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jwhop
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posted February 25, 2009 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oklahoma House passes sovereignty bill
Path set for other states seeking to reassert constitutional rights
Posted: February 24, 2009
10:48 pm Eastern
By Jerome R. Corsi

NEW YORK – Oklahoma's House of Representatives is the first legislative body to pass a state sovereignty resolution this year under the terms of the Tenth Amendment.

The Oklahoma House of Representatives passed House Joint Resolution 1003 Feb. 18 by a wide margin, 83 to 13, resolving, "That the State of Oklahoma hereby claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States."

The language of HJR 1003 further serves notice to the federal government "to cease and desist, effectively immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers."

The sponsor of the resolution, state Rep. Charles Key, told WND the measure was a 'big step toward addressing the biggest problem we have in this country – the federal government violating the supreme law of the land."

"The Constitution either means what it says, or it doesn't mean anything at all," Key said. "The federal government must honor and obey the Constitution, just like the states and this citizens of this country are obligated to do, or our system of government begins to fall apart."

The Ninth Amendment reads, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." The Tenth Amendment specifically provides, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

As WND reported, eight states have introduced resolutions declaring state sovereignty under the Ninth and Tenth Amendments to the Constitution: Arizona, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, Oklahoma and Washington.

Analysts expect 12 additional states may see similar measures introduced this year, including Alaska, Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Nevada, Maine and Pennsylvania.

Key argued that whenever "we allow the federal government, or any other government entity, to violate the Constitution, we destroy the Constitution one piece at a time."

"We have gone so far down that path that the Constitution is hanging by a thread right now," he said.

Last year, the same resolution introduced by Key passed the Oklahoma House, but the floor leader in the Senate, Democrat Sen. Charles Lassiter, used his authority to block consideration of the measure on the Senate floor.

But state Sen. Randy Brogdon has sponsored comparable legislation, and he told WND the "chances are excellent" it "will be passed in the Senate this session."

Brogdon said his bill, SJR 10, has made it out of committee and will be heard on the Senate floor in the next couple of weeks. The lawmaker said he will double-track HJR 1003 to increase the chances one of the sovereignty resolutions gets to the Senate floor.

"We going to work Rep. Charles Key's bill through the committee," Brogdon said, "and our goal in the Senate is to use HCR 1003 as the final bill."

Brogdon told WND he feels confident Democrats in the Oklahoma Senate will not be able to block the sovereignty measure this year.

"Last year, the Democrats in the Senate were able to veto consideration of Rep. Key's bill," he said, "but this year the Republicans are in control of the Oklahoma House and the Oklahoma Senate, for the first time in Oklahoma's history."

Oklahoma was the only state in the 2008 election in which every county voted for the Republican presidential candidate, Sen. John McCain.

"The Democratic leadership in the state legislature has been outside the mainstream of the Democratic Party for decades in Oklahoma," Brogdon said. "We finally turned the corner in 2008, with Republican majorities in both House and Senate.

"We still have a Democratic governor in Oklahoma," Brogdon said, "but we hope to change that in 2010."

Brogdon is widely being mentioned as a Republican candidate for governor in 2010.

Key crafted his resolution so it takes effect once the Oklahoma Senate passes the measure, even without the governor's signature.

Asked whether Oklahoma's Democratic Gov. Brad Henry would sign a sovereignty resolution, Brogdon said he was confident the governor would do so.

"I believe the governor will have to sign the sovereignty resolution the state legislature passes," he said. "How do you turn down states rights? If you are the governor, how are you going to stand before the people of Oklahoma and say, 'I don't want to support your state sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment?'"

Henry's office did not immediately respond to WND's request for comment.

Brogdon was not equally sure Henry would instruct Oklahoma's attorney general to enforce the sovereignty resolution, in what might be interpreted as an act of defiance against the Obama administration.

"Phase Two will be to get a Republican governor in the state capital that understands the Constitution and respects the rule of law," Brogdon said.

"We need an attorney general in Oklahoma that will enforce this sovereignty resolution once it is passed."

Brogdon explained that Oklahoma is on track to receive about $900 million from the $787 billion economic stimulus deficit-spending bill Obama signed into law last week.

"Governor Henry has his hand out for the Obama stimulus money," Brogdon said. "But there are a lot of us in the Oklahoma legislature that do not want the federal stimulus money because we fear the strings that are certainly going to be attached to the $900 million. We might end up in subsequent years with a $900 million entitlement program hole in our budget for years to come, just because we took the Obama economic stimulus money this time around."
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posted February 25, 2009 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and this means what? i would appreciate a concise summary from your point of view, jwhop.

LOOKS like the beginning of the devolution i would love to see...but if you are saying it is because of our new democrat heavy government, why did they start last year? perhaps the problem is not democrats at all but our highlevel governers in general??

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posted February 25, 2009 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why don't you instead tell me what you think the constitutionally required system of government is for the United States?

Why don't you tell me what system of government is guaranteed to every state in the Union?

Why don't you tell me what the federal government is doing now and has been doing for almost a century which violates provisions of the Constitution and tramples on State Rights...as well as citizen rights.

I suspect you are firmly in favor of most of what the federal government is doing, most of which is an unconstitutional infringement on States and citizens rights.

I already know what the 9th and 10th Amendments mean as well as when and by what means the feds derailed the Constitution.

Why don't you tell me what you know? Please start with an explanation of what you mean by "devolution".

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posted February 25, 2009 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jwhop i was not challenging you but asking for YOUR opinion/rundown. you put it out there, but it is not your voice...

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posted February 25, 2009 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But katatonic, I wouldn't have "put it out there" if I didn't agree with the stated premise of the State bill...and others before it..and those which will come after.

The federal government is now and has for a long time been totally out of control and needs to be reined in.

I didn't consider you to be "challenging" me but if we're to have a dialog about the specifics of State and Federal government authority and where that authority comes from, I need to know what you know. There's no need to plow old ground.

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posted February 26, 2009 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well, for a start, my love, you may have noticed in passing that research and small details are not my forte. i make no apology for who i am AND i am willing to learn.

since you obviously have given all this a great deal of thought it is only fair that you actually STAND UP and say WHAT IT IS you think the government is doing wrong. not in general but in this case.

unfortunately my experience of several of the states has led me to believe that many of them are FAR WORSE than the feds when it comes to control issues and authoritarianism. should california follow oklahoma"s example i would expect a police state in no time flat! so i would like to hear YOUR REASONS for thinking this is a good move.

however in a principle kind of way i am all for downsizing. when i mention devolution i believe that one of the biggest problems we are currently running up against is the sheer size of this country and numbers of its people, which if you count a lot of illegal immigrants (because they are here contributing to the situation) is a good deal more than 300 million. size has made all the difference in europe, between the COMMON MARKET and the EUROPEAN UNION is a vast difference. for awhile it looked like the euro would be a healthy currency but not for long!

i believe all citizens of the globe should have the right to travel freely unless they have proven themselves to be bad risks. however i believe smaller populations are more manageable. i think "devolution" as opposed to the "evolution" we have seen would involve more local involvement and less attempts to homogenize what is a very heterogeneous group.

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