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balancingflames
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posted September 19, 2011 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for balancingflames     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How would one recognise one's karmic debt in their current lifetime? And if one recognises their debt, how can one "pay out" their debt?

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posted September 19, 2011 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for abcd efg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Balancingflames did you happen to read the thread on karma in Spider Line?

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posted September 19, 2011 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for balancingflames     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks abcd.

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posted December 25, 2011 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you have ill feelings for someone? Or does someone have ill feelings for you? Karmic debt. Forgiveness stops the cycle.

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posted December 31, 2011 04:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Do you have ill feelings for someone? Or does someone have ill feelings for you? Karmic debt. Forgiveness stops the cycle.

I refer to it as;
"Getting Off The Karmic Payback Wheel"
It is the only way to break the cycle.

It is not about getting off the wheel of life as many believe.
It is about no more eye for an eye vengeance,
no more he hit me so I hit him and repeating such actions or holding grudges.
And if for example you did wrong someone.
Sincerely apologize and harm no more.
Forgive yourself too of committing errors.
That forgiving is not only to be given to others, but to yourself.


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posted January 19, 2012 03:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wrote this essay to a friend last week:


To understand karmic debts is the first step towards personal freedom and assured evolution/ascension to Higher Realms [whether from Earth itself or in the next Incarnation]. And there is no better tool than Astrology for this.

Some Karma exists in our genes, inherited from our ancestors [Ancient Vedic Seers contend we are affected by 7 generations of Karmic Debts of our Ancestors].

Then, we have our own Life Streams. We do repay most of the debts prior to the next incarnation but the Mind Pattern of Guilt from negative actions of past life streams can [and unfortunately in majority of cases, does] create a new cycle of suffering. Plus our thoughts and actions, plus a reaction to others karmic actions, all of these keep us bound to waves of karmic debts that take shape during planetary transits [especially of Saturn or of transits to our Natal Saturn].

Our Causal Body [This is a Vedic Term, it may translate to OverSoul or Highest Self ] is the repository of unpaid karmic debts too, debts too powerful to be paid across one incarnation. It is said only when the Causal Body is clear of karmic debts, only then can Kundalini Energy safely rise from our Root Chakra to the Crown. Kundalini controlled by our Conscious Mind in our Crown is the passport to Immortality.

Gnostic Seers determined that there are Astral Parasites who provoke humanity to think negatively and keep us bound to Karmic Debt, so that they can keep consuming our Divine Light [which we get from our Spiritual Connection to the Infinite God of all Universes]. It is theorized that all orthodox religions are a devious invention of these Archons [and even other belief systems like Conventional New Age, worship of celebrities, addictions, promotion of greedy corporate families that attempt world control through negative media reports, electronic pollution etc] to make us give our personal energy away to them, through idol or icon worship.

According to Gnostics, Jesus tried to break this hypnotic spell of the Archon's chief diety [Demiurge or Samael] who tricked Moses into seeking his help in return for sacrifices involving blood [so many passages in the Old Testament are evidence of the strange practices imposed on the Hebrew survivors from Egypt].

Buddha tried the same through his 8 Fold Path [8 is the Number of Saturn, Buddha was born on a confluence of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, Planets beyond Saturn and hence Buddha wanted us to attain freedom from the influence of Saturn.]

Putting all of this together, your karmic debts are influenced by the interplay of so many actors. Through good actions and positive thoughts, you may have paid off most debts but this is precisely when the Astral Dark side will try to deceive through guilt, emotional blackmail and so on.
This is when you have to be at your strongest, and Know your Inner Immortal Spiritual Self. The Self that deserves to be free from karmic debts, free to be happy and positive and free to grow to Higher Levels. Free from all Astral and psychic parasites.

How you do this depends on your inner inspiration.
My humble suggestion is to combine the techniques of Jesus and Buddha. You cannot go wrong when attempting to emulate such Selfless Souls. Jesus focused on Forgiveness. Buddha on Balance and Non-Reactiveness to emotional provocation. Adding to this is of course continued positive service towards any cause you love. Further, positive visualizations for as many people you know will burn off tons of karma. Our thoughts are also things in some other dimension of existence. You can look at simple H'opono pono philosophy to forgive from a Higher Plane, forgive on behalf of all ancestors and all past lifelines etc.

Life will become instantly lighter and new solutions will come, the more you work on the forgiveness component. Last but not the least: Unconditional Forgiveness of your own Self in each and every incarnation. This paves the way for Self Appreciation and acceptance of a better and better life, free from karmic debts.

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posted January 19, 2012 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wonderful input IQ! Thanks so much for sharing with us .

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posted January 19, 2012 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I imagine that the more enlightened you are the less that natal aspects and transits will have power over you and affect you.

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posted January 20, 2012 07:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
True Amelia. The aspects will get satisfied but in lowering levels of intensity. However, my essay did not cover all points of Karma.

We also have:=
Soul Contracts: If one is tired of the perfectly cushy 5th D life and wants the action of 3D Role Playing Game on Earth, one can create a Soul Contract for X-Incarnations with N Karmic Debts, and an exit plan from a "Walk-In" if things get too tough. We may have 13 Souls per Higher Self ready to Walk-In during distress.


Religious/Nationality/ET Race Karma: A controversial point. Humanity is said to have DNA from many species, if a particularly warlike species has huge collective debts, then even a few DNA codes from that race can download some of the collective debt when hard work has release tons of personal debt. Wise Souls must thus not stop with forgiving themselves and their direct ancestors, but must also forgive on behalf of all their genetic contributors.
Plenty of suffering in Pakistan, India and Bangladesh is due to collective karmic debts of the Muslim Invaders in the middle ages and the Aryan Invaders a few centuries earlier. Of course, the Brahmins and the Muslims would conveniently be in denial, and keep feeding the Archons Matrix lifeline after lifeline...

Past Life Oaths: These create huge obstacles to success. The lack of success can create negative reactions, depressed feelings and thus create new cycles of karma. Many who were Nuns in the past life never thought about reincarnation. In this lifeline, they cannot find love. They have to release these oaths through affirmations. They have to visualize leaving those oppressive orders in the past lifeline. And they will suddenly find love in a fresh Venus Transit as that obstacle has been removed.


Favors for Soul Group/Soul Cluster: One can take on some of their kids karmic debts in the present [whatever is permitted by their Higher Self]. Gurus regularly take their disciple's karmic debts. A famous Saint took on Emperor Akbar's karma to not have a child, and lost his own in his wife's miscarriage. Akbar got a son a year later, probably the same Soul went there.

Sacrificial Birth/Vindictive Birth:
If things are very difficult for loved ones, then one can be reborn as their child or grandchild and borrow a huge chunk of their karmic debts. So many times we can see the birth of a child suddenly changing the luck of struggling parents. The reverse is also possible. If a couple has enjoyed a lot of positivity and there is a bloke who they hurt in many past lifelines, he can be born to them and create many mishaps in their life. Finally, he will inherit their wealth upon their death and prosper. This unfortunately can lead to negative cycles unless all of them forgive each other.
The classical novel "Wuthering Heights" is all about such karmic debts destroying a family, only the villain was an adopted kid.

Interference Karma: If we help others without their or their Higher Self permission, and take away their lesson, we get a percentage of the karmic retribution which their lesson was to have brought them.
This karma becomes tremendous if we rush to save someone who turns out to be a robber or murderer in later life. The escape for this is to ask God to release all errors done unknowingly and to explicitly seek forgiveness of indirect karmas of helped people.

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I am sure there is lots and lots more to Karma than what I have written. Some Sages even speak of the Karma of the Universe's Shakti (Adya) for Manifesting from the Eternal, Infinite Un-Manifest Energy of God.
This Karma is balanced only when God takes back all this Manifest Energy into Himself.
Very very deep stuff, the Laws and Types of Karma


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posted January 21, 2012 03:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow IQ! This is soo fascinatin . Thanks for sharing this. I have goose pumps everywhere LOL...I love this topic.


The past life oaths piece makes me think of venus in the 12th or venus retrograde. I know two people, one w/ venus in the 12th and one with venus retrograde and both have strong saturn influence in their chart and they crave love but hold back from it, is like if part of them feels like they don't deserve it or is not for them, probably both. One of them the venus in the 12th tells me that several people have told him he was shaman in several past life, it makes sense that past life oath promise is holding him back from romantic love bc it feels wrong to him in some cellular level!

The other guy is in his late 30s still a virgin, only has had one girlfriend, very much wants to find a girl and get married but he is what is keeping it from happening ultimately. He is spiritual and religious as well. In fact I suspect his 12th house is in Sagittarius bc it does describe him well, he is private about his beliefs, very, doesn't talk about religion really but goes to church I think several times a week. I think at some point he was even considering been a priest and the other guy has considered becoming a monk.

...and my bestfriend from childhood would role play as a kid that he was a priest and use to want to be one when he was a child. My best friend from childhood also has venus in the 12th. He was also my first kiss which happened when him and I were role playing that we were married with kids and his juno conjuncts my southnode. Perhaps when we are kids we roleplay past lifes without realizing it sometimes. I was once told that I look like a psychologist, nun or a teacher by a complete stranger that knew nothing of me and just saw briefly and never saw again.

I also have past life with the one that says he was shaman....his saturn conjuncts by one orb my soutnode, his uranus by 6 orbs and his venus by 9 orbs but his venus conjuncts my part of lovers by 3 orbs and my sun/moon midpoint by 3 orbs and my neptune by 2 orbs.

So I am thinking he was my shaman in a past life Mainly but we were also lovers for a while and in this life I have to help him find his way and get out of the depression he is in which is the result of him not forgiving himself about a past life I bet but he doesnt realize this but you have helped me see that this is the root of his depression...He feels guilty about feeling anger so that is a hint to me (excessive guilt), he feels guilty tooo easily and bits himself up.

The venus retrograde guy is my brother but I dont see anything aspecting my SN and my 12th with him or vica versa.

Anyways you bring enlightenment to me! thank you! and may the universe continue blessing you .

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posted February 03, 2012 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Do you have ill feelings for someone? Or does someone have ill feelings for you? Karmic debt. Forgiveness stops the cycle.

this IS the KEY for many a conditiion, forgiveness of others AND self ....

I also agree with IQ about soul contracts. We all incarnate to learn certain Lessons with certain people.... free will can take you the high road or the low road, but eventually you Learn the Lesson. If you don't learn then it will be repeated.

how often do you hear of women being abused and go from one abuser to the next. unfortunately they haven't learn.....

I don't see karma as 'that complex' life is simple, live simply. Your IM prescence or Hihger Self will guide you. doorkeepers and guide will also help with your Lessons.

Another thing, Soul Mates, twin flames can be good karma OR bad karma. It's all a learning lesson, when you have learnt you can both *move one* you don't have to prolong, espec if is misery or ill treatment.

I do believe we are all here, at this exciting time, to learn about Ascension. Some will leave some will stay in 3D, some will Ascend. By that I mean become full of light,activate our 'light bodies' like Jesus

His divine, virgin birth is more believable after hearing the story of Stewart Swerdlow. A survivor of THE MONTAUK PROJECT
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/000120.html

his mother didn't have a *birth canal* so after getting pregnant had surgery to create one. He has extra vertabra, 5fingers and sounds very much like a genetic experiment to me....
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/004425.html

not sure what mods have done here, same thread in two forums...
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posted March 26, 2012 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pandacake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by iQ:
I wrote this essay to a friend last week:


To understand karmic debts is the first step towards personal freedom and assured evolution/ascension to Higher Realms [whether from Earth itself or in the next Incarnation]. And there is no better tool than Astrology for this.

Some Karma exists in our genes, inherited from our ancestors [Ancient Vedic Seers contend we are affected by 7 generations of Karmic Debts of our Ancestors].

Then, we have our own Life Streams. We do repay most of the debts prior to the next incarnation but the Mind Pattern of Guilt from negative actions of past life streams can [and unfortunately in majority of cases, does] create a new cycle of suffering. Plus our thoughts and actions, plus a reaction to others karmic actions, all of these keep us bound to waves of karmic debts that take shape during planetary transits [especially of Saturn or of transits to our Natal Saturn].

Our Causal Body [This is a Vedic Term, it may translate to OverSoul or Highest Self ] is the repository of unpaid karmic debts too, debts too powerful to be paid across one incarnation. It is said only when the Causal Body is clear of karmic debts, only then can Kundalini Energy safely rise from our Root Chakra to the Crown. Kundalini controlled by our Conscious Mind in our Crown is the passport to Immortality.

Gnostic Seers determined that there are Astral Parasites who provoke humanity to think negatively and keep us bound to Karmic Debt, so that they can keep consuming our Divine Light [which we get from our Spiritual Connection to the Infinite God of all Universes]. It is theorized that all orthodox religions are a devious invention of these Archons [and even other belief systems like Conventional New Age, worship of celebrities, addictions, promotion of greedy corporate families that attempt world control through negative media reports, electronic pollution etc] to make us give our personal energy away to them, through idol or icon worship.

According to Gnostics, Jesus tried to break this hypnotic spell of the Archon's chief diety [Demiurge or Samael] who tricked Moses into seeking his help in return for sacrifices involving blood [so many passages in the Old Testament are evidence of the strange practices imposed on the Hebrew survivors from Egypt].

Buddha tried the same through his 8 Fold Path [8 is the Number of Saturn, Buddha was born on a confluence of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, Planets beyond Saturn and hence Buddha wanted us to attain freedom from the influence of Saturn.]

Putting all of this together, your karmic debts are influenced by the interplay of so many actors. Through good actions and positive thoughts, you may have paid off most debts but this is precisely when the Astral Dark side will try to deceive through guilt, emotional blackmail and so on.
This is when you have to be at your strongest, and Know your Inner Immortal Spiritual Self. The Self that deserves to be free from karmic debts, free to be happy and positive and free to grow to Higher Levels. Free from all Astral and psychic parasites.

How you do this depends on your inner inspiration.
My humble suggestion is to combine the techniques of Jesus and Buddha. You cannot go wrong when attempting to emulate such Selfless Souls. Jesus focused on Forgiveness. Buddha on Balance and Non-Reactiveness to emotional provocation. Adding to this is of course continued positive service towards any cause you love. Further, positive visualizations for as many people you know will burn off tons of karma. Our thoughts are also things in some other dimension of existence. You can look at simple H'opono pono philosophy to forgive from a Higher Plane, forgive on behalf of all ancestors and all past lifelines etc.

Life will become instantly lighter and new solutions will come, the more you work on the forgiveness component. Last but not the least: Unconditional Forgiveness of your own Self in each and every incarnation. This paves the way for Self Appreciation and acceptance of a better and better life, free from karmic debts.


Thank you for sharing this, this is very insightful and answered a lot of questions!

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