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Mirandee
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posted October 09, 2007 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
Religion or Spirituality is really not all that complicated.

We humans like to make it seem more complicated than it actually is because it makes us look smart.

Just enjoy the journey of life. Where ever your journey make take you. It's way too short - a pebble dropped in the ocean of infinity - to spend time worrying about semantics. Especially when spirituality all comes from a humble heart.

Happy trails


Ripple

The Grateful Dead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVdTQ3OPtGY

If my words did glow with the gold of sunshine
And my tunes were played on the harp unstrung,
Would you hear my voice come thru the music,
Would you hold it near as it were your own?

Its a hand-me-down, the thoughts are broken,
Perhaps they're better left unsung.
I dont know, dont really care
Let there be songs to fill the air.

Ripple in still water,
When there is no pebble tossed,
Nor wind to blow.

Reach out your hand if your cup be empty,
If your cup is full may it be again,
Let it be known there is a fountain,
That was not made by the hands of men.

There is a road, no simple highway,
Between the dawn and the dark of night,
And if you go no one may follow,
That path is for your steps alone.

Ripple in still water,
When there is no pebble tossed,
Nor wind to blow.

If you should choose to lead must follow

But if you fall you fall alone,
If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home.

La dee da da da, la da da da da, da da da, da da, da da da da da
La da da da, la da da, da da, la da da da, la da, da da.


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goatgirl
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posted October 09, 2007 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goatgirl     Edit/Delete Message
So true Mirandee. BTW, I love that song

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The good life, as I conceive it, is a happy life. I do not mean that if you are good you will be happy - I mean that if you are happy you will be good. ~ Bertrand Russell

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fayte.m
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posted October 09, 2007 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Religion or Spirituality is really not all that complicated.

The study of it is very complex however. The etymologies, the histories etcetera.

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We humans like to make it seem more complicated than it actually is because it makes us look smart.
That can be taken as an insult to all scholars and translators and those who wish to learn of and study all religions and the histories and archaeologies of them.
Would you say the same of a Physicist or Astronomer, or even an Astrologer?
Folks do love to delve deeper and learn the nuances and details of the subjects which interests them.
They are NOT doing it to:
quote:
We humans like to make it seem more complicated than it actually is because it makes us look smart.

There would be no translations of Religious texts, scrolls, codexes, etcetera, into English if folks were doing those translations to simply;

"make them look smart"

Just because there are folks who want to delve deep into any subject does not make them a bunch of show offs trying to look smart. Folks possessing intelligence and curiosity simply "love to learn and study". Showing off is not what is on their minds.

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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goatgirl
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posted October 09, 2007 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goatgirl     Edit/Delete Message
Oh. I guess I didn't read it that way. What it made me think of was those "good" religious people, who are so rigid and unwilling to really open their hearts to what the teachings are. Like the fundimentalist who is against abortion, but won't adopt those unwanted children who need homes. Or those who would condem someone for some "sin" when they aren't in the other person's shoes, and have no desire to put themselves there. Those are 2 examples I can think of off the top of my head. Just when we think we "KNOW" with certainty about what spirituallity means, and become rigid and stiff with absolutism, we then can fall and be without compassion.

Or when two people who used to be very good friends let misunderstandings come between them. That makes me sad. That's all I'll say. It just makes me sad.

Love,
GG

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The good life, as I conceive it, is a happy life. I do not mean that if you are good you will be happy - I mean that if you are happy you will be good. ~ Bertrand Russell

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Solane Star
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posted October 09, 2007 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
I didn't read it or took it that way either.

I read it the same as you GoatGirl!!!

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Solane Star
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posted October 09, 2007 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
I personally think that if Mirandee writes anything here in UC, she will be attacked by Fayte!!!!

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posted October 09, 2007 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
Beauitful Song Mirandee!!!

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BlueRoamer
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posted October 09, 2007 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
I think Mirandee is just presenting her interpretation. I think a lot of things can be taken as insults when one is acting from a place of pain.

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fayte.m
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posted October 09, 2007 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
So anytime I reply to Mirandee from hereon it will be viewed as an attack?

If ANYONE had posted that....
my response would have been exactly the same folks!

Please do not imply ill will where none is or was intended.

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Or when two people who used to be very good friends let misunderstandings come between them. That makes me sad. That's all I'll say. It just makes me sad.
What the heck does that have to do with a rational reply?

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I personally think that if Mirandee writes anything here in UC, she will be attacked by Fayte!!!!
Yeah Solane...I am out to get her and you too.....oh no...I could not be just simply replying to a post stating my view could I? Who is mis-interpreting and assuming again here?
Your statement is an attack!
Lay off chickadee!

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I think Mirandee is just presenting her interpretation. I think a lot of things can be taken as insults when one is acting from a place of pain.
That is so totally asinine! What has that to do with my giving my viewpoint?

I cannot believe how you all are reading malicious intent or pain and other crap into my reply!

It was just a reply, NOTHING MORE!
GEEZ!

Oh screw it.

I guess people will think what they want of me and assume as usual.
Now how's that for an assumption!?
Can I now assume from hereon that I will be belittled and judged and my motivations for replying analyzed and judged too?


PS. I hope Mirandee has the common sense to see a reply as simply that, and not read all kinds of crap into it or take it as an attack as you folks have.
It was just a reply/opinion for crying out loud!
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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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Solane Star
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posted October 09, 2007 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message

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juniperb
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posted October 09, 2007 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Religion or Spirituality is really not all that complicated.


My experience has taught me that Religion is or can be complicated while Spirituality is not. Just another insight

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

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goatgirl
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posted October 09, 2007 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goatgirl     Edit/Delete Message
That's not what I meant fayte. I wasn't implying you were attacking Mirandee. I was wanting to share my interpretation of what I felt she was posting, and that I didn't see it from the perspective that you were seeing it. It's ok for us each to see it differently. I apologize for what I said if it came across as such. I don't think that people who are interested in religious texts are just doing it to make themselves smart. I think that people who study these things are interested in deeepening their spirituality, and it comes from a desire to know more, not that you already knwo it all. Again, I'm sorry if my words were not communicated well, and if I hurt your feelings. That was not my intention at all.

I'm sorry that what I said about misunderstandings stirred up a mess. That was not my intention either. I apologize. I shouldn't have said anything, as it's not my business. Just two people I care for and consider friends. I hope you'll accept my apologies.

Love,
GG

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The good life, as I conceive it, is a happy life. I do not mean that if you are good you will be happy - I mean that if you are happy you will be good. ~ Bertrand Russell

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Solane Star
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posted October 09, 2007 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
My experience has taught me that Religion is or can be complicated while Spirituality is not. Just another insight

Thanks Juniperb!!!

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BlueMeenee
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posted October 09, 2007 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMeenee     Edit/Delete Message
Fayte.m - I totally agreed with your statement about humans being naturally curious and wanting to learn. I think you stated that perfectly and logically. Please don't think that everything you say will be belittled or judged! You have an open mind and happen to see things from a different angle...it's a good thing!

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fayte.m
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posted October 09, 2007 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
juniperb
I agree!
quote:
My experience has taught me that Religion is or can be complicated while Spirituality is not. Just another insight
GG
quote:
I'm sorry that what I said about misunderstandings stirred up a mess. That was not my intention either. I apologize. I shouldn't have said anything, as it's not my business. Just two people I care for and consider friends. I hope you'll accept my apologies.
It just surprised me that you of all people would see my reply as connected in some insidious way to the recent trouble.
I have gone out of my way to avoid Mirandee and Solane at FFA even when I wanted to agree with them or say something nice for fear my words would be taken wrong. Yeah that is an assumption on my part but once burned twice shy.
And definitely stayed away of late when I disagreed with either of them.
As you can see here I was right. Solane has jumped me yet again.
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I personally think that if Mirandee writes anything here in UC, she will be attacked by Fayte!!!!

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{
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26taurus
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posted October 09, 2007 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
fayte, i dont think you read into anything incorrectly.

(hi, Juni. )

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juniperb
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posted October 09, 2007 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Hey 26


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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

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fayte.m
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posted October 09, 2007 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
BlueMeenee
Bless you!
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Fayte.m - I totally agreed with your statement about humans being naturally curious and wanting to learn. I think you stated that perfectly and logically. Please don't think that everything you say will be belittled or judged! You have an open mind and happen to see things from a different angle...it's a good thing!

Thank you again!
It is refreshing to have anyone see my comments as I intended and not in some twisted way.

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{
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posted October 09, 2007 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Fayte.m, Mirandee, you are both talking of one thing but the different sides of the coin, and none is right or wrong.

Religion has comforted a lot of people, so has spirituality, but I agree with Juniperb and how she put it.

Some are comforted by the complexities and finding the treasures within, and some are comforted the simplicity of the entire treasure as a whole.

Just because you look at the molecules of a stone, instead of viewing it from another perspective, does not make it less a stone. If that makes sense.

Mirandee, simple things do get complicated for no reason. Fayte.m, investigation strengthens the truth.

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fayte.m
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posted October 09, 2007 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
26taurus!
You have always been able to see where I am coming from and ask questions too rather than assume when I may at times be unclear.
Thank you so very much dear lady!{{{HUGS}}}
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fayte, i dont think you read into anything incorrectly.

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{
~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~
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fayte.m
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posted October 09, 2007 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Unmoved
quote:
Mirandee, simple things do get complicated for no reason. Fayte.m, investigation strengthens the truth.
On that I will agree!
However I still feel this is NOT true!
quote:
We humans like to make it seem more complicated than it actually is because it makes us look smart.
So I will say it again:
quote:
Just because there are folks who want to delve deep into any subject does not make them a bunch of show offs trying to look smart. Folks possessing intelligence and curiosity simply "love to learn and study". Showing off is not what is on their minds.

I saw no other way to take the quote:

quote:
We humans like to make it seem more complicated than it actually is because it makes us look smart.
I ask..so what else could it mean other than that? I can see GG's concept...there are holier than thou show offs...if I read her statements correctly....but I also see absolutely nothing wrong with my view on that statement Mirandee made.
And I felt I explained very clearly why I disagreed with it as a blanket statement. Not all are show offs trying to look smart.


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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{
~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~
~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~

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posted October 09, 2007 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
To add, Solane Star, if that has been Fayte.m's trend of doing things, a big "if", it is not so in this case. That was a sound statement she made regarding this topic.

Through debate we learn, at least I learn, and to disagree with another's point opens my mind or strengthens my belief.

A debate is therefore a good opportunity for growth.

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posted October 09, 2007 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMeenee     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Thank you again!
It is refreshing to have anyone see my comments as I intended and not in some twisted way.

You're welcome! I still completely agree with you. I am one of those annoying question askers. I just want to KNOW why, how, what, when, and any other number of things. Religion and spirituality is one of those things - I want to understand why people believe what they believe. I'm not questioning their beliefs, I just want to know why they believe that. I know what I believe and am comfortable in that - I see nothing wrong in trying to understand other peoples beliefs as well. Doesn't mean I want to change or challenge their belief or adopt it as my own - it's simple curiosity. I don't see anything about me wanting to think I'm better than them by my curiosity. I know there's the snobs out there that do think they're better - but I'll wager the majority of question askers and answer seekers are simply curious.

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fayte.m
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posted October 09, 2007 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
I also am becoming quite tired of having to defend my posts and rationale for my views.
I would just like to post without encountering all this finger pointing and assumptions about me and my motives for posting. And getting jumped yet again without justification.

It really makes me feel oh sooo free to post as I feel moved to!

Yeah..that was sarcastic.

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{
~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~
~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~

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posted October 09, 2007 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
BlueMeenie

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but I'll wager the majority of question askers and answer seekers are simply curious.

That is exactly why I ask questions too. Simple curiousity, and not even as a quest for truth, but to just understand different perspectives.

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