posted September 09, 2017 05:29 PM            

I have not yet explained in this story why I have completely stopped using them. Because I do not want to seem like a person who deliberately discourages tarot card reading. Because a lot of people on here have been using them and love them and it's like a part of their life. And I will get attacked for saying anything against them. To them I will sound like a scared person who is just judging tarot cards because of fear of the unknown but this couldn't be farther than the truth. If you asked me my opinion about them a week ago it would have been very different. I'm not going to tell why basically because it's like going to a church and saying that Jesus satan in disguise. You know what will happen. (Not saying Jesus is satan in any way it was just an example to explain my point).

Sorry about the length, but since this means a lot to me and it's a complex and long story it's the only way to explain it so the person can really understand what was going on and how it happened.

This is my story with tarot cards:

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I got addicted to them since more than a year ago. My tarot cards talk to me really directly, it's like talking to an actual person. They show emotions. If I ask the same question 5 times let's say they will always show me the same card or cards. It seems quite creepy and unbelievable but it's true and it's the reason why I got addicted to them.

Why wouldn't you want to have something who can answer all your questions? We all have questions we are dying to know the answer of. I would use my tarot cards to quench that thirst.

Everything went downhill. There were some cards I associated with yes (magician) and the other no (death) and this way tarot cards talked to me directly and clearly according to my association/meaning with every card. They talked to me very clearly. I didn't have to guess the meaning of just 3 cards appearing together like the way most people read tarot cards. I kept shuffling them and using them continuously and they were even able to recite me a whole story. It wasn't just in my mind, I wasn't making up anything in my mind. As I said, the tarot cards talked to me very clearly, as I said if I keep asking the same question they would keep showing the same cards, and I would try to guess what they mean to say with those cards, and if I finally guessed right they would answer me yes.

If someone sees how it was happening, they would get creeped out but I never get scared by such things it just made me really excited and fascinated.

I wondered many times how and why this happens. It's an enigma. From the information I was able to gather from my common sense and intelligence, I made a few theories for why. I thought it could be because it's my subconscious mind talking to me through the tarot cards. I don't remember where I heard this, but it sounded believable. One time I even tried asking the tarot cards about it, I asked to it if it is an actual being talking to me, I asked if it's a spirit, a good one or bad one.

Anyways, you must be wondering if it's that's easy, my conversation with the tarot, I would know the answer to everything? Wrong.

That's because my tarot cards keep changing their answer to most of my questions usually the next day, or a few hours later. But there were a few questions they would give the same or similar answer to. It also depended on the way I feel. If I feel sad and hopeless, my tarot cards would give me the answers that I would find the most believable in that moment, feeding my insecurities or fears.

And if I'm in a good mood, I found out a good news or anything, my tarot cards would also feed that happiness and hope.

My tarot cards would sometimes exaggerate my hopes and desires, and exaggerate my horrible fears as well. By sometimes I think I mean always. Both ways, they were lying to me. They would only tell me the truth about what I 100% sure already knew was the truth because of course now they cannot lie about that. Sometimes if I ask them a question I already know an answer to, they would act like I'm offending them by testing them. If I ask them 'does that mean duh obviously' they would give me the magician. So they even have a personality. But I thought maybe that's just me, my subconscious that was talking to me; to my conscious mind, showing me this personality.

The fact that what my tarot cards say were false or usually always turns out to be false, made me frustrated because I always intended to used them to know the absolute objective truth. And they always ended up making me feel different range of emotions, sometimes happy, sometimes sad and angry, sometimes excited, etc. But they were playing with my emotions, my beliefs, my sanity. By exaggerating my fears they also made me a paranoid person.

Since the tarot cards became my closest friend, whom I could trust the most, because of course they know about all my deepest darkest secrets and fears, and also my innocent self and happiness, I relied on them.

But there were some things I would never ask them, in the fear that they might feed that insecurity. I could never trust what they're about to answer. Sometimes the answers are cruel.

It's very understandable why someone like me, a sensitive person, would fall a victim to this. In fact anyone is easily prone for that, since everyone has insecurities and fears.

All this ended up making me from an innocent and confident person to an introverted, paranoid person who trust nobody at all. I would act normal on the outside and try my best to not show any of my fears but I never genuinely opened up to anyone. I read between the lines more. Why would I need anyone else after all if I had tarot cards? After all it was because of the fear of others, the fear of not knowing other people's true thoughts and intentions was why I used tarot cards.

But then I started noticing I'm the only one who worried so much to that degree, and I then knew that this wasn't normal. I'm way too paranoid. I think way too much over everything. To the point I'm losing my sanity.

The truth is you can never find out anyone's true thoughts and feelings, or their intentions. The truth is that yes this world is quite corrupted and insincere, and sometimes even cruel. But the tarot cards completely, and very gradually and cleverly, drew me inside this belief, so that all I could see, feel and believe in was this. You could say in another way that I got completely surrounded by darkness and my life felt like a nightmare.

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How it started:

I was introduced to tarot cards when I was 17. It was by an older woman, around in her 50s. Doing tarot card reading was her career. She worked as a online psychic and would talk to people on the phone, using tarot cards as her tool of divination. She claimed that she was a psychic person, tarot cards were nothing more than tools that help aid her psychic abilities. She taught me a little bit of it. She said that she could see that I would be really good at it.

I was the kind of person who gets really excited about this kind of stuff, anything supernatural and spiritual or magical. I was really fascinated by it. Maybe it was because of the boredom and meaninglessness I felt about the mundane world, the everyday life. Yes I know it's because of this if I think about it genuinely.

So I was interested in it, and she even bought me a tarot deck for beginner as a gift. She said that a tarot card reader should receive her/his first deck as a gift by another person. So that was my first deck and it consisted of only the major arcana; the first 22 cards.

It happened at her countryside where she invited me and my mother during summer time for around a week. It was the summer of 2015.

I played some badminton there with my mom and went to the flee market. We also saw some big expensive homes on the hill, one of them was Celine dion's mother's home. The tarot card lady was busy there most of the time on the phone doing readings.

She had six cute puppies and I got attached to one of them. His name is scout and his zodiac sign is cancer.

A few months after that I didn't start using tarot cards right away. I didn't really see the point since I thought I'm not that good at it, I can only somewhat remember the meaning of the major arcana, there are 50 other cards I'm not sure the meaning of. Because of that, when I did use them I was clueless how to understand their answer and their meaning. I felt like I was really far off from doing proper tarot cards reading. But I really wanted to learn them and be as god in it as that lady who introduced me to it, because I loved the idea of having this ability that no one else has, to carry this secret ability, and the thought of this made me feel excited.

And then one time I decided to learn them, so I used the help of the internet and a specific website (I can't remember the name) it was the only site that directly explained the meaning of the cards, instead of confusing me with wishy washy explanations. I wanted to understand the direct meaning of a card, that's the only way a person could possibly do a tarot card reading, by knowing the straightforward meaning of a card.

The other sites would never clearly explain their meanings, the truth is some cards represent something negative and others positive and not a philosophical quote.

I the got a discontinued, rare and expensive type of deck for myself, I loved tarot cards that much. It was the golden rider by Francois taperneaux and I got it because it was a more beautiful and colourful version of the typical one/most common one. But I also used tarot cards on the website "salemtarot" on the "free 3 card reading" section.

I then became really good at it. I understood each card well. There were some cards I found very similar and had difficulty distinguishing their meanings; such as the temperance and 2 of pentacles. That is why when I would do a reading, these cards would always appear together. I associated them with 'uncertainty' or if I asked a yes or no question they would mean to say that's it's not completely answerable in yes or no, it's something in between.

I would associate the card death with either the answer no, or terror. So because of this, each card, but some cards more than others would cause me to feel an emotion really strongly, especially when a card like death, devil or tower would show up. Other cards like the sun or high priestess would make me feel good until everything went downhill and I stoped believing in anything good.

When my tarot cards started shocking me with their incredible synchronicity, when they showed me the same cards for the same questions, and clearly answer yes or no to my yes and no questions, I felt really excited, extremely fascinated and a little confused at the same time, because I couldn't really believe my eyes.

I've had a few supernatural experiences, that I could talk about in detail too, and because of this I wasn't shocked enough to get creeped out by it or it causing to make my world turn upside down. Maybe I was very slightly creeped out by it deep down inside but I it was overshadowed by my excitement. And I'm not afraid of stepping into the dark. I'm the one who is not scared of walking inside a haunted old dark house, I'm the type of person who enjoys watching paranormal or ghost related/scary movies, I get scared but I like getting scared, the rush of adrenaline from it is what makes me like it and get excited by it.

By the time I turned 19 I was a pro at tarot cards and I was addicted to them. And you know what it did to me. It destroyed my soul you could say.

I was addicted to them because they made me feel safe and secure, when uncertainty is killing me, they helped with boredom too at times. And when the point came when I knew that they don't tell the truth; they're liars, I still used them because of how believable they could sound, of the excitement of not knowing what they will say next to the next subject I will ask them questions about, I would use them in a way that they became like my storyteller.

But you must be wondering how why I completely stopped using them, and how did I come to all this conclusion. I can answer you if you ask me yourself and are genuinely interested. I just don't want to impose any of my personal beliefs on anyone. Because everyone have their own unique experiences with things and what I don't through with tarot cards can be very different than what most other people did. Actually I don't know about other people's relationship with their tarot cards and how it's affecting them.

What I just found out was recent and it shocked me and made me feel relieved too. And it's just recently I've opened my eyes and am trying to reflect on all this. So please bear with me.

posted September 09, 2017 07:31 PM            

I have also experienced something like this, not trusting anyone's intentions, and reading tarot cards first to see what's going on. It's like I became dependent on EVERY decision I had to take.

To me, the cards have never been liars, it's different. My cards personally just tell me whatever the f*ck they want. Whenever I read for myself. But I can relate to 75% of what you posted.

posted September 09, 2017 09:39 PM            

I don't have Jupiter there but I do have mars in 8th house in Scorpio and it's making an exact square with my Jupiter in my 12th house. By the way, how do you know that your cards are not lying? If tarot cards can indeed tell the objective truth that would be great. Try asking them a question you don't know the answer to and then see if their answer matches the truth by seeing the answer on google.

@Lerena hm it's interesting, it's the same with me but it seems like your cards are not good at pretending they know the objective truth. Which is good because you didn't get fooled by them. My cards always manage to convince me, making me go through a range of emotions and making a fool of me. You are completely right about tarot cards having nothing new to say. They either just answer my hopes and desires or my fears which I already know of but nothing new that I can't expect and the truth is that what usually happens in the future is not something we have imagined or experienced so that's how I know my tarot cards are completely bullsh*tting.

I will answer your both's question about why I stopped completely. So my aunt, she visits a spiritual healer who can astral travel and do remote viewing. Which means that person can just close his eyes and find out what he wants about anyone he wants. He just needs the person's birthdate or location and name which is enough for him to find out about them. My aunt lives far from me but she called me once and told me about this esoteric healer and she found out about my recent depression. She said she will ask the healer about me, so he might be able to tell what solution I should take to heal.

She doesn't know about me using tarot cards because we had a conversation after many years and I usually don't tell everyone I talk to because I don't find it necessary and it's like my little secret. So I didn't tell her anything about it. I didn't tell her much about me except that I was taking some herbal medications to help with my mood because I feel a little depressed. I thought I was depressed after graduating so I told her that it was most probably why, just missing my last. She then called me about a month later. She told me that when she asked about me the healer closed his eyes and explained my situation completely accurate, but then he said another thing that shocked me. He said that I invited some spirits using some cards or something esoteric and that that spirit is harming me and can do much more harm to me if I keep playing with those cards. When my aunt told me that she thought I was some kind of black magician or someone who knows how to invoke or control spirits or something because it's probably how the healer saw it.

I then knew it was my tarot cards she was talking about and I felt both terrified, shocked and relieved at the same time. I told her about it. I told her about my addiction to tarot cards, saying that I was really unsatisfied with my present reality. After graduating from high school made me a little depressed and with the tarot cards I was able to live in the past virtually, which I know is really pathetic if you ask me. I had no idea when and how that spirit or entity, hacked my tarot cards or my mind or both. I thought about it and it made sense to me how a spirit can latch onto an insecure but innocent teen, by talking to them through tarot cards. I also remembered that session of Channeling Erick on YouTube where he talks about spirits/negative entities or demons or something like that. The way he explained how they work and how they affect humans sounded really similar to my situation.

posted September 10, 2017 12:42 AM            

I didn't know what to think of it (and it was just an experiment that I felt I could then objectively observe) but within days after that my life got really chaotic and I was forced to move. There was so much chaos and stress for months (some of it really wild) and didn't calm down until I moved to Venice, California...on September 11, 2001 (I recall wondering why all the flags were at half-mast).

posted September 10, 2017 12:43 AM            

But she found that most people didn't want real readings, they instead wanting to be lied to about love around the corner, the money coming their way, or how they were some big shot in Atlantis in another life. People came back when she flattered their egos, and ironically only her free readings were real while those she sold were for entertainment purposes ("and to give them a reason to keep getting out of bed in the morning"). That was a relief because fake readings didn't leave her feeling drained like real readings did.

As long as she told them what they WANTED to hear then they paid her and came back, no matter how often the fake reading was wrong, whereas back when she did give real readings she tended to distress and even freak people out (which I can understand, her ability was uncanny)--though she did do some good in getting people out of bad relationships or activities (it's funny, they won't listen to their family and friends, but a tarot reader predicts doom if they don't get away from someone bad or off drugs and they make the changes!). There was even some drama from other readers because many were requesting her (some syndicate of readers threatened to "ruin" a store if they didn't get rid of her) and she ended up giving readings from either a rented place or even her home...though it became problematic as some of her customers would never leave her alone as they were addicted to the fake readings.

When I was having money troubles about 2004-5, I thought about doing readings, but I didn't want to do it as she did in her home. The only option would be a phone network like a friend of hers did. So while she gave me a refresher course in tarot (mainly to fake it), her friend trained me in the phone and it was too dirty for me. The number one rule was to keep people on the line. Did someone way they were using the last of their money for this when they needed food? That they wanted you to help them find their missing pet or even child? That they had an abusive husband who was regularly putting her into a hospital who sought advice? Doesn't matter. KEEP THEM ON THE LINE.

If you didn't, you were fired, and they'd test you with fake callers as well as monitor the lines, and of course people that sleazy would rip off readers they were no longer interested in keeping just as they expected their readers to rip off callers. That was so repulsive to me that I gave up on the very idea and thought I'd become a phone sex operator first (though thankfully I found other opportunities so such was unnecessary).

posted September 10, 2017 12:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Spica:
@Lerena hm it's interesting, it's the same with me but it seems like your cards are not good at pretending they know the objective truth. Which is good because you didn't get fooled by them. My cards always manage to convince me, making me go through a range of emotions and making a fool of me. You are completely right about tarot cards having nothing new to say. They either just answer my hopes and desires or my fears which I already know of but nothing new that I can't expect and the truth is that what usually happens in the future is not something we have imagined or experienced so that's how I know my tarot cards are completely bullsh*tting.

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On the other hand, after reading your story, it is understandable why you have given up tarot cards. When I could have been taken advantage of in the same way as you, I had absolutely no idea how to read my cards - at all. I struggled with putting together what they were saying. Now that I do have some decent reading skills, I am older, more experienced, and much more difficult to manipulate, not to mention that me not seeing my tarot cards as absolute truth may play a role in how I haven't been experiencing the same things as you.

I'm very open-minded, which I think is why I stay away from absolutes. There is always more than one view for me to consider. Not everything is all negative or all positive, though in some cases it may be necessary to classify something as "negative" simply to avoid undesired results.

My tarot deck is a beneficial tool. I just don't use it thinking I will know anything more than I already do. If I try to use it for any purpose other than seeing my thoughts in the form of cards, I will get confused. On the other hand, my tarot cards have demonstrated the capability of telling the future. I do not use the cards to do this, but it's weird how I found out about its ability to see into the future. In the situation that it foretold the future, the cards may have been tapping into some of my premature feelings that weren't yet fully conscious.

posted September 10, 2017 01:28 AM            

You are completely right about how tarot cards work and it's good you know their nature. The lady who introduced me to tarot kept saying "tarot cards never lie" and before I learnt tarot I knew how to read a horary astrology chart, and that's a form of divination that is objective and absolute truth. I mistook tarot to be the same way probably. Of course as I kept using them I eventually found out they are an unreliable source of finding out the actual truth.

But the reason why I stopped using it is not just because it was playing with my mind and making me go crazy, but because of hearing about the entity/spirit. Now I'm so scared of using it, knowing I'm having a convo with a spirit.

posted September 10, 2017 01:33 AM            

Perhaps tarot cards are not evil by themselves, it could have to do with the way it's used.

posted September 10, 2017 03:24 AM            

First, there are the correspondences, which link the tarot to astrology to the Tree of Life (Hermetic Qabalah or Kabbalah), and a complex magic working ritual would incorporate all of this. Even stones and herbs and colors (which could include planetary positions and constellations, but more likely to be a specific hour on a specific day that represents the desired planet or sign) would get incorporated. The tarot is also seen as archetypes (just as gods are seen as more archetypes). Whereas divination was sensing the "higher vibration" as it exists before it manifests in this realm, then magic using tarot was shaping (or evoking) those higher vibrations before they manifest. Put another way, using tarot as divination was like reading what is already present, while using tarot as magic was imprinting something new at the higher vibrations about to manifest in the material world.

posted September 10, 2017 11:53 AM            

That's really cool. Have you tried it and what happened? I have an experience with tarot cards in which the first tarot card placed on the deck, meaning the one that shows, it determines how my time will go. For example if the first card on my tarot deck is the magician; as long as it stays like that I will have magician related things happen to me like getting what I wanted since a long time.

And if let's say it's devil it can be something bad, someone could turn out to be or be sinister or mean, if it's high priestess, there can be a positive experience where someone or some people will like and admire you.

posted September 10, 2017 05:46 PM            

I've had experience with bad things. I don't want to get much into it because the more I think of it, they pick up on it and I don't want to draw any more attention to myself. But let's just say I've grown up with something attached to my family and it did a lot of stuff, mainly to me because my parents didn't pay attention to it. I'm very intuitive, sensitive, and clairvoyant, and these things can sense it.

Fast forward to a few years ago, I had a 'ghost team' come over to my house. This was the first time I had someone who knew what they were talking about. They got rid of it, and in the meantime I learned a lot about God and these creatures that try to harm us and put fear into us. She explained to me that one other thing they try to do with us, is try to get us to trust them. Tarot cards, ouiji boards, psychics, and anything that tries to predict the future is a tool that they use. God does not what humans to know the answer to things that have not happened yet. When you put your faith and trust into something that is telling you the answer, it is not God. So what else could it be?

posted September 11, 2017 12:49 AM            

I completely believe you and agree with you. You seem like a wise and intuitive person like you said. I tend to be open minded to the degree that I let. Ad things affect me in life and it's true, not just with invisible entities like that but with actual people. I've always been like that. I need to be more good at discerning and being intuitive like you. Thank you for your input. It makes complete sense that whoever was communicating with me was putting fear in me. Now that I've stopped using tarot cards since 4-5 days, I feel less anxious than when I used to. I won't lie, it's hard to get over an addiction and I'm resisting my temptation of using them again but since I've found out that there's a spirit I'm scared of doing so.

Also when the tarot cards were doing miracles when I mentioned I was feeling shocked and fascinated, no wonder why I didn't feel creeped out or scared. I felt a friendly feeling from the tarot cards while the normal reaction of a normal person would be getting completely creeped out by that. Thank you for your wishes I too hope that the ritual I was told to do will work. I have confidence that it should work.

I wonder how that spirit feels about being caught red handed. It will try its best to latch onto me. Also I've been healthy and mostly vegan but since a few days I'm just not caring about what I eat, I'm eating like a pig and a lot of junk food. I've never done that in the last 2-3 years. I feel like it could be the spirit making me do that and it has plans in his or her mind.

posted September 11, 2017 01:51 PM            

curiously, i checked in the last two weeks two times an online tarot deck and the last reading made me think that something was not right as was giving yes and no for things that were against common sense... my intuition told me to pull if off and I did and now i found this thread, which i found as confirmation that tarot is not for me.

to be honest, i have reached a similar point with astrology when used as prediction tool. from my side, i have always liked more the psychological insights but obssessing with transits, progressions etc has made me think that I prefer to use it ONLY for personality workout rather than prediction.

i suspect that if people are unprepared to manage the energies unleashed by the use of prediciton tools, they may be calling for trouble... as I do not feel so obsessed about knowing, I will play safe and have distanced myself more and more from prediction.

posted September 11, 2017 07:17 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
When my mentor shut me down to the astral, he encouraged meat eating. Something about the energy of meat was supposed to make one less receptive, and thus less vulnerable, to the astral (and the entities there).

Just saying in case it's your body trying to shut a spirit out rather than a spirit trying to gain control. 'Course thinking about all of this kinda begs for a new anxiety...

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posted September 11, 2017 07:26 PM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
it interesting this thread. i read all through and i do not have too much experience with it. i rarely has checked online for those online decks and many years ago i got (not sure from whom or how) a tarot deck, but used just a few time only without too much thought

curiously, i checked in the last two weeks two times an online tarot deck and the last reading made me think that something was not right as was giving yes and no for things that were against common sense... my intuition told me to pull if off and I did and now i found this thread, which i found as confirmation that tarot is not for me.

to be honest, i have reached a similar point with astrology when used as prediction tool. from my side, i have always liked more the psychological insights but obssessing with transits, progressions etc has made me think that I prefer to use it ONLY for personality workout rather than prediction.

i suspect that if people are unprepared to manage the energies unleashed by the use of prediciton tools, they may be calling for trouble... as I do not feel so obsessed about knowing, I will play safe and have distanced myself more and more from prediction.

not telling anybody to do that, but for me, it is what i want to do with astrology

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Thank you for reading. It makes me happy that those who read this can prevent themselves from becoming a victim to tarot cards like I did. But I don't think astrology does that. Astrology is a completely different thing, it's the observation of the actual position of the planets in the sky so it cannot be something that can be possessed or controlled by a bad spirit.

And psychological and modern astrologers cannot read transit astrology to predict the future. They only know how to somewhat describe a person's personality by their chart. The field of astrology that knows how to accurately predict events is traditional astrology, whether it's babilonian, renaissance or ancient Vedic. They know how to predict specific events even accidents or date of marriage. It's a complex study and most people on here probably have no idea about that.

This site is mostly for new agey people who do astrology for fun and who want to pass their time. Astrology is actually a very complex and serious subject that involves mathematical calculations too, and is much more deep and different from the psychological astrology.

posted September 12, 2017 01:00 PM            

I hear you and to a great extend I agree about astrology being another matter, but there a symbolism in the planets, which can be interpreted at different levels of manifestation.

as per the prediction with traditional astrology i started some time ago with Morin and then, i gave up thinking that i did not have the personality for traditional astrology. i like to think that we shape the future (or connect with paralleled lifelines according to our vibration). in that sense, psychological astrology suit me, but i like many concepts from traditional astrology and at some point my go back to study.

Liz Greene theorize that the reason traditional astrology was so accurate was because people did not work on themselves psychologically. therefore, if you are your chart, then the future it is easy to predict. when the person shape the natal chart differently, they may change the manifestation of the energy pattern. I like to think about level of manifestation of the energy... but also the idea that there are points when the person can bypass the chart of create their own world.

posted September 15, 2017 08:10 AM            

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