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bunnies
Knowflake

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posted June 08, 2008 03:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message
O.K I am writing this quickly just after I have woken because I quite frankly feel silly but:
About ten years ago I had recurring bouts of what were explained to me as sleep paralysis.
I would begin to have a dream. It would usually involve being pursued stealthily by crouching things that would shadow me and I would try to get away.
Then I would wake up and focus on my room to bring myself to consciousness.
And this is when I would experience either being pulled by my legs (very painfully I might add) out of the bed or pressed down by the legs (again painfully)until I was always forced to say something and then it would stop.
Once I even heard a buzzing that was so loud in the room that it was deafening.
This is apparently a common occurence in sleep paralysis according to doctors.
But I always end up having a conversation with whatever and once (in my head) it had a conversation back.
I once said, after having moved house
"Oh no you've found me here" and it said (and this is where I thought UH OH!!)
"Don't worry, we will have you back before your son wakes up"
So I used to joke that I was being abducted!
After that particular incident it stopped, for ten years, until last night....
I had been to a wedding (fabulous) hardly drank went to sleep and then I had one of these dreams about trying to lock lots of shadowy figures out of a building who were all trying to gain entrance.
So I woke up to feel the most tremendous pressure as if someone was sitting on my legs (again most painfully) and I thought "God someone is in my room"
But when I looked at the wall there was no shadow (I had left a hall light on) so I knew it wasn't a person.
And this is quite sweet! I didn't know what to say, so bizarrely I came out with a most antiquated expression and said
"In the name of all that is holy BE GONE"
And whatever it was did.
SO, AND THIS IS THE CRUX OF THIS STORY.

Any ideas...anyone???
Is it sleep paralysis? Anyone else experienced this?
I do not care how far out the theories are but I am most definitely awake when this happens.
If anyone has any ideas I would be most grateful. I always used to feel like a twit explaining it to other people but if anyone will be able to help then I know the Knowflakes will!

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 08, 2008 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message

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bunnies
Knowflake

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posted June 08, 2008 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you HSC.
I just looked up sleep paralysis on Wikepedia and it describes my experience exactly....and then there is another bit about the folklore attached to it and you are thinking....Mmmmm.....
Let me tell you now.....REM brain waves my a**! Something was sitting on my legs!!!

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nattie33
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posted June 08, 2008 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nattie33     Edit/Delete Message
I have suffered with sleep paralysis since i was eight years old. For me it takes the form of not being able to move anything just my eyes. i cant get my voice..It has started and stopped over the years.. a couple of years ago it took on a different tone with the buzzing. and noises. i haven't had it for the past eight months or so. Also it has no ryhme or reason when it starts or stops it seems

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ListensToTrees
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posted June 08, 2008 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting. I use to get a lot of vivid night terrors, but this was when I was very young, under the age of 5 or so. I also experienced that "buzzing" sound, and was convinced something was trying to take me away somewhere....so I would hold on to the side of the blankets tight each night. I would cover my ears too, to avoid that buzzing sound. This habit continued for many years, until one day I told myself it was silly of me- that I must try to sleep without covering my ears to prevent getting too hot....I was maybe in my early teens by this time, or just before. But that night, as I was just dozing off, I actually felt something touch my ear and it FREAKED me out! So that was that!

Besides that, a powerful experience through prayer seemed to help those vivid night terrors disappear which were experienced early on........

Just sharing my thoughts.

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posted June 08, 2008 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Both of my parents have also experienced the sleep paralysis.

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ellabelle97
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posted June 10, 2008 01:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ellabelle97     Edit/Delete Message
I think I've experienced something similar. When I lived at my parents house, it was hard for me to go to sleep because I felt like someone/thing was in the room with me and I was frightened. But I'd just put it out of my mind and eventually fall asleep. Until a year prior to this, I had NEVER had any problems like this. As a kid, I was never scared of the dark and thought all the other kids who did were wusses.

There was one night where I was actually laying on my back (I always sleep on my stomach or side- it makes me feel safe I think.. weird I know) I was lying on my back and I forced my eyes open because a DARK figure was casually sitting right by my head on my bed, talking to me. (Now explain this- above my head is a window and light shines thru. Why could I see the details of my room, but not see the face of this "male"??Or ANY details for that matter? He was PITCH black..) He talked like he knew me and had visited me before and that'd I'd been willing to receive him. He acted like he wanted to touch me, hug me.. that he missed me.. I don't know. But I did not want him to. It was like a subconscious thing like I knew him, but my mind didn't remember. I don't know if this is making any sense..But I was freaking out in my mind, but couldn't move my body. Just my eyes and maybe my head.

I remember fighting to speak, fighting to say no, fighting to move. It came slowly and I was finally able to move my head and say no. Then he was gone.

My mom has had something press her down into the water bed so that she was hitting the board on the bottom (she said it was painful and she could barely breathe the pressure was so intense) and she said something like you did bunnies and it immediately eased up.

When I lived in my own apt, I experienced other things. A friend of mine who knows ..things.. came into this apt. I had never mentioned anything to him. He asked me if I had ever felt a presence in the apt. I said yes. He told me to do the sage leaves thing. He also told me to sleep with the door shut (something I can attest to with another story) and sleep on my right side whenever possible. Sleeping on your back leaves you "open". I've read articles in mags that say "what kind of sleeper are you?" and then list what type of person you are by the way you sleep. I remember it saying back sleepers are more open and have less to hide. Makes sense I guess.

There was this guy, I'll find his name tomorrow and the name of his book, who was on the Chelsea Lately show who sees spirits.
He said that spirits sense fear and can indeed attach themselves to you. I have another story about that for you later bunnies. I don't know if any of this applies to your story other that the fact that I could move and there was a presence in my room.

Do you sleep on your back?

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bunnies
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posted June 10, 2008 03:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks ella.
Actually when I checked sleep paralysis on Wikepedia it said it often happened when sleeping on your back. But this is something I never do.

I read the rational explanation for it and it dismisses any supernatural causes very neatly but when you saw that figure sat on your bed what seems a more plausible explanation?
I just don't understand why (if you read the folklore from all around the world) everyone's experiences are eerily similar.
I feel if it was confused REM waves, then all experiences would be different, like dreams.
And why I felt the need to use that expression.
I am not religious in the sense that I felt the expression "In the name of all that is holy" would be better than my usual riposte of "Oi...**** off!

And why the pain? And the feeling of pressure.
I shall try to believe the rational explanation but I'm not really convinced!

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NosiS
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posted June 10, 2008 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message
I have had this happen to me in a different way. I once woke up, unable to move, and absolutely certain that there was someone in the room with me, holding me down in some way.

I would not be too concerned about it. There is something frightening about it when it happens and I am pretty certain that it has to do with our common, everyday consciousness. There are processes that occur during sleep and, by this, I do not refer only to the physical processes but to those Spiritual processes which underline those physical processes. I hope that it may suffice to say that these are not evil beings and are not evil in any way. On the contrary, they are there to protect you, to preserve you during your "fall" into the realms you reach when you sleep. I have found that in the moments in between waking and sleep, the possibility for Spiritual perception is heightened and we are likely to experience it with a very rude awakening. Our ego does not understand them, so to speak. We "see" these Spiritual Beings with us and it freaks us out. But that is the truth, regardless of our ignorance of it. There is a meaning here within your experience of it and I only hope that my writing here will urge you on the path to revealing that meaning.

"Blessed are the beggars in spirit, for they shall reach the kingdom of heaven within themselves."

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alpha trion
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posted June 10, 2008 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alpha trion     Edit/Delete Message
Dear NosiS,

The experiences of people makes one wonder as to the real intentions of these spirit beings. IN case their intention is good, why do they disappear when one says a prayer meant to disperse evil? I find this topic interesting. I don't think that any rational explanations will be able to entirely explain this matter.

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NosiS
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posted June 10, 2008 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message
Hello, alpha trion.

At the current level of my understanding, I sit here and write as one who has experienced a resonance to the words that have been written in this thread. I express only those matters with which I have formed an opinion (by means of my current consciousness) and not as one who holds a "true relationship" to this Spiritual World, as of yet.

As I understand it, a Spiritual Being of Light and of good will would "leave" (in most cases) upon the reciting of a prayer meant to disperse evil, despite their intention being to the contrary. If the will of those who are experiencing the presence of the Spiritual is expressed in discomfort (especially in words), then the Spiritual will concede to that will to a certain extent. I find the reverse to be true in regards to those beings of "evil intent". A simple prayer will not do away with that which is detrimental to us.

Rational explanations will not be able to entirely explain this and similar matters. That is certain and reminds me of a quote from the Gospel of John:

"And there are also many things which Jesus did; and I suppose that were they all written down one after the other, the world could not contain all the books that would have to be written."

That is not to say, however, that rational thought cannot help to further understand these occurrences and to bring certain things to light. One of the biggest problems we face in this current culture is the foundations by which our rational thought finds its everyday expression. Our age still finds itself sinking into the material world, and rightly so, but I daresay we've not yet hit "rock bottom". As a result of this materialism, one of the foundations of our rational thought is the denial of anything other than matter, anything other than "what is". This does not compel the entire population to think this way. To those who decide to build their thinking on a different foundation, this only represents a rip-tide that they must "swim" against. It should be reinforced that this "swimming" is by no means a "fun" and "recreational" swim. Any who swim in this fashion will be quickly pulled back to the tide of the common age.

When I read your quote,

quote:
"I don't think that any rational explanations will be able to entirely explain this matter."

I begin to feel two things that stem from it. One is the conscious acknowledgment of the limits of rational thought. The other suggests a denial of the ability of rational thought to even lead the way to a clearer understanding of this matter.
The truth is that rational thought can take us much farther than what we currently understand. Without this rational thought, we could not accomplish the mission that our humanity is set towards. Though there may come a tomorrow in which another process will supersede the process of rational thought, our duties are currently placed before us in the use of rational thought and the extension of its true power.

Our faculties are fully capable of penetrating the Spiritual worlds. The question is then, "how far can we really swim?"

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charmainec
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posted June 11, 2008 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message
Bunnies, this happens to me too and sometimes it feels like someone is sitting on my feet or sitting next to my feet.

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bunnies
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posted June 12, 2008 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message
And what do you think it is charmainec?
Confused brain waves....or someone or something actually sitting on your feet!!
The paralysis is supposed to be the body's way of protecting you from thrashing about when dreaming but if you saw my bedclothes in the morning....I thrash!!
I swear I can actually feel there are fingers pinching into me. It's horrible!!

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charmainec
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posted June 13, 2008 03:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message
Bunnies, I wish I had a logical answer. Some people have scientific answers but sometimes there are things that science cannot explain. Most times I'm not even 'paralized' when I get the sitting - on - my - feet sensation. One can feel a definate weight or as I mentioned before someone sitting next to your feet. I never feel scared when this happens though.

Your case sounds more severe. When this happens to you is there a change of temperature in your room?

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What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

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future_uncertain
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posted June 17, 2008 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message
Bunnies-- this has happened to me as well. The specifics were slightly different but overall the same: the pressure/weight, the "buzzing" you described which to me seemed like very strong wind (even after it stopped my face still felt like it was stinging as though I had been through a very strong, loud wind). It hasn't happened for a while, but the last time I saw at the edge of my bed the source of the wind-- it was an angel moving its wings rapidly enough to cause a strong and audible air current, and as I watched the angel it turned into my now-husband. I was awake the entire time-- in a moment it disappeared and I was staring at the empty space like "what the...???"

It hasn't happened since, but happened on and off in the years before. Sometimes for no apparent reason, but I do recall that every time I attempted astral projection it ended like this.

It's weird in any case.

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bunnies
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posted June 18, 2008 03:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message
Now THAT is an experience!
And a much more soothing explanation than the folklore of demons and aliens coming to visit!
Now let me get this right....the angel morphed into your husband?
So what did the angel look like? And is your husband angelic or just usual husband material.
Did anything happen to your husband after this visitation? E.g did he have some event in his life that meant he needed comfort?
Or do you think the angel was just protecting you while you astral travelled.
Fascinating!

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Kat
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posted June 18, 2008 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kat     Edit/Delete Message
Here's a rational explanation - if you're up for it so take what you'd like

Dreams are an extention of ourselves, our thoughts feeling, perceptions,etc. All characters in a dream really are ourselves presented as someone else in some bizarre subconscious way of not confronting our _________ or an attempt to make sense of a difficult situation. (whatever you want to fill in this blank.) When I was vacationing Napa, an earthquake hit early in the dawn. I had a strange dream that a man was in my room and was shaking my bed. I thought how strange - why dream a man was violently shaking my bed? I checked the clock and went back to sleep. Later the next day I finally put two and two together that it was actually an earthquake , the dream was how my brain could process that an earthquake hit, especially since I have experienced very few quakes in my life.

So, if someone is sitting on your legs causing pain in your dream, could you have a hidden medical condition? Are you putting too much pressure on yourself and causing alot of pain or causing you to neglect some other aspect of yourself? Could you possibly be unaware of some medical, spiritual, psychological, emotional issue that needs attention and your addressing? It's heavy and may take some time to figure out, but I think you MAY be unaware of some part of you that desparately wants your attention. Creepy people in dreams really are the "creepy" part of ourselves.

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future_uncertain
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posted June 25, 2008 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message
bunnies--

the angel was pretty non-descript-- kind of grayish in the morning light. And then, yes--morphed right into my husband. He was just standing there in normal clothing looking at me then disappeared. I was actually leaning up on my elbow watching-- fully awake! It was certainly strange.

But nothing special after that. He hadn't been dreaming of me or anything out of the ordinary. And he is certainly no angel! I'd expect to see horns above his head before I would a halo! He's an ornery one.

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