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Topic: Science of Enlightenment puzzle
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Mannu
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posted October 04, 2007 11:47 PM
 
Did I spell it right heheh?Hows this way to share our experiences? First puzzle: We are humans. No questions about that. If you do , just stop. Don't read further  Aret there differences between humans and animals? We all laugh, we cry, we hunger, we love, we play, we age, we die, we have sex, etc... What differentiates us from animals then? I like to think that all humans were animals before. So its easy for me to notice the difference. IP: Logged |
NAM
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posted October 05, 2007 12:08 AM
We think!  ok, what is the hidden agenda here I am dying to know LOL IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted October 05, 2007 12:10 AM
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Mannu
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posted October 05, 2007 12:13 AM
Heh NAM u are supposed to answer what u think.One chance only per puzzle . Sorry folks rules are rules.
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NAM
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posted October 05, 2007 12:15 AM
Sorry, I didn't get it before, i am tired, I will play tomorrow!
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Mannu
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posted October 05, 2007 12:26 AM
This quiz ain't open for Aliens on earth.
Or Gods/Goddesses.Devotees of Anubis are prohibited also.
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yourfriendinspirit
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posted October 05, 2007 12:48 AM
Mannu as I'm sure you are well aware, the differences are greatly recognized at a spiritual level.However here's a start for others who may be inclined to say things like "we think" or have huge IQ's, ect.... 1] Humans have the ability to make moral decisions and choices.
While animals choose based on their physical surroundings. 2] Animals lack self-consciousness and agency. 3] The acquisition of ego differentiates humans from animals.
Of course there are definate Cellular differences between the two species as well...
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"Science is a willingness to accept facts even when they are opposed to wishes." I really enjoyed this question/puzzle, thank you! Sendin' love your way,
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artlovesdawn
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posted October 05, 2007 12:58 AM
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NAM
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posted October 05, 2007 07:48 AM
How about, we don't have sex just to procreate? 
*Sorry Mannu, I was exhausted last night.
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thirteen
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posted October 05, 2007 08:18 AM
I believe dogs have divine origins.IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com
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posted October 05, 2007 09:25 AM
I am waiting to see what everyone else says.
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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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Mannu
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posted October 05, 2007 12:10 PM
NAM - plz don't be...
everythings cool in friendship.
yourfriendinspirit - i liked what u wrote.
Not sure why i wrote those words. I try to be that non -egoistical/ever loving person. its ok to fall down... but its not ok to not have ideals. u know what i mean.
yeah dogs and dolphins are more divine...
but every animal has god consciousness. just as we as humans are waiting for the big leap to happen from being a human to being divine. The animals are in the same state right now. Waiting for that big leap to become human.
Can u believe the earth is 4 billion years of age. Wow we humans need to pat our backs. We are humans finally. But it does not end there....Well don't want to rush it...with time i will share my thoughts on that. IP: Logged |
NAM
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posted October 05, 2007 12:19 PM
Cool, I am listening!  IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com
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posted October 05, 2007 12:30 PM
I do not believe animals become human nor human become animals.And why would the current human form be the pinnacle of evolution any animal would desire to aspire to become? Why not sapient tigers, lions and bears?
Animals unless tampered with by humans, are naturally Zen minded.
Our current human form will change in time to a form none of us would recognize as human measured by what is defined as human now. How are humans and animals different?
Well first off...we are BOTH ANIMALS! Animals unlike human animals do not "as a general rule" have this: Karma Written Speech Choice/free will Fear of death Religions which divide humanity.
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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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thirteen
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From: Rochester Hills, MI USA
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posted October 05, 2007 12:43 PM
i am inclined to lean towards fayte. i also do not beleive dogs are waiting to become human.
i beleive dogs are of divine creation / albeit different than human divinity. I guess first off you gotta believe humans are divine beings! I think we are mixed with divinity. Dogs are one of our support system.IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com
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posted October 05, 2007 01:07 PM
Concerning evolution of any living being.....
I hear much about the immortality concept. I feel it is not our physical bodies that will do it, but the ability to remember our previous incarnations or at least the lessons learned. Perhaps we will eventually be able to be what I term, a "resulate". To be able to go back and forth between physical as desired. This would require only being physical while performing physically required tasks, such as building, farming, and pregnancy etcetera. The rest of the time one would not require food or task the environmental resources as much. I think it would also allow us to move very fast while in such a state. Perhaps even take light energy ships or beams to other worlds and resulate there in whatever form is appropriate to that planet.
They could stay in physical form then and begin a new physical society if they desired to do so.
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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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Mannu
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posted October 05, 2007 01:14 PM
To artlovesdawn - Let me rephrase what u said : We are spiritual beings having human experience. I agree with that.
Fayte - interesting. Love to read ur thoughts always.. Will come back to that it.
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Mannu
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posted October 05, 2007 01:15 PM
>> i also do not beleive dogs are waiting to become human. Oh don't be cruel... why do u want the dogs to remain dog. Are u as human happy feeding them leftovers from table? Disgusting.
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Mannu
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posted October 05, 2007 01:17 PM
>>>Animals unlike human animals do not "as >>a general rule" have this:
>>Karma
>>Written Speech
>>Choice/free will
>>Fear of death
>>Religions which divide humanity. Brilliant. Humans can attain their divinity. While animals cannot. Humans have to overcome those things u mention Karma, free will, religion,etc. IP: Logged |
thirteen
Knowflake Posts: 1038
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posted October 05, 2007 01:18 PM
very funny Mannu.
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Mannu
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posted October 05, 2007 01:20 PM
Does any one believe u urself have designed ur body while being in the womb. Makes sense?
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fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com
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posted October 05, 2007 01:20 PM
Thanks Mannu
Perhaps when I get time I will begin a new thread on such founders of new civilizations.
And my theory on what is a soul...any soul in any universe. All the same stuff. Only our physical forms are different. ------------------
"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com
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posted October 05, 2007 01:39 PM
quote:
>>>Animals unlike human animals do not "as >>a general rule" have this:
>>Karma
>>Written Speech
>>Choice/free will
>>Fear of death
>>Religions which divide humanity.Brilliant.
Thank you. quote:
Humans can attain their divinity. While animals cannot.
I do not believe that. All brain bearing animals can eventually reach such a point and surpass it.
Also what do you mean about divinity in case I have misunderstood you? quote:
Humans have to overcome those things u mention Karma, free will, religion,etc.
Karma, Fear of death, and Religions...yes.
Written Speech, Choice/free will....no.:
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Does any one believe u urself have designed ur body while being in the womb.
No. quote:
Oh don't be cruel... why do u want the dogs to remain dog. Are u as human happy feeding them leftovers from table? Disgusting.
Disgusting? How anthropomorphic. Humans do tend to anthropomorphize natural behaviour of other species. God give humans some less Xenophobic
anthroegocentric way of seeing others before we make contact with beings from other worlds. We must not judge other beings, animal or alien as being disgusting simply because they are doing what is normal for them.
And who said the dog will remain on 4 legs? In time we may fall back to all fours and the dog surpass us as the current sapient species and become the reigning sapient biped.
Evolutionary happenstance can get very quirky.
Take the whale and the snake.
Both have vestigial limbs which indicates that the both walked upon the Earth.
We ourselves share with all vertebrates the Reptilian Complex brain. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002824.html an·thro·po·mor·phize (nthr-p-môrfz)
v. an·thro·po·mor·phized, an·thro·po·mor·phiz·ing, an·thro·po·mor·phiz·es
v.tr.
To ascribe human characteristics to.
v.intr.
To ascribe human characteristics to things not human.
anthro·po·morphi·zation (-f-zshn) n.Peeping: ------------------
"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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thirteen
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posted October 05, 2007 01:44 PM
Perhaps we designed our bodies prior to being in the womb.IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted October 05, 2007 01:59 PM
>>>>Also what do you mean about divinity in case I have misunderstood you?
Heres my gist of priciples I like to hold on to:
We are already God. We just don't know.
Someevent happened, and we take life after life , changing bodies animals, humans, etc... trying to get that escape velocity required by a rocket to escape the gravity of earth. u know what i mean... except we shouldn't try that hard. Our curiosity for knowing our true self should be strong. Perhaps God designed our physical bodies to evolve based on survivability priciples etc... so really its not ur dogs fault that he is dog. he just happened to be so uncomfortable when we was dead in this world. and could not make a choice on the next body he must have.
or how about us? imagine from above u can't see humans speaking, crying, laughing....and u just happened to enter the foetus randomly in a mothers womb.
As thirteen said - may be u desinged ur body before hand. In that case. Every human beings who incarnated more that once, is smart enough to know what lessons he needs to learn. and take it back with him or to God.
Not sure all this makes sense. but somewhere deep buried in those lines that we all shared is the truth I am sure.
cheers!!!
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