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NoRainNoRainbows
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posted October 14, 2013 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoRainNoRainbows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another surprisingly accurate online divination tool
http://www.ichingonline.org/

for my reading i got

quote:
10 - Ten
Lü / Worrying the Tiger

Heaven shines down on the Marsh which reflects it back imperfectly:
Though the Superior Man carefully discriminates between high and low, and acts in accord with the flow of the Tao, there are still situations where a risk must be taken.

You tread upon the tail of the tiger.
Not perceiving you as a threat, the startled tiger does not bite.
Success.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

You have reached a perilous point in your journey.
This is a real gamble -- not a maneuver, not a calculated risk.
The outcome is uncertain.
If it goes as you hope, you will gain -- but if it turns against you it will cause serious injury, at least to your plans.
The best tack is extreme caution and a healthy respect for the danger involved.


which matches every person to person reading i've got in the past few weeks now....

and if we click on further meanings it explains it even better

quote:
above: Ch'ien / The Creative, Heaven
yang

yin
yang
below: Tui / The Joyous, Lake
yang
Worrying the Tiger

Yin and Yang

The name of the hexagram means on the one hand the right way of conducting oneself. Heaven, the father, is above, and the lake, the youngest daughter, is below. This shows the difference between high and low, upon which composure, correct social conduct, depends. On the other hand, the word for the name of the hexagram, TREADING,1 means literally treading upon something. The small and cheerful [Tui] treads on the large and strong [Ch'ien]. The direction of movement of the two primary trigrams is upward. The fact that the strong treads on the weak is not mentioned in the Yi Jing, because it is taken for granted. For the weak to take a stand against the strong is not dangerous here, because it happened in good humor [Tui] and without presumption, so that the strong man is not irritated but takes it all in good part.


THE JUDGEMENT

TREADING. Treading upon the tail of the tiger.
It does not bite the man. Success.

The situation is really difficult. That which is strongest and that which is weakest are close together. The weak follows behind the strong and worries it. The strong, however, acquiesces and does not hurt the weak, because the contact is in good humor and harmless.
In terms of a human situation, one is handling wild, intractable people. In such a case one's purpose will be achieved if one behaves with decorum. Pleasant manners succeed even with irritable people.


THE IMAGE

Heaven above, the lake below:
The image of TREADING.
Thus the superior man discriminates between high and low,
And thereby fortifies the thinking of the people.

Heaven and the lake show a difference of elevation that inheres in the natures of the two, hence no envy arises. Among mankind also there are necessarily differences of elevation; it is impossible to bring about universal equality. But it is important that differences in social rank should not be arbitrary and unjust, for if this occurs, envy and class struggle are the inevitable consequences. If, on the other hand, external differences in rank correspond with differences in inner worth, and if inner worth forms the criterion of external rank, people acquiesce and order reigns in society.


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posted October 15, 2013 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use the iChing as well and find it surprisingly accurate. Sometimes the hexagrams are inconspicuous and it takes a while for them to make sense to me.

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posted October 16, 2013 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not sure if I did this bit right but I tried... This is my reading


Cast Hexagram:

24 - Twenty-Four
Fu / Return

Thunder regenerates deep within Earth's womb:
Sage rulers recognized that the end of Earth's seasonal cycle was also the starting point of a new year and a time for dormancy.
They closed the passes at the Solstice to enforce a rest from commerce and activity.
The ruler himself did not travel.

You have passed this way before but you are not regressing.
This is progress, for the cycle now repeats itself, and this time you are aware that it truly is a cycle.
The return of old familiars is welcome.
You can be as sure of this cycle as you are that seven days bring the start of a new week.
Use this dormancy phase to plan which direction you will grow.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

You are about to experience a rebirth -- about to be given another chance, a new lease on life.
You have persevered, gone the distance through an entire cycle -- through the Spring of hope or new passion, through a Summer of growth and building, only to be sacrificed like the archetypal Harvest King at the Autumn reaping.
You lie dormant like seed beneath Winter snows now, healing and absorbing new energies in preparation for the new young Spring coming shortly to your life.


The idea of a turning point arises from the fact that after the dark lines have pushed all of the light lines upward and out of the hexagram, another light line enters the hexagram from below. The time of darkness is past. The winter solstice brings the victory of light. This hexagram is linked with the eleventh month, the month of the solstice (December- January).


THE JUDGEMENT

RETURN. Success.
Going out and coming in without error.
Friends come without blame.
To and fro goes the way.
On the seventh day comes return.
It furthers one to have somewhere to go.

After a time of decay comes the turning point. The powerful light that has been banished returns. There is movement, but it is not brought about by force. The upper trigram Kun is characterised by devotion; thus the movement is natural, arising spontaneously. For this reason the transformation of the old becomes easy. The old is discarded and the new is introduced. Both measures accord with the time; therefore no harm results. Societies of people sharing the same views are formed. But since these groups come together in full public knowledge and are in harmony with the time, all selfish separatist tendencies are excluded, and no mistake is made. The idea of RETURN is based on the course of nature. The movement is cyclic, and the course completes itself. Therefore it is not necessary to hasten anything artificially. Everything comes of itself at the appointed time. This is the meaning of heaven and earth.
All movements are accomplished in six stages, and the seventh brings return. Thus the winter solstice, with which the decline of the year begins, comes in the seventh month after the summer solstice; so too sunrise comes in the seventh double hour after sunset. Therefore seven is the number of the young light, and it arises when six, the number of the great darkness, is increased by one. In this way the state of rest gives place to movement.


THE IMAGE

Thunder within the earth:
The image of THE TURNING POINT.
Thus the kings of antiquity closed the passes
At the time of solstice.
Merchants and strangers did not go about,
And the ruler
Did not travel through the provinces.

The winter solstice has always been celebrated in China as the resting time of the year - a custom that survives in the time of rest observed at the new year. In winter the life energy, symbolised by thunder, the Arousing, is still underground. Movement is just at its beginning; therefore it must be strengthened by rest so that it will not be dissipated by being used prematurely. This principle, i.e., of allowing energy that is renewing itself to be reinforced by rest, applies to all similar situations. The return of health after illness, the return of understanding after an estrangement: everything must be treated tenderly and with care at the beginning, so that the return may lead to a flowering.

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posted October 16, 2013 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I asked a yes or no question so this sound to me like it's saying yes, but in due time, maybe not as soon as the time frame in which I asked my question but this spring? Also there seems to be a very karmic feel to it...

This is my first experience with i-ching so if anyone else has anything interesting to add I'd appreciate that

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posted October 16, 2013 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoRainNoRainbows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Pure, agreed, surprised by how accurate this is....the only thing with i-ching, is it's one heck of a task to try and learn everything without a little book to guide you through the hexagrams and what line to draw...other than that, i've been using i-ching since around 2001 or 2002...forgot, but since the beginning was O_O O_O O_O when the readings would be exactly a response to what i asked....cool tools though, right?


@littlecloud, did you use the online coin throwing, or did you throw you own 3 coins and then match it with the little tool they have, so you know which 'line' goes where...

in any case, it all seems to suggest success, so i guess a yes, to what you asked about

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posted October 16, 2013 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tried doing it manually at first but since I was using my phone it was too confusing so I did the automatic one.

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posted October 17, 2013 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it bad that I'm super skeptical of my good news?

ugh...I'm so jaded.

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posted October 17, 2013 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoRainNoRainbows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it's always good to be skeptic...when we become so over confident the universe has this nasty way of showing us it's other face...or the other side of the coin...but don't think about it.

I tried the online version a few hours ago, and asked the same question i asked a horary chart and my cards...and all gave me the same answer, so i guess it is somewhat accurate to

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posted October 17, 2013 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oooohh

I forgot my I-Ching book. Can be very accurate! But always so cryptic. I find it an insightful, but difficult oracle to work with at times. The messages really need meditating. Or that's how it works for me..

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posted October 17, 2013 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoRainNoRainbows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There you are Twirll! HELLOOOO!!!

yes i agree the messages need meditating but somewhere in them there is a clue to answering the situation or question asked.

it is so close to geomancy, so not surprised at all by it's accuracy...now if only we had computer brains and wouldn't need a book or website to tell us what on Earth we are doing with all that coin tossing

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