagree that the reason is that he is on the lookout for something better.
Fire signs need space just because they do.. not because they are looking for someone else.
He only got out of a long marriage a year ago. He probably just wants something more happy and fun for now - where you are not in each others faces all the time.

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Single Cancer
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posted August 22, 2013 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Single Cancer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Odette....

He claimed right from the start he had no problem being a step dad and as late as last week said my son wasn't an issue.

We both spoke of wanting the same things ie marriage, kids, a future together right from day 1, so I don't understand his sudden change of heart except that he is scared things are progressing too quickly an he needs time out to catch his breath.

Why does he ignore all my attempts at communication?? That's the hardest to deal with!! I told him I'd give him all the time he needs but he's taken it a bit too far I think.

WHY DOES LOVE HAVE TO BE SOOO COMPLICATED!!!

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Haplesschild*
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posted August 23, 2013 06:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Haplesschild*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saying, feeling and doing are different things. This guy got out of a MARRIAGE only a year ago...seriously slow down
You met in May, it really hasnt been long at all. I think you shouldnt rush the I love yous and imo you're being slightly needy. I would feel very overwhelmed.

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Single Cancer
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posted August 23, 2013 06:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Single Cancer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes he divorced 18months ago but was separated long before that. Makes no difference I know.

I only just got out of a 10year relationship in Feb so yes, he did kinda sweep me off my feet when I was vulnerable.

I haven't told him 'I love you' although he does know I like him alot. We don't see each all that much as he works 5 hours away 3weeks on and one week off.

I'm just confused, he has been single much longer than I have...maybe he still wants to play the field????

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ScorpionAz
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posted August 23, 2013 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpionAz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like he put it on the fast track ... then jumped off the train.

Anyway, his behavior is typical. He feels crowded. Things are going too fast for his comfort level. And of course he'd like a "casual but exclusive relationship". My translation of that: He doesn't want you to date and find something better while he takes his sweet time making up his mind (while he keeps his possibilities open as well). Casual and Exclusive do not belong in the same sentence. IMO

The more you withdraw from him, the better. STOP messaging him. STOP chasing. Let him do the pursuing. YOU have already made your intentions clear. Ball is in his court. If a man wants to be with you, he will move freakin' MOUNTAINS to be with you. You'll never doubt if they want you. If he felt you were the one, he would not let you get away! What you put up with --- you end up with. Let him know that "casual" is not what you want and when he's ready for a real relationship, then look you up. Make it clear you have no time or tolerance for games or wishy-washy men who cannot make up their minds. Ever heard of that saying: If you love something, set it free .... ?

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libraschoice77
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posted August 23, 2013 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Theres a saying from the show Sex and The City...if someone really cares about you nothing can keep them away, and if they dont love you nothing can make them stay.

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Hera
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posted August 23, 2013 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ScorpionAz:

The more you withdraw from him, the better. STOP messaging him. STOP chasing. Let him do the pursuing. YOU have already made your intentions clear. Ball is in his court. If a man wants to be with you, he will move freakin' MOUNTAINS to be with you. You'll never doubt if they want you. If he felt you were the one, he would not let you get away! What you put up with --- you end up with. Let him know that "casual" is not what you want and when he's ready for a real relationship, then look you up. Make it clear you have no time or tolerance for games or wishy-washy men who cannot make up their minds. Ever heard of that saying: If you love something, set it free .... ?

This.. coming from a Scorpio?? My my, aren't you the Eagle/Phoenix type! Impressive and, may I say, rara avis.

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ScorpionAz
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posted August 23, 2013 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpionAz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hera ... I don't know what "eagle/phoenix" type means? lol
Still new to this stuff.

Anyway, I've dealt with many men just like this one. I attract them like a magnet, usually the emotionally unavailable types with commitment issues. Now the guy she's talking about just got out of a marriage so I understand his hesitation but if you're not ready then don't date! Don't waste someone's time acting like you want a relationship one minute but a scared puppy the next. Men .. and all that "space" many seem to need! No offense to the guys on here but it can get annoying. LOL And I just got out of a relationship with an Aquarius, who was the King when it came to needing space & freedom. I could have been on the opposite side of the globe & it wouldn't have been enough for him. Never met anyone quite as bad as that. Ha! I just don't understand the Aquarian way. Never will.

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Single Cancer
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posted August 23, 2013 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Single Cancer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks everyone.....

I have stopped messaging him and left him alone. I'm letting him have his space to do as he pleases and not bothering him.

I am also NOT going to go running back if he calls and wants to 'hook up'. I think I deserve better than that.

And yes...men will move mountains if they want to be with you....which is what he was like in the beginning. Now I'm beginning to think he just played me I guess.

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ScorpionAz
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posted August 23, 2013 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpionAz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Single Cancer:
Thanks everyone.....

I have stopped messaging him and left him alone. I'm letting him have his space to do as he pleases and not bothering him.

I am also NOT going to go running back if he calls and wants to 'hook up'. I think I deserve better than that.

And yes...men will move mountains if they want to be with you....which is what he was like in the beginning. Now I'm beginning to think he just played me I guess.


Yes you do deserve better. He was clearly into you at first but he got scared. I don't think he was out to play you, based on what you said. I just think it's bad timing.
Que Sera Sera ...

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HRH-FishAreFish
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posted August 23, 2013 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HRH-FishAreFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would have to go along with ScorpionAz's sound advice.

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Single Cancer
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posted August 23, 2013 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Single Cancer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hera....I also don't understand the Phoenix/eagle type...can you elaborate more on that please?

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Single Cancer
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posted August 23, 2013 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Single Cancer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I lived in the same house with my ex for a year after we seperated, til I moved out, because of our son and was celibate and didn't date anyone until I moved States and met this man...this is exactly why I didn't want to get involved with men again after my ex!!
Sorry to all you men out there that are the exception.

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ScorpionAz
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posted August 23, 2013 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpionAz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another Sex and the City reference ...

Men are like cabs. When they're ready to get married, they turn their light on. The next woman they pick up ... boom! They marry.

As simplified as this is, I really do think it's all about timing. I know that doesn't help much when it feels like your heart has just been ripped out with a gardening claw, which is how I've been feeling lately but .... but it is what it is.

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Haplesschild*
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posted August 23, 2013 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Haplesschild*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He never played you. He just wants to take it slow and not rush things. I think it's smart and the mature approach.

Rushing being serious after such a short time only backfires most of the time.

Back off and if he contacts you, relax more around him. Right now, reading your posts, I can sense how much you're putting into him, and it's not necessary.

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Single Cancer
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posted August 23, 2013 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Single Cancer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Hapless...

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Hera
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posted August 23, 2013 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ScorpionAz:
Hera ... I don't know what "eagle/phoenix" type means? lol
Still new to this stuff.


Oh, I was referring to the 3 symbols of the Scorpio sign: the scorpion, the eagle and the phoenix. The scorpion is the least evolved of the 3, is set on survival and primal instincts. The eagle has learned to distance him/herself from all these but not all the time, whereas the phoenix was reborn from the ashes of all his/her flaws. Phoenix types of Scorpio are methinks the rarest and most awesome to witness. They are healers instead of destructive and vindictive like the scorpion.

You seem like a very wise woman and reminded me of this. Oh and I like your chart! Definitely not an easy one, but it's beautiful.

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ScorpionAz
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posted August 24, 2013 07:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpionAz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hera:
Oh, I was referring to the 3 symbols of the Scorpio sign: the scorpion, the eagle and the phoenix. The scorpion is the least evolved of the 3, is set on survival and primal instincts. The eagle has learned to distance him/herself from all these but not all the time, whereas the phoenix was reborn from the ashes of all his/her flaws. Phoenix types of Scorpio are methinks the rarest and most awesome to witness. They are healers instead of destructive and vindictive like the scorpion.

You seem like a very wise woman and reminded me of this. Oh and I like your chart! Definitely not an easy one, but it's beautiful.


Interesting stuff! I have much to learn! I wish I could read my chart like others can but someday I hope! I can definitely relate to the eagle and phoenix, in more ways than I can really explain here. I know scorpios have the reputation of being vindictive but that's really not me .. not even to the people who truly deserved it. Revenge serves no purpose and only made me feel worse. I can, however, be a manipulative, sarcastic, scathing B**** who just doesn't know when to stop. "Obsessive" is my middle name! There's a major scorpio trait right there. I think I hold the patent on it! Words are usually my weapon though. And I do have a temper. Someone hurts me bad enough and that stinger comes out fast. A scorpion with a pen in hand though, since I have a hard time facing someone when I'm angry. I see red but it goes away pretty quickly. I have a hard time forgiving people who've wronged me. I hold grudges. I know that's not a good thing .... I do eventually but it takes YEARS. I tell myself that anger is baggage and I'm only hurting myself in the long run. Giving that person power over me! It's been so bad in the past (especially after getting out of an abusive relationship) that I literally felt like it was eating me from the inside out. Let's just say I'm gradually getting better in how I handle it. Trying not let other people's messed up actions effect MY moods and feelings. I'M in better control of ME! Still have a long way to go though!

But Anyway! I'm especially hard on myself, particularly if I let a man hurt me ("Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, Shame on me"). The hardest one to forgive is myself. However, in relationships, I'm normally very unassertive and not confrontational which kinda makes me crazy about myself, always trying to keep the peace and making myself miserable in the process ... and also tired of being a pushover, especially to men. Stupid me .. always trying to be understanding and patient. Keep the peace. Keep my mouth shut .. until I EXPLODE. Then watch out! LOL But that's just one of many things I am trying to improve upon. Always a work in progress .... building myself up, so others cannot tear me down so easily!

Anyway, sorry to talk your ear off. I can't sleep tonight but I do thank you for the compliment. Not exactly sure what you mean since I can't read my own chart but I have some idea. I feel pretty emotional, intense and complicated, to the point of making myself crazy at times. It can get exhausting inside my head. Is that what you meant by "not an easy one"? It's no wonder men have never understood me ... or could handle me. It takes a strong man to handle a "handful" of woman like me. LOL Can't really blame them. I can barely understand myself or handle myself. Ha!


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libraschoice77
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posted August 24, 2013 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ScorpionAz:
Another Sex and the City reference ...

Men are like cabs. When they're ready to get married, they turn their light on. The next woman they pick up ... boom! They marry.

As simplified as this is, I really do think it's all about timing. I know that doesn't help much when it feels like your heart has just been ripped out with a gardening claw, which is how I've been feeling lately but .... but it is what it is.

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http://tinyurl.com/ScorpioSun


Use to love that show and the quotes, Carrie Bradshaw wisdom lol

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MetalAphrodite
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posted August 27, 2013 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MetalAphrodite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm dating a Sag and we're having the same problems. I told him I don't like when he disappears for days and have taken to backing off and mentally electrocuting him to get him off me.

After three days of intense debating, we're still together. Go figure lol.

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