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MOONAT
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posted June 19, 2003 07:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MOONAT     Edit/Delete Message
i had the best dream that i was soaring through the sky! but it wasn't like i was just flying, it was more like i was "swimming" through the sky. i could feel the rush against my skin (which usually never happens). that wasn't the whole dream but it was the end and it was a great end.
do you think it's possible to fly? i do, if there wasn't so much negative influence, not exactly negative but gravity believing influence. kno wot i mean?
has anyone else had these kinds of dreams?
do you think it's relevant that for the past week the only way i've been able to fall asleep is to sleep with my pillow at the base of my bed? i think the old corner just got too "usual".
i just needed a good rant, hehe

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posted June 19, 2003 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mutablefire     Edit/Delete Message
When I was a child I used to have lucid dreams about flying. I wondered as well if it was possible to fly and used to test it by climbing on a chair or table or front verandah railing and jumping off, sometimes flapping my arms. Obviously it doesn't work but I sometime still have dreams about flying. It was a scary experience in the dreams as a child to be floating through the air or touching the ceiling etc but it's not scary now when I dream of flying.

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posted June 19, 2003 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome MOONAT!

Hello mutablefire!

Flying dreams are one of the best! I have some VIVID memories of this as a child, and still have them occasionally.

MOONAT, it is said that lying in the bed in a north-south position, usually with the head at the north, can help to induce altered states, especially OBEs. Any idea which way you point? Or maybe you just needed a reverse in polarity!

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posted June 20, 2003 02:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MOONAT     Edit/Delete Message
i asked my mummy, and she said according to what she knows about the position of our house, my bed is in exact north-south pointing mode .
but when i swapped ends, my head was facing south. so maybe for me it's the other way around, i can get to sleep really easily and have really nice dreams on the south pointing side.
i dunno...maybe i should investigate! lol

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" I seem to have loved you in numberless forms, numberless times,
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posted June 20, 2003 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MOONAT     Edit/Delete Message
hey again.
Ra, i didn't mean for this to be a specific dream question but ever since i have dreamt this dream (with the flying bit in it) it hasn't seemed to want to get out of my head, well this is what happened...i don't mind if it doesn't mean much or if you don't have time, but i feel i just have to "get it out there", so to speak, lol.
ok here goes...

it starts off with me at my highschool parking lot and i am in my brothers Toyota (the car which i am going to inherit from him when i turn 17 )and i start driving, then suddenly i am outside of the car looking at it, engine still on. the car then starts drviving by itself, kind of like it's actually being driven...anyway i am running after it and we go through lots and lots of streets and then somehow end up in my school's other parking lot, the car on the way has nearly collided with heaps of cars but every time i "will" it to move out of the way and i feel as though it is listening to me when it doesn't.
then i finally get it to stop by just telling it with my mind. all of a sudden i am i a super market and my mum and dad and brother are there (i can't actually see any of them, i just know they are there)and they are all telling me i am irresponcible, but i don't care.
next i am in New York City (i have never been) in Time Square (don't ask how i know this) and i have my pooch Bella in my hand and i am telling my mum to stop being irresponcible, that i don't want all the responciblity. it looks like she is going clubbing, and one of her friends keeps screaming at me saying that mum can do what ever she wants and i should stop being so controlling. i just feel so much pain and anger, like we are all alone and we are supposed to stick together and that she's just leaving me to care about everything.
then i just scream "fine, fine that's fine i dont' care!!!!!" at her and start getting in a cab.
then, somehow me and mum are on a plane, first class and we take off. on the way we ride through fields and fields, i seem to looking through a train even though we are ona plane...then we fly past a car and i see the plane's reflection in the cars window and the plane looks like bird, the size and everything, a white "goose" looking bird.
all of a sudden me mum and Bella are flying through the air and i can feel all the rush against my skin and my hair is being lifted off my neck (i know this sensation relly well cos i get a really strong feeling when my hair gets lifted off my neck in real life, it's strange... ), this has never happend before in a dream...then we fly into this loading dock (i don't know why i think it's a loading dock) and theres a plat form from which we have to fly down and then up in order to get out through the huge opening in the wall. i start flying straigh down until i'm about a millimeter off the ground, and i just tell myself "no way are you gonna stop flying now" so this wind comes and pushes me up and i get that feeling of wind against me again and i fly through the huge opening....it kind of fades out with me flying into the sky....
it's a bit strange and i have some idea as to what one part of it might mean, but the rest just left me thinking , what the???

anyways if you ever get the chance, that would be great....

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posted June 22, 2003 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
MOONAT, your dreams mean as much as anyone else's! I will have a look as soon as I can.

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posted June 23, 2003 07:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MOONAT     Edit/Delete Message
oh thanks so much Ra! i can't wait

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" I seem to have loved you in numberless forms, numberless times,
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posted June 23, 2003 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Hello MOONAT

Before I get too involved in this dream, I would like to ask a few questions, just to give me some direction.

Are you going through some sort of change, either personally or family related?

Is the state of your family okay?

Is there some sort of choice you have to make, or are making/have made, that you feel unsure about?

Are others criticizing you?

Do you feel just barely in control of your life situation?

Answers to any of these would help a great deal. Thank you for your patience.

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posted June 23, 2003 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MOONAT     Edit/Delete Message
hey again,
actually pretty much everything you asked is a yes.
i'm goin through huge changes personally, although most of it is behind me, my family's ok, but i feel as though i can't tell them about the changes (positive i think) i've made because i feel they are so into olden beliefs, that they would simply laugh at me and tell me it was teenage something or other.
the choice would be about my future i think. i always knew what i wanted to do, but after changing things personally i found that a boring desk job did NOT suit me, i can't tell me my mum my real dream becasue i think she would ridicule me or say that that should be a hobby.
i definately just feel barely in control, i've been thinking so much about "free will" or the concept of it and have found that i can't possibly have free will if i'm going to let my parents dissappointment over my decisions stop me from having a happy life.
it's been hard as i find so many of my ideals are about 180% opposite to what my parents/family think. i have always been the "top student" but now i find myself not caring, and they think i'm slacking off so i can be popular, but in reality i don't care about it at all....it has nothing to do with what i really want to do when i "grow up". it infuriates me that part of me has moved on from this stupid little problem but the other part of me is still too scared to tell my parents, or anyone for that matter....
i hope thats ok...

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" I seem to have loved you in numberless forms, numberless times,
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posted June 24, 2003 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
That is more than ok . Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

What you have just stated does a pretty good job of explaining this dream, and I will give you my thoughts about some of the details tomorrow - I have run out of time today!

Let me say this - we will not judge you here. It is important to have an outlet for your thoughts and feelings, and if you feel you cannot share them with your family or friends, perhaps you can share them here. There are many wonderful people here who have been, and are going through, very similar situations to yours, and they will surely understand and be supportive in your endeavors and your dreams. I, for one, would love to know what your "real dream" is, and you certainly do not have to worry about being ridiculed. If you feel like you can do it, tell us about it! Or if you want, e-mail me : ra@linda-goodman.com. And if you do not want to, then do not! Free will, right?!

Until tomorrow!

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MOONAT
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posted June 25, 2003 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MOONAT     Edit/Delete Message
thanks Ra! if it's ok i'd like to see what you think first....mmmm...i dunno if my thoughts are ready for the general public, gosh i even confuse myself most of the time....
anyways can't wait for your reply!

toodles

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posted June 25, 2003 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
No problem ... no hurry.

Okay ...

The car symbolizes yourself and the way in which you are "driving" through life. It also indicates change (going to inherit car). You kind of feel that your life is not being controlled by you and that you are being "driven" by circumstances outside yourself. You feel that you have little control of where you are going, and that perhaps you feel behind in some ways (running after it), especially at school (high school parking lot). But it seems you have just enough control to keep yourself from totally crashing - this is a good sign!

You are making choices (supermarket) that your family may not agree with (calling you irresponsible), probably having to do with your schooling, as you mentioned, but also having to do with a change in a psychological or thought pattern (city), which may be about your beliefs in relation to their "olden" ones, as you said. This makes you feel alone. (man, have I been THERE!)

You wish to break out of the pattern/thoughts/beliefs that are embodied by your family (get in cab) - you wish to be free! (flying) You depart upon a new path (take off on plane). Your mother is there because she is symbolizing the security and nurturance that you need in order to "fly" alone. Not only is flying a symbol of freedom, so are fields. Fields symbolize freedom, fertility, and expansiveness. So we have a double symbol for your need and desire for freedom - flying through fields - and also a suggestion of the growth that is possible for you in this (field=fertility). The white bird is another symbol for new(white) freedom (bird), thereby actually tripling the freedom symbolism! You really FEEL this powerful symbolic force! (hair blowing)

The dream suggests that there are still hurdles to overcome (platform) and patterns/barriers to "work" through (loading dock/building), and maintaining the attitude that "no way are you gonna stop flying now", you will succeed in freeing yourself. The door is wide open!

Now, with all of that said, I would like to say something about school - I will try not to make this a sermon! I obviously cannot say what is right or wrong for you, after all, you have Free Will! BUT, I would not feel right without voicing my opinion ... KEEP IT UP! Do not give up on school!

I did not like school at all, not a bit, but I kept up my grades anyway - and now I am glad I did. So please, give it some thought. I know it sometimes seems pointless but there is much more to it than just learning whatever they are teaching. Staying on top will give you confidence and strengthen your self esteem, your self-worth, your self-image, and it certainly does not hurt to keep some doors open for possible future use. I know this is difficult to see from your perspective, but in retrospect, in the future, you will see it and know it. And this strength will ultimately help you to continue your flight of discovery!

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posted June 26, 2003 02:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MOONAT     Edit/Delete Message
wow!
i didn't think a dream could quite mean that much...but obviously my subconscious is just as (if not more) aware of my problems.
i know what your saying about school, i have made a pact with myself to try my hardest..this will keep my parents happy until i go to univeristy, where I will decide exactly what i want to do! they always say that i should try my hardest so i can whatever i want, so i'm going to show them that i know what i can do, but also what i want to do...
i have always thought that to be successful in life you need to be wealthy, important and powerful...
now i think to be successful in life you need happiness, even though this may mean the above things for other people, for me, after seriously considering it, i would much rather spend my life in a small village in Italy and be relatively poor than be a wealthy business woman.
i am having difficulty with deciding what i want actually, i know i'm about to contradict myself here, but that's the way my mind works.
see i actually want to be successful, even though i think thats the "earth" me talking, then i just want to be content, and discover me, thats the "me" me talking....hope i make a little bit of sense....
then i want to make my parents happy....but then again i just want to do what i want to do.....i don't want to have to live by anyone elses rules, yet that's impossible simply becuase of the world we live in...well not impossible...but... i don't know...my favourite song at the moment is a song called I'm Still Here-by Johnny Rzeznik...i have always found that my favourite song of the moment always describes me perfectly.... if you look at hte lyrics you may see why...

I'm Still Here

I am a question to the world,
Not an answer to be heard,
or a moment that's held in your arms.
And what do you think you'd ever say?
I won't listen anyway:
You ignore me,
And I'll never be what you want me to be.

And what do you think you'd understand?
I'm a boy, no i'm a man.
You can't take me and throw me away.
And how can you learn what's never shown?
Yeah, you stand here on your own.
They don't know me 'cause I'm not here.

And I want a moment to be real,
Wanna touch things I don't feel,
Wanna hold on and feel I belong.
And how can the world want me to change,
They're the ones that stay the same.
The don't know me,
'Cause I'm not here.

And you see the things they never see
All you wanted, I could be
Now you know me, and I'm not afraid
And I wanna tell you who I am
Can you help me be a man?
They can't break me
As long as I know who I am

And I want a moment to be real,
Wanna touch things I don't feel,
Wanna hold on and feel I belong.
And how can the world want me to change,
They're the ones that stay the same.
They can't see me,
But I'm still here.

They can't tell me who to be,
'Cause I'm not what they see.
And the world is still sleepin',
While I keep on dreamin' for me.
And their words are just whispers,
And lies that I'll never believe.

And I want a moment to be real,
Wanna touch things I don't feel,
Wanna hold on and feel I belong.
And how can they say i never change,
They're the ones that stay the same.
I'm the one now,
'Cause I'm still here.

I'm the one,
'Cause I'm still here.
I'm still here.

i know what they mean to me...and i agree with everything...except....i don't think anyone wants me to change, hardly anyone if there is anyone at all really cares....i have friends sure...but they're so busy pretending to be the person everyone likes that they wouldn't like me being "me", i think the real me wouldn't be very, understood. i'm sorry if this sounds depressing i just needed to get some stuff out, and if the person who wrote me an email a while ago sees this and wants to email me personally and call me "immature" again feel free, if you can find my adress.
thanks so much Ra, i suppose talking about what i think once in a while is something i should do a bit more...thanks again


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" I seem to have loved you in numberless forms, numberless times,
in life after life, in age after age, forever."
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posted June 26, 2003 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
You are always welcome to talk here! There are a few people out there who care.

Someone from here e-mailed you and called you immature?! Well, THAT was immature! Let me tell you, what this person says to you is nothing but a reflection of how they feel about themselves in some way. So do not sweat it. You are just a mirror for him or her.

That song - what wonderful lyrics! I know it speaks to you.

And BRAVO about school! You have the right attitude about it, and you cannot fail if you follow through!

I know you are confused about things right now, but who is not at your age? When I was your age (about eighty-five years ago ) I had no idea what I was doing! And I still get confused!

Anyway, you just keep on doing what you are doing, and the world WILL be at your feet!

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posted June 26, 2003 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tabookey     Edit/Delete Message
Hey all! Moon, thanks for being so open and willing to share your experiences. Don't get discouraged if someone e-mails you with their negative thoughts. Your willingness to share gives the rest of us semi-shy ones the courage to do the same in seeking our own answers.
(now trying to tie back into the north/south head pointing) My bed is on a north/south with my head being on the south end. I get some pretty intense dreams/possibly OBE's out of it. That also used to happen quite a bit when my head used to point west. I found that I get similar type dreams facing west, but deffinitly wake up better rested from whatever experience I had.
Of course, I lived way out of town when my head faced west and I didn't have any early morning trains blairing their horns less than 100 feet from my bedroom jerking me out of my experience then...
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posted June 26, 2003 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Ra, it was our very own Ace.

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posted June 26, 2003 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MOONAT     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks so much guys!
after getting that off my chest i'm back to being cheery and seeing everything, well lots of things through rosy coloured glasses, i think thats the in me and it's just the way i like it!
Randall-who's Ace???

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posted June 26, 2003 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tabookey     Edit/Delete Message
moon
I VERY much love that quote you put up on your latest reply! I see who it is from, but where did you hear/see/find it?
Lee

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posted June 27, 2003 02:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MOONAT     Edit/Delete Message
i love it!
i found it just after i had read star signs, it "came to me" i guess, i was looking for business quotes for an assignment and...well i actually dont really remember how i found it

toodles

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" I seem to have loved you in numberless forms, numberless times,
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posted June 27, 2003 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Ace is a guy who scours our Board for e-mail addresses.

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posted June 28, 2003 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MOONAT     Edit/Delete Message
oh really....
so he does that often does he?

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posted June 28, 2003 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
I guess everyone needs a hobby.

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posted June 28, 2003 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MOONAT     Edit/Delete Message
lol

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posted June 29, 2003 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Ace is in a great deal of pain. I fully understand why people do not want him around (he DOES cause a lot of mischief), but I cannot help but to feel ... well, something, for him. He is truly lost and alone.

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posted June 30, 2003 02:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MOONAT     Edit/Delete Message
i hope he's ok, sometimes being a bit "mischevious" is a way of communication...i dunno....

ps. thanks for my dream reading ra!

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" I seem to have loved you in numberless forms, numberless times,
in life after life, in age after age, forever."
~Rabindranath Tagore~
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