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peachbeigeblue
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posted May 10, 2012 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peachbeigeblue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just read today that nodes of the moon, moon, and sun in karmic houses mean it's your last reincarnation. I didn't want to bogart Rosalind's thread asking a ton of questions on the matter so I started a new one.

Personally I am not surprised that my chart indicates its my last reincarnation/karmic lesson. I remember reading about an horary where someone asked "will I fulfill my destiny on earth this life or will I come back again?" and I wondered the same thing bc I saw myself being done after this one because my interest in the occult and spiritual things on top of feeling complete. My NN is in 4th house Pisces. My best friend is also very interested and her NN is in Pisces on the 10th so her SN is in the 4th.

I am wondering your theories on this - also what would happen if someone didn't fulfill their karmic lesson in their last reincarnation. My exbf has a 5 planet stellium in Libra (including his sun) in his 12th house. I don't think he will but talks about suicide a lot. After we broke up I told him the only way I would stay friends with him was if he saw a therapist. What are your theories about suicide during the last reincarnation? Would he be damned for ever or just have to relive his current life?

Also if you can suggest any links or books on this topic, it'd be much appreciated.

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posted May 10, 2012 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a really intersting topic and I used to have a really cool book on it years ago. Unfortunately I lost it cannot remember the authors name :-(
But I will say on suicide, that we are all human and we also suffer from mental illnesses and no choice in life no matter how misguided means you are damned forever least of all suicide.

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posted May 10, 2012 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lllog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd take what you read with a grain of salt. Just because someone speculates on that being the case, doesn't make it so.

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aquaguy91
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posted May 10, 2012 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have sun ,saturn,and north node in the twelfth,and i dont think its my last life,i still have a long way to go.

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posted May 10, 2012 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I donīt believe in "being damned forever".
From a reincarnation`s point of view I`d say someone who committed suicide probably will be back for another round to learn to respect and honour life in any form.
It`s only my opinions of course.

BTW I am constantly puzzled as why it seems so important to some to know this is their last incarnation.
I wouldn`t even want it to be my last time around.
Is this only me?
Or are there others who actually love being here?

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posted May 10, 2012 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd like to come back... I love lessons

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posted May 10, 2012 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Peach, listen carefully what I am about to say because it might help and bf a lot. First thing you should know: 4th,8th and 12th are also known as KARMIC houses. Why? Simple. 4th house represents your childhood and your life as an old person. Childhood means early life. Later life means we have reached our MATURITY. 8th house is obviously the house of DEATH and things related to UNDERWORLD. 12th house is the house of SPIRITUAL world aka HELL , LIMBO or HEAVEN. These are called karmic house because deals with LIFE and DEATH. Most of the people don't believe in reicarnation because hey, religion is doing its part. Religious people believe only in HELL and HEAVEN. They are "absolute" sure that after death they will go in heaven if they were good people or hell if they were bad. They do not believe in a second chance of mending their mistakes like reincarnation. Now, I do not have an actual definition why only these three houses are karmic, the only thing I know is they are. Usually only advanced souls who lives many lives before their current can have these placements. People usually reincarnate 9 times in their existence. When the 9th life comes, the native feels he's different. Young souls, dont feel ant difference and thats because they don't have experience, of course. But with old souls is different. They born with a great experience of life and wisdom who is "caged" in their subcouncious mind until the right time comes. They already know who they are and what they have to do. When Nodes hit the 4th house for example, they have a family karma. In this case, they become the FATHER and MOTHER of their own parents and family. They have to "educate" their family. Usually people with this placement come from a very special family. Aka, or the family members are problematic or they have no idea how to act like a family. Therefore the native needs to stay close with him family and to create a REAL family. However, not only his family is important here, but also him as human being. His karmic lesson is also to see himself grow, to know very well his ROOTS and to accept his ORIGINS. Aka to love his country, his race etc.
Regarding people who commit suicide... you wont see an OLD SOUL doing that. Even he attempt to do so, an OLD soul will never commit suicide. Because of his experience from previous lives and wisdom he knows that suicide is not a solution but a waste. I am an old soul and I wanted to kill myself. In the end I didnt do it. I knew it was a waste.
People who commit suicide are young souls, who's life is confusing them and they don't have that experience and wisdom to overcome problems because they didnt learn their all karmic lessons. Some commit suicide because they fear life, or because they are desperate or simply because their enviroment is poisonous. When they die due the suicide, they know that their punishment increased. Yes, reincarnation is a punishment. These karmic lesson we have to learn are punishments but not from God. Karma means actions. When we reincarnate, our soul knows we made many mistakes and we made many people suffer and we have to pay for that. Only by knowing suffering we will know also the happiness. There isnt another way. 4th,8th and 12th house are houses that deals with: BODY or LIFE as HUMANS (4th) DEATH (8th) and THE WORLD OF SOULS (12th). Are karmic because first and foremost we must understand WHO WE ARE, what we live, the meaning of death and where we will end up to.
As I was saying, people who commit suicide stay 7 years in limbo until they choose their next reincanation. They soul choose in base of the gravity their mistakes, how will pay in their next life. In my last life, before this one, I didnt commit suicide but I was a very bad person. I did a lot of mistakes, cheated, made people suffer and I didnt care for humans at all. In this life, I'm exactly the opposite. My soul also chose to born into a damaged body (the presence of a another karmic planet like Pluto in 12th house gave me a permanent illness). My life is not easy. In my early life I knew something was different about me. I started acting mature very soon. I started to understand pretty late that this is my life and this is how I should live. My 4th and 8th house are empty however but the presence of SN and Pluto in 12th + a lot of karma study have shown me the truth. Not to mention my psychic abilities. You wont find a psychic through young souls. They don't have the power to manage this gift. They might have strong intuition but being a psychic means a lot more.
Again...coming back to suicide, these people wont go to hell. They have to pay for what they did. In karma, God has nothing to do here. Therefore, people who commit suicide broke the ruler of life (they ended their life circle and karma circle by taking their own life). Since they refused to life the live they were given, they have to reincarnate again. Life is NEVER easy. Yes, we do find happiness and we receive good things in life but that doesnt mean life is easy. Life is and always was a permanent struggle. No man is a saint no matter how good it is in life and with people. A single error might make him reincarnate again. Reicarnation is a very taboo subject for many people. Including for myself. I still have a lot to learn about my life, my existence and my karma.
Also, reincarnation is like a shattered glass. Has many theories, therefore take everything I said as another theory. I don't want to start a flame. Everything I wrote here is only from my knowledge.

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posted May 10, 2012 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yup that's beautiful ^^

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posted May 10, 2012 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rosalind, wow great explanation...I have nn in leo in 4th, its forming a t square with my asc/chiron-desc/mercury...my life has been painful, but I am learning to deal with it...Im not sure what it means in my reincarnation...

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posted May 10, 2012 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naturalbeige     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm also wondering about astrology and reincarnation also. Recently, I came to the belief that my boyfriend is a soulmate in that we'll also meet in another world after we pass. I feel that both of us are compatible with our spirituality and values. I'm an atheist, but I do believe in going to another world that is similar to the real world, like another reality but more holistic. As far as what I think about death, I like to think that once we get into our old age we have the power to regain our youth in the spiritual world and help others in that world and the real world.

I have Neptune and Mars in Capricorn at the 12th House, Moon in Pisces at Second House, Pluto and Venus in Scorpio at the MC, and Sun in Virgo at the 8th House. Those houses have the strongest influences in my chart.

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posted May 10, 2012 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
BTW I am constantly puzzled as why it seems so important to some to know this is their last incarnation.


Same. I don't understand the fuss.

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posted May 10, 2012 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peachbeigeblue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you. It is very taboo to most people so that's why I wanted to bring this up since most people in my everyday life aren't open to it. My best friend, however, is as well. We both feel like old souls. I have been through trauma - pluto in the 12th and have contemplated suicide but I feel that I am to evolved to do it. I have my own personal theories about religions and God. I do believe in reincarnation and am trying to navigate how I think it fits in my other beliefs. I just like exploring this sort of stuff so when I saw you mention there may be indicators in the birth chart that might show the last reincarnation.. I was interested. Thank you for sharing your theory, Rosalind.

Thank you to everyone who replied.

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posted May 10, 2012 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peachbeigeblue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ceridwen:
[b]BTW I am constantly puzzled as why it seems so important to some to know this is their last incarnation.


Same. I don't understand the fuss.

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It's not a fuss. I am okay if it is, I am okay if it isn't. I just had the feeling it was. I'm just starting a discussion. Did not realize that defined a fuss

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posted May 10, 2012 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neptunicity     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice info Rosalind. My taurus north node is also in the 4th house, and i get all these weird problems, not to mention a weird family, lol. Who would've thought this is my destiny? Little by little i'm becoming enlightened.

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posted May 10, 2012 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lazyscarecrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
Thank you. It is very taboo to most people so that's why I wanted to bring this up since most people in my everyday life aren't open to it. My best friend, however, is as well. We both feel like old souls. I have been through trauma - pluto in the 12th and have contemplated suicide but I feel that I am to evolved to do it. I have my own personal theories about religions and God. I do believe in reincarnation and am trying to navigate how I think it fits in my other beliefs. I just like exploring this sort of stuff so when I saw you mention there may be indicators in the birth chart that might show the last reincarnation.. I was interested. Thank you for sharing your theory, Rosalind.

Thank you to everyone who replied.


As a fellow Pluto 12th houser, everything you said resonates with me deeply. From having your own visions of religion/God (my own is WAY different from the people who live where I am) and the "old soul" feeling. Suicide is something I've also contemplated more than a few times but at the end of the day, I wouldn't have the balls to go through with it and despite all I've been through I know there's a reason for it.

I just wanted to co-sign your statement. And I also give my thanks, Rosalind.

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posted May 10, 2012 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sashar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I wouldn`t even want it to be my last time around.
Is this only me?

Well, it sure isn't me. I'm done, don't want to go round again, thank you very much. Just want to go home (don't ask because I don't know, those are the words that go through my head when I get overly stressed no matter where I am).

I don't know what the Karmic houses are, but I have my True Node Direct - which I've read means I'm trying to deal with all my karmic stuff all at once in this life... and if that's true, it's a pain in my behind. Too much, don't want to do it any more. Hopefully this life will get it all out of the system and it'll be done and over with.

There is just so much stupidly bad stuff that happens in the world, that shouldn't happen if people just freakin' cared about one another. It's so darn frustrating that I just do not ever want to come back. Ever.

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posted May 10, 2012 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Be strong sashar

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posted May 10, 2012 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sashar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
Be strong sashar

XD I'll happily serve my time, but I hope that when it's over I won't be up for another round. I'm strong, just annoyed and frustrated at the potential that people don't seem to care to grasp.


And thank you.

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posted May 10, 2012 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mysticknowflake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My NN is in my 11th... conjunct Saturn... so, I do believe this is my last incarnation on this plane.

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posted May 10, 2012 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
It's not a fuss. I am okay if it is, I am okay if it isn't. I just had the feeling it was. I'm just starting a discussion. Did not realize that defined a fuss

Why so defensive.

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posted May 10, 2012 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgolotus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great topic

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posted May 10, 2012 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are pupils in school supposed to be punished for not knowing enough?

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posted May 11, 2012 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW I am perfectly okay with people not wanting to come back.
I`m just different in this regard.

Also even though I believe in reincarnation, still every life is unique.


EDIT:
Sorry, I didnīt mean to derail this thread.

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posted May 11, 2012 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great topic, amazing commentary from Rosalind.

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posted May 11, 2012 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great thread!

Thought I'd link this one up, for those interested in this topic....(heavy 8th housers ... lol )
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/000686.html

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