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iQ
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posted July 13, 2012 05:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My personal hypothesis is from sheer official scientific incompetence in determining how the Human Brain
[which officially is made from the chance creation of DNA using chemical soup, and from millions of chance mutations to DNA codes to ensure a beautiful network of more than billion ionic chemical based sensors just happened by random chance] processes Languages, especially the second language. When the second language system cannot be determined, how can emotions, visual processing algorithms from retinal stimuli be encoded? How can dreams be visual, and visually recalled when the retina is not exposed to external light? And how can strong emotions be felt and processed when seeing something never seen in the real world [Like: Walking with someone near the Giza Pyramid in clothes never worn before, with camels nearby, when Egypt has never been visited.]

Surely the Brain has to have access beyond the conscious stimulus, and to sense emotions, the brain must feel as if it is a real life. And if it is not the present, it can only be a past life or a simultaneous occurring parallel life.

Another point is that until the Semitic religions were imposed in the middle east through war, conquest and even forced conversions by certain arab rulers, each and every indigenous civilization [7 to 10000 years ago for Vedic, similar timeline for Chinese] held Spiritual beliefs that strove for an explanation for the Spirit or Soul. Even for animals.


Anyway, my proofs are subjective for me. I would like to hear other views on why they think reincarnation, past lifelines or parallel life-streams are a possibility.

Links to stories of other people are most welcome.

One of my favorite researchers in this subject is Dr Stevenson: http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm
Over 3000 documented cases of children who spontaneously recalled past life events.
The genius has a hundred times more evidence than Dick Leaky's "missing links" to explain human evolution....

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posted July 13, 2012 06:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Beautiful evidence documented from the Holy Bible: http://www.markmason.net/ch16e1x1.htm

There is absolutely no deviation from Christianity [as per the Bible] to accept Human Reincarnation.

A more detailed analysis is available here: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen03.html

Even the Holy Quran has evidence. A very long and scholarly explananation is found here: http://www.understanding-islam.com/reader-articles/miscellaneous-issues/full-proof-that-the-koran-teaches-reincarnation-8029


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posted July 13, 2012 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you IQ

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posted July 14, 2012 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting.

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posted July 14, 2012 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by iQ:
My personal hypothesis is from sheer official scientific incompetence in determining how the Human Brain
[which officially is made from the chance creation of DNA using chemical soup, and from millions of chance mutations to DNA codes to ensure a beautiful network of more than billion ionic chemical based sensors just happened by random chance] processes Languages, especially the second language. When the second language system cannot be determined, how can emotions, visual processing algorithms from retinal stimuli be encoded? How can dreams be visual, and visually recalled when the retina is not exposed to external light? And how can strong emotions be felt and processed when seeing something never seen in the real world [Like: Walking with someone near the Giza Pyramid in clothes never worn before, with camels nearby, when Egypt has never been visited.]

Surely the Brain has to have access beyond the conscious stimulus, and to sense emotions, the brain must feel as if it is a real life. And if it is not the present, it can only be a past life or a simultaneous occurring parallel life.

Anyway, my proofs are subjective for me. I would like to hear other views on why they think reincarnation, past lifelines or parallel life-streams are a possibility.

Links to stories of other people are most welcome.


THANK YOU iQ for starting this thread!!

The questions you have posed above are VERY valid, and I've often wondered about some of the same things myself.

I haven't yet looked up every link you've posted, but I will, as this topic has great interest for me.

For now I think I'd just like to share a personal experience of a definite past life recall I had (if that's ok. Not sure if you asked for personal stories also. Anyway, you can let me know)

Some years back I shared an exact same dream with my Mom on the SAME night!. And given the time difference between our 2 cities, it was even more surprising that we had the dream at approximately the same time.

In the dream/recall we both saw my immediate family--Mom, Dad, my siblings and I in another place and another time that seemed different from our current life line.

When my Mom and I spoke on the phone the next day, we shared this dream/recall as well as the fact that we both had independently arrived at the same conclusion--that our family has been together as a family in a different lifeline!!

When I later discussed this with some friends (each of whom is on a disciplined spiritual path), I was told that not only did it did seem like a recall, but that it was highly unusual for two people to dream the same dream at the same time. I was told that 2 people having the same dream at different times has been heard of, but not at the same time. IQ, you can tell me if such an occurrence is really rare.

There are other real life stories that offer proof of re-incarnation that I may share a bit later.

For now I just want to say that aside from the scientific proof that you've alluded to in your opening post, on a soul level, it makes perfect sense that each soul is given more than one chance to get it right.

And here I think the Law of Karma is a big player. Even the Bible has references to what is commonly referred to as, "you reap what you sow," "what goes around, comes around," etc.

If we understand the Universal energies or God to be ever compassionate, then with the sheer number of mistakes we make as humans, it would make sense not only to be given more than one chance to get it right, but also that those "chances" be spread over multiple life lines just because it would be impossible to make up for all the mistakes we make in just one life time.

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posted July 14, 2012 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jovian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I appreciate your clarity on the matter, IQ.

Great interview with Stevenson. It is remarkable how disciplined, objective, cautious and, well, scientific he is with his own research and conclusions. Valuable stuff, for those who need science to help confirm the validity of past lives for themselves. (...I'm not speaking, of course, of those terminal non-believers who will simply never be moved by any proof...in this lifetime, anyway!) Seems like a great overview of his work and views.

“Although he trained as a Freudian psychoanalyst, he now says, ‘I feel sure that Freud will one day be considered a figure of fun. After his first book, which was clinically based, he became involved in theoretical musings and practically lost interest in investigation. He ended up inventing an inverted cone of theory supported by a tiny base of data.’” (But we can't say Freud isn't fun! Oedipus, Electra, anal, oral...lol!)


And this I found amusing:

“In other cases, they insist on being reunited with their former husbands, wives, or children. One Indian boy was passionately attached to the woman he said had been his former mistress and was trying to get her back, causing himself and her real distress.”

And that story of the girl Swarnlata… very neat.

My own sense of my "past lives," as we conventionally identify them at this time, are all the "proof" I need. ...The strong emotional reaction, upon sensing myself as part of situations that I certainly haven't been a part of in this lifetime, are what I go on... as if one were suddenly remembering something repressed from earlier in one's current lifetime, I imagine. ...Also, that the recollection seems helpful in explaining a current-life situation, relationship, or characteristic of my personality.

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posted July 15, 2012 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the comments. I must credit Steppenwolf for her magnificent thread in the Asteroid forum. That inspired me.

There is more to come, I was re-looking the structure of Human DNA. There appears to be insufficient data in the Human Genome to complete the construction of the Human Brain.

A skeptic like Richard Dawkins may show off his atheism but he knows zilch about computer programming. Thus, he cannot argue that random chance is more clever than the programmers who make Operating Systems. If he insists on that, then pity his closed brain.

Even an unsophisticated Operating System needs close to a million lines of compiled code [assuming Chip, Motherboard and Memory is already available, linked and fabricated to nano-meter precision].

Now, our DNA has to:
1. Read and then express the command to make approx 86 billion nerve cells and 100 billion glial cells.

2. Read, and then express the command to link the cells in a way to:
a) Process Sounds->thus, reading and expressing the exact sequence of sound wave data translation into language-> woops,now read and express a language database.
b)Recurse upwards without a single protein code of error, esle nobody would ever learn to speak.

3. Repeat a similar step for Visual Processing, especially the Retina and its colour encoding, depth of two eyes, image inversion, dream visuals processing, memory recall visual processing and even creating indexes.

4. Read and express the protein sequence to create memory modules for storing and repeating Motor Activity for all limbs, fingers.

5. Express control system of all Organs, Ph Levels, Circulation mapping, Valves, Oxygen Flows, Lymph Glands, Hormones, External Skin/Hair Follicles/Teeth plus transmission of energy created by digestion.


Scientists claim huge victory in isolating a gene responsible for a disease, good, but why are they yet to isolate the gene that is performing this magical computer system creation that would span hundreds of millions of lines of source code had it been developed in Bell Labs or Sun Microsystems? [Microsoft code would generate a brain with bugs...]

It is not possible to package this source code as DNA Sequences. Here is the mathematical proof: http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/project/info.shtml

25000 Genes in total from a Genome of 3 billion DNA base pairs. Same for a mouse

2% of the Genome is related to coding. That is 60 million DNA Molecules in 25000 Genes.

Since the same DNA cannot represent even an Alphabet in a Sequence, we would need many million unique DNA sequences starting from a specific point to complete the INDEXING SYSTEM or ENCODING TABLE.

example:
DNA1 = Start.
DNA2 = Beginning of a table.
DNA3 to DNA N would be some numerical points.

Next, DNA1 + DNAx would be a new command.

Many of the DNA molecules are repeats, so in effect we have to combine many DNA molecules for getting even one command or code.

Thus, we need several million more DNA sequences to specify the coordinates of each and every nerve cell in the body. Clearly the brain is not random. After all this, countless millions DNA pairs are needed to map each and every nerve cell to the neuron which will pick up the signal. Check any Microprocessor Code, every memory bus has to be hard-coded from start to finish to accept an electronic signal. If this did not happen, we would scratch our butt when we get an itch in the scalp.

And what about Sound Algorithms, Speech, Sound to Speech, Speech to Language, Visual, Visual to Sound Association, Memory Modules, Storage of Images, Storing Videos/Scenes of Life Events?

And... WHERE IS THE "FREE WILL" Choice component? Which group of the 60 million DNA molecules is having the complex code for a "Soul" which Scientists deny?

To complete a structure as complicated and as rich in multimedia algorithms and machine system control as the Human Brain, my estimate is not less than 500,000 genes. 25000 genes cannot explain even our Medula.

Oh.. and all of this has to be by random chance

I hope the Intelligent Design theory folk are reading this ....


And here is more amazing info: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-481651/Czech-spee dway-rider-knocked-crash-wakes-speaking-perfect-English.html

How can a DNA sequence be encoded to allow a person to be fluent in a second language temporarily after banging his head?

Now, if we just look at my common sense model: Every Neuron is an Antenna. That connects to the real area of data processing, memory storage etc. The SOUL. In a more subtle dimension around our body, that which the spiritual folk call Aura.
Designed and Intelligently created by a Loving God. [Dawkins will ask who designed the Designer. Answer: Who created Vacuum? WHo supplied the energy for the Big Bang? If Dawkins can accept that it just happened, then God just Happened too, for all our benefit ]

God's System included evolutionary codes too. It included Reincarnation Codes too.
It was harmonious for timeless eons until the "Luciferian" Rebellion of shutting away the God Source, creating a False Matrix and Vampiring on those who are connected to the Divine Energy Source. These "Fallen Angels" tampered with the DNA to prevent access for our Neuron Antenna to the Higher Dimensional States. Obviously, they would have cut off many links to Past Life Databases too, but due to "Induction", we recall through dreams.


Edit: A very useful article burying Darwin's theory of evolution as an explanation for DNA based Life on Earth: http://archive.ronharrod.com/evolution.html
The author has stressed on the information theory too, which I hope have explained from a software programming point of view.
And The Second Law of Thermodynamics is IRREFUTABLE. It explains the Gnostic Theory too: As long as Souls are in a False Matrix closed by Archons who pretend to be gods [and incite genocide in the name of any religion they concoct with some chosen psychopath to butcher the disbelievers, to feed off their blood.], our Universe will increase in Chaos. Order will come only when we get the true Source of Energy and open our Matrix back to the Real God, getting a fresh infusion of Divine Energy.

The real God is Infinite and hence gives Infinite Chances for all Souls to beat the Matrix. Hence, Reincarnation

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posted July 16, 2012 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great stuff.

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posted July 16, 2012 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jovian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I like how you've so clearly presented all this. (Well--you kinda lost me with some of the computer coding details, but I get the idea.) As well, I thought those were indeed helpful articles you linked to--a summary of the current explanations of our biological make-up; and the unsatisfactoriness of current evolution theory. [Same number of base pairs as a mouse, and they're not worried they might be missing something in the picture of what makes up a human? And 98% of the genome they admit not knowing its function. ]

I enjoyed your metaphysical interpretation of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

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posted July 17, 2012 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
iQ, I really enjoyed reading the Stevenson interview by Omni.

Along the same lines as his study with children, I have one case which I'd posted on the Heiros Gamos thread.

"I think there are many examples from all over the world about people remembering past lives. One was in my own birth town and it happened right around the time I was born. As told by my Mum, it involved an 8-9 year girl who kept saying she wanted to visit her “other” family-parents and siblings. She was scolded for having such an active imagination. But she was relentless in getting her current family to believe her. She told them where her “other” family lived (in a different town), that she had 2 brothers, and that one day when she was about 4-5 years old she was crossing the street, got hit by a car and died. She described in detail the inside of that house, the number of rooms etc. When she wouldn’t stop talking about it, her father decided to check out her story, taking her with him. He found 2 grown men (brothers) living in that house and they said that yes they’d had a sister who had died as a child while crossing the street. After this, the little girl became a mini-celebrity in her hometown."

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posted July 17, 2012 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by iQ:
My personal hypothesis is from sheer official scientific incompetence in determining how the Human Brain ...
processes Languages ...

I'm reminded that we have our own Ceri as an example of someone who has actually spoken or understood different languages during past life recalls. She's mentioned this in various posts. I hope she joins in this interesting conversation.

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The probability of this phenomenon (called xenoglossy) occurring is zero. So how can this be explained, except through the idea of reincarnation.

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posted July 17, 2012 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Re: the Stevenson interview, I found these particularly interesting--

"Some southern European Christians believed in reincarnation until the Council of Nice banned such beliefs in 553 A.D."

"I had become dissatisfied, you see, with the methods that had been developed in psychiatry for helping people. Orthodox theory conceives human personality as the product of a person's genetic material inherited from his ancestors through his parents, and the modifying influences of his prenatal and postnatal environment. But I found that some cases cannot be satisfactorily explained by genetics, environmental influences, or a combination of these. I am speaking of such things as early childhood phobias, about uncanny abilities that seem to develop spontaneously, of children convinced that they are the wrong sex, congenital deformities, differences between one-egg twins, and even such matters as irrational food preferences."

"I have found some children with skills that seem to be carried over from a previous life."


And on mental illness ...

"There again you will find cases of children acting as if they did not belong in their families. They treat parents and siblings with indifference, even hostility. This phenomenon is usually thought to have been caused by infantile trauma. Some theorists even try to explain it as the result of parents rejecting the child--before it has been born. Researchers look to the parents for the first cause. Comparatively little attention is given to the child, even though there is evidence that some children reject their parents before the parents have a chance to reject them. I suggest that such behavior could result from unhappy experiences in a previous life."
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More ...

"Once a child comes to believe he or she was a particular person in a previous life, the argument goes, the other elements follow naturally. If you believe you had been stabbed to death in a previous life, you might have a phobia, for example, of knives."

"Children often seem to express memories of previous lives in their play and sometimes in their drawings."

"In Memories, Dreams, and Reflections, Carl Jung wrote that as a boy he remembered in great detail being a very old man in the eighteenth century."


And I LOVE this--

"My idea of God is that He is evolving. I don't believe in the watchmaker God, the original creator who built the watch and then lets it tick. I believe in a "Self-maker God" who is evolving and experimenting; so are we as parts of Him. Bodies wear out; souls may need periods for rest and reflection. Afterward one may start again with a new body."

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posted July 18, 2012 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What I have slightly different thoughts about is Stevenson's take on the idea of reincarnation being a misconception among the Indians/Hindus ...

He says, "The idea that reincarnation must include what Hindus call Karma, especially retributive Karma."<---- that this is a misconception, because, "There is no evidence for the idea of retributive Karma."

But then he goes on to say ...

"The notion of a succession of lives with improvement in each, on the other hand, is precisely the view of the Druze, a Muslim sect of Lebanon, a people I’ve worked with a lot. They believe God sends us into different sorts of lives, perhaps as a fisherman, then a banker, then maybe a pirate. But in each life we should do the best we can, if a banker, one should be thoroughly honest—and rich! Whether pirate or peasant, it's all summed up at the day of judgment. But one life has nothing to do with the next. Your conduct could be vicious in one life, and in the next, you might be reborn into elegant circumstances."

I do not see the thinking in the above quotes as being exclusive of one another. They can be very much synonymous.

If there is no evidence for retributive karma, there's no evidence against it either, at least as far as I understand it.


"Whether pirate or peasant, it's all summed up at the day of judgment."

"Judgment" would imply a view that the Universe works on a sort of reward and retribution system ... something that several religions believe in.


"But in each life we should do the best we can"

In order for this to happen, I feel that as humans we need to have an incentive ... again the need for a system of reward and retribution.


"But one life has nothing to do with the next."

This may be seemingly true, but I don't think that karma means one has to live out the retributive life line in any sort of particular order. But then this is one of those mysteries that no one can know unless one is at the level of the soul in the "between lives" stage.


"Your conduct could be vicious in one life, and in the next, you might be reborn into elegant circumstances."

Again, this is very much synonymous with the law of Karma, as I understand it.

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posted July 18, 2012 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And yes the case of Swarnlata is pretty amazing!

What an extraordinary life Stevenson has led! Not having had children of his own, he's spent almost his entire life working with children. Wonder what he thinks of this Karma?

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posted July 18, 2012 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stevenson is a "Maha-Gyaani", a Super Guru.

@Jovian: If only you knew what I know about Computer Programming, you would feel aghast at the arguments of any atheist with respect to DNA. It is like a man claiming a sphere is a flat square. I must try to make an illustrated example someday.
A simpler analogy is to treat computer code and its biological DNA molecule equivalent as Light Bulbs. It takes 8 Light Bulbs to indicate letter A, 8 for B and so on. To create a simple index program to access 100 billion linked neurons, we would need a minimum of 32 light bulbs for each number and one million neurons numbered minimum, assuming the Brain has 100,000 different regions (we know it does not have so many uniquely differentiated regions!]
That is a minimum of 32 million Light Bulbs being on and off just to indicate the location code for the Neurons in one region.

32 million DNA molecules just for indexing one region of the brain. ( unless there is a mathematical formula using exponents to create an index address space with 2 raised to power 32 regions. Random Mutation to get a precise mathematical formula ? Next thing, we will be hearing that the proof for the Theory of Relativity randomly mutated in the DNA, right next to the random mutation that printed the Oxford English Dictionary in alphabetical order, and just before the random mutation that printed the Roget's thesaurus. With preface and future publisher name )

How can all this code be packed in one genome sequence of less than 60 million encodable DNA molecules?

The Design and Architecture of Humanity, from its Genomic Blueprint creating a perfect biological system to act as a Vehicle for a Higher Consciousness to experience its Soul in a Matter Matrix, is evidence of a Master Mind beyond All Minds. Why will this Master Mind not want Reincarnation? Which Programmer
does not have a versioning system for different purposes?
How can fundamentalists of any creed attribute fire and brimstone based psychotic punishments to this Infinite Genius?

If the fundamentalist idea of a vengeful god is true, then surely Ted Bundy would have invented and donated a free energy device or an artificial pancreas, before gleefully cutting up all those innocent women. A psychopath can never be an inventive, creative and selfless genius.

Orthodox religion competes with Skeptical Atheism in the title match for being wrong about Universal Law. I guess each team gets reborn as the other for eternity

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iQ, I think you've made a very strong irrefutable case for re-incarnation. I don't understand much of the computer references, but I do understand the biological ones. And the theory of evolution cannot explain most of what the human brain can do.


Yes, agree and love this--

"If Dawkins can accept that it just happened, then God just Happened too, for all our benefit "


Would you mind explaining your use of the term "induction" here?

"Obviously, they would have cut off many links to Past Life Databases too, but due to "Induction", we recall through dreams."


This conclusion is genius--

"The real God is Infinite and hence gives Infinite Chances for all Souls to beat the Matrix. Hence, Reincarnation "


As is this--

"Orthodox religion competes with Skeptical Atheism in the title match for being wrong about Universal Law."


iQ, I'd like to ask a philosophical type of question. Do you think that the Universe is headed more in the direction of our Matrix opening up to the Real God?

And here's a very humble suggestion. I think all this that you've laid out here should be published in some scientific journal, either computer/math or biological. It is too brilliant and thought provoking to just let it be on your desk.

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posted July 19, 2012 06:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi LJ,
Thanks for the positive feedback.

"Induction" as in induced current. Bio-Electricity constantly passes through our Neurons. When there is charge, and when there are conductors and coils [Gyrae of the Brain], then the resonant frequency formula is
1/2Pi sqrroot[L x C] where L is inductance and C is the Capacitance. And whenever a wave is emitted, it can be picked by another resonant structure with similar L and C.

This is how even electric charge can be remotely transmitted. This will emerge as the secret of Telepathy someday, and even Astrological Impulses.

Now, when all these frequencies and bio-electric charges are going back and forth into the dimension of the Soul, the dormant nerve cells which access past life memory are bound to be stimulated with some charge. If this accidentally creates a resonant wave near a more consciously aware region of the
brain, then the dreams might download some past life information.

This is a Hypothesis, there is no modern instrument with which I can prove this. We cannot measure the 4th Dimension using 3D ECG Tools. We can only connect the dots using the effects studied from a vast number of clinically sane people. Just like how Stevenson documented thousands of cases.

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Do you think that the Universe is headed more in the direction of our Matrix opening up to the Real God?
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I do not think so. It is more of a Status Quo. The Archons have genetically fused with this Universe by piggybacking on many races, and the Real God's Light will
destroy them. Through their destruction, they will take out the Universe. Because trillions of sentient beings evolutionary lessons are at stake, there is no choice but to allow the Status Quo until all sentients evolve out of the Matrix. And then this Matrix can be allowed to collapse into a gigantic black hole. Again this is just an unproven hypothesis based on the fact that the Real God did not delete this Matrix. He must surely have a valid reason of saving as many Humans as possible. If a human army on 3D Earth can have an edict like "Leave no one behind", surely Higher Forces will not abandon any Soul with even a molecule of the Divine Spark?

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Did we use the term "matrix" before the movies came out or after?

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I think the movies just popularized the allegory in the description of an "un-real" reality, although in Math matrices and matrix grids are as old as math itself

Holographic theory has been around for over 50 years. Again, I guess its takes Hollywood and not academia to alter peoples perceptions of the world

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iQ, thank you for explaining induction, and how the brain could “download” past life information. You had touched upon this a bit in my “iQ Dream” thread. Your explanation here creates an even fuller understanding.


“This is how even electric charge can be remotely transmitted. This will emerge as the secret of Telepathy someday, and even Astrological Impulses.”

This is fascinating because quantum physics has long proved that a shift in energy in any given location can create a consequential shift in another remote location. All matter, animate or inanimate, is ultimately energy. So when the human brain puts out thoughts, it’s like energy emitting energy, or, energy emitting it’s own nature. Therefore, it’s fascinating but not surprising that what you’ve said would be the basis of telepathy.


“This is a Hypothesis, there is no modern instrument with which I can prove this. We cannot measure the 4th Dimension using 3D ECG Tools. We can only connect the dots using the effects studied from a vast number of clinically sane people.”

Yes, even physicists are unable to prove (except through mathematical formulae) the concept of the 4th Dimension, because the 3D brain cannot conceptualize the 4th Dimension. Hence no tool for measurement can be constructed. So the only way to show evidence is to collect data. That is why studies like those by Stevenson are so important.


“… the Real God did not delete this Matrix. He must surely have a valid reason of saving as many Humans as possible. If a human army on 3D Earth can have an edict like "Leave no one behind", surely Higher Forces will not abandon any Soul with even a molecule of the Divine Spark?”

This is so true and reinforces the concept of an ever-compassionate God.


“Because trillions of sentient beings evolutionary lessons are at stake, there is no choice but to allow the Status Quo until all sentients evolve out of the Matrix.”

Does this then mean that the only way to get rid of Archons, without destruction to the sentients, is for the sentients to evolve at the soul level?


iQ, I’m going to ask what I think may be a charged question (but I’m hoping it's not as I just want to understand), after drawing a conclusion from the information you’ve provided. The conclusion itself may sound preposterous so please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

Conclusion—
I feel that conscious awareness in any individual will create consciously aware regions in the 3D brain. These areas, as you’ve said, can then download past life information, which, I personally think is essential to the evolution of the individual at the soul level and contributes to the “growth” of the soul. Therefore conscious awareness is essential to soul growth. Thus understanding the concept of re-incarnation through awareness of past lives would be essential to soul growth.

Question—
Would it then be fair to say that orthodox religion or orthodox thought with it’s closed minded approach actually prevents the human brain from developing consciously aware regions, thus actually preventing the soul from growing? … for example, by not believing in reincarnation?

Thank you so much for taking the time to let me thrash this out so I can absorb this from different angles.

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I guess its takes Hollywood and not academia to alter peoples perceptions of the world

Ain't that the truth!

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For those who want to understand how Fundamentalism can affect different religions here's some eye-opening info that Juni has posted on her thread--

"Fundamentalism and the Human Spirit"
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum21/HTML/000450.html

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"The notion of a succession of lives with improvement in each, on the other hand, is precisely the view of the Druze, a Muslim sect of Lebanon, a people I’ve worked with a lot. They believe God sends us into different sorts of lives, perhaps as a fisherman, then a banker, then maybe a pirate. But in each life we should do the best we can, if a banker, one should be thoroughly honest—and rich! Whether pirate or peasant, it's all summed up at the day of judgment. But one life has nothing to do with the next. Your conduct could be vicious in one life, and in the next, you might be reborn into elegant circumstances."[/b]

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Linda, i wonder if you are aware that I am a druze

we face a lot of criticism and over all disdain from the rest of the Muslim community for many things but mostly because of our beliefs in re-incarnation..

i get angry when people, who have no interest or experience in anything spiritual, but who try to act like full grown theologists and give me their remarkably superficial theories as to why re-incarnation does not exist. Their smartest rebuttal (smartest in their opinion) would be "..then explain to me the increase in human population.." i tire easily from such discussions, mostly because of my lack of depth in the subject (i still have much to learn).

i have heard of MANY stories about children who remember past lives, names, faces, places, events, even lock combinations! the closest to home would be my grandma, God bless her soul, she had a phobia of birds. Anything that clucks or tweets would make her shiver. Even a furry scarf would give her the creeps. Later on i found out that she remembers falling off a cliff in her past life and having birds hover over her dying body. Not such a pleasant memory if you ask me.

to be honest, i have come to believe in re-incarnation mostly because it's what my father taught me. "if there are no deaths, how can there be births?" he would say and as a child that seemed good enough for me..

growing older, however, and contemplating the idea i realized that indeed for there to be Divine Justice, how can a man be judged over just one life. say he was born blind, or died in his youth, can he be judged just as a man who lived a long and healthy life? just as you said Linda, we are given different roles but our souls grow with every generation and we become better souls with every try (note i said better souls and not better people ).

IQ thanks for such an eye opener you are truly remarkable!

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Whether pirate or peasant, it's all summed up at the day of judgment. But one life has nothing to do with the next.

B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T!

All your lives are intrinsically linked with repeating patterns and novelty with each iteration... You have infinite chances to make the best choices... like Bill Murray in Ground Hog Day

Clearly that person has no awareness of their own past-lives...

Sry, just my opinion based off of my own experiences -nods-

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