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Enneline
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posted May 12, 2014 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know it sounds strange.
Normally people would love to see and communicate with angels. What could be wrong with someone who has repeatedly been told that angels would love to re-connect with him (he saw the angels when he was a child) but he feels nothing than indifference about it and so he does nothing for re-connection?
Anxiety? He confessed that he sent the angels away when he was a child because he was upset with them but has forgiven them.

I find it really strange to reject contact with angels! What do you think?

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posted May 12, 2014 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Enneline:
I know it sounds strange.
Normally people would love to see and communicate with angels. What could be wrong with someone who has repeatedly been told that angels would love to re-connect with him (he saw the angels when he was a child) but he feels nothing than indifference about it and so he does nothing for re-connection?
Anxiety? He confessed that he sent the angels away when he was a child because he was upset with them but has forgiven them.

I find it really strange to reject contact with angels! What do you think?


In my opinion,
angels/angelics are pure evil of the worse kind.
They were/are the deceivers of humankind.
Beware the beauty that blinds the soul to the monsters those entities actually were/are.
To be "touched" or "kissed" or be contacted by these manipulative creatures when one is a child is a very horrible thing.
It is a very good thing your friend rejected them.

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posted May 12, 2014 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I don't see angels as those little, cuddly, Little things seen in churches; some of them can be quite tall and formidable. I wouldn't joke with them... but evil? No way

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posted May 12, 2014 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Enneline:
Well, I don't see angels as those little, cuddly, Little things seen in churches; some of them can be quite tall and formidable. I wouldn't joke with them... but evil? No way
"No way " evil you say.
Hence how easy it is to dupe and deceive most folks.
It is politically/socially a big no no to speak against such things that folks are preconditioned to believe are good.
Well I used to adore them;
had angel calendars, plates, pens, note paper, clothing, jewelry;
and the list goes on and om.
Then in 1999 my views were totally changed concerning them.

Interesting thread.
I expect most folks will side with you.
However this former lover of them has to go with the extremely personal and potentially deadly experiences of a very strange kind that turned my views totally around.

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posted May 13, 2014 02:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And you are sure that those creatures were no demons/ghosts/dwarf/fairies?

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posted May 13, 2014 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The way angels are depicted, atleast from a psychological perspective in the Anime: Neon Genesis Evangelion ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neon_Genesis_Evangelion_%28TV%29 ) with their intent on absorbing the soul/ego of anyone they come in contact with is probably a close example of how Lexx sees them...

Oh, and I agree with her!

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posted May 13, 2014 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Enneline:
And you are sure that those creatures were no demons/ghosts/dwarf/fairies?
Positive.
And demons, ghosts, fairies are not automatically bad or good;
just like human or living people.
Why do you list them as evil?
Also why is dwarf listed as a thing you perceive as evil?

Seems you blindly accept the typical stereotypical views on things being good/evil.
Beauty is not automatically good;
and grotesque is not automatically evil.


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posted May 13, 2014 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:
The way angels are depicted, atleast from a psychological perspective in the Anime: Neon Genesis Evangelion ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neon_Genesis_Evangelion_%28TV%29 ) with their intent on absorbing the soul/ego of anyone they come in contact with is probably a close example of how Lexx sees them...

Oh, and I agree with her!


Thank you.

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posted May 13, 2014 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Enneline:
And you are sure that those creatures were no demons/ghosts/dwarf/fairies?
quote:
Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
Positive.
And demons, ghosts, fairies are not automatically bad or good;
just like human or living people.
Why do you list them as evil?
Also why is dwarf listed as a thing you perceive as evil?

Seems you blindly accept the typical stereotypical views on things being good/evil.
Beauty is not automatically good;
and grotesque is not automatically evil.


i never said that fairies and dwarfs are evil but they like to fool people, at least some of them.

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posted May 13, 2014 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancer/Scorpio729     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Lexx!!
If you don't mind sharing, what happened to change your mind?

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posted May 13, 2014 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Enneline:
i never said that fairies and dwarfs are evil but they like to fool people, at least some of them.
OK.
However angels and their dogma based ilk are the ultimate deceivers.
Also "dwarf"? Why is a normal human physical body variation seen as other than what it is?

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posted May 13, 2014 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Cancer/Scorpio729:
Hi Lexx!!
If you don't mind sharing, what happened to change your mind?

I have posted about it several times since 2005. Will try to find links or perhaps retype a new synopsis.
If not;
Well.....
Suffice it to say;
angels/angelics hate with a potentially deadly intensity anyone questioning them; interrogating them;
and or going OBE to find out more about them.
They have become too used to being accepted at face value and use their beauty and tricks to glamor the gullible and naive and trusting folks who were taught these evil creatures were/are good.
Like Enneline,
the original poster/author of these thread said:
quote:
Originally posted by Enneline:
Strange question - any reason why someone rejects the contact with angels?

quote:
Originally posted by Enneline:
I know it sounds strange.
Normally people would love to see and communicate with angels. What could be wrong with someone who has repeatedly been told that angels would love to re-connect with him (he saw the angels when he was a child) but he feels nothing than indifference about it and so he does nothing for re-connection?
Anxiety? He confessed that he sent the angels away when he was a child because he was upset with them but has forgiven them.


Preconceptions/taught concepts, rather than actual independent thought/discernment;
leaves most folks as bewildered as the author of this thread is concerning why wouldn't everyone/anyone just automatically love and desire to have communication with angels?
Must be something wrong with anyone rejecting angels.

PS,
Just like folks praying for non Christians and posting angels to them. shudder
Seems they have absolutely no idea/or filters telling them that is a very nasty or at best naively unkind thing to do, no matter how well meant the intent.
I have lost many friends because of that.
I may lose a few more because their well meant but misguided actions creep me out.
It greatly saddens me.
I bet they would not like it if I summoned non dogmatic entities to influence their lives;
or post images directed at them that they would find offensive.


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Enneline
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posted May 14, 2014 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why do you think I never questioned angels? Why do you think I have never been angry to them? Why do you think I have never had my struggles with them? Do you know “my story” with angels?

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posted May 14, 2014 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancer/Scorpio729     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for sharing Lexx, I'll keep an open mind.

Enneline what's your angel story?

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Enneline
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posted May 14, 2014 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Enneline:
i never said that fairies and dwarfs are evil but they like to fool people, at least some of them.
OK.
quote:
Originally posted by Lexxigramer:

However angels and their dogma based ilk are the ultimate deceivers.
Also "dwarf"? Why is a normal human physical body variation seen as other than what it is?


I don't understand your last question?

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posted May 14, 2014 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Cancer/Scorpio729:
Thanks for sharing Lexx, I'll keep an open mind.

Enneline what's your angel story?


That's too private to post but believe me; would be the last one who judges a person who curse angels. Just in the particular case I mentioned in my very first post, it's hard for me to understand.

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posted May 14, 2014 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What Lexx said reminded me of a personal experience of mine:

On December 3, 2001, after spending a few months working with the kabbalah (more because so many said I should rather than out of genuine interest), I had this very odd dream. I was in a city of free & fun folk but I was pushed through a doorway into another world, and found myself in a city "like Jerusalem."

I stared up into the Moon and saw Yesod and the other sephira above that. My consciousness changed and I felt "something" exploring my spirit. I asked to be returned where I'd been as I loved it there. It didn't like this question and asked me, "Why?"

I explained, using more spiritual emphatic communications as much as words, of the spirit crushing feel in this city I was now in ("Jerusalem"), the prevention of purpose, in contrast to the sheer freedom over there--and proportionally lesser risk.

A snotty amusement surrounded me and the voice told me in a past life I had killed my children and so must stay on this world. I had no memories of this, and I sensed it was lying....the same feeling I got with some hardened criminals I picked up when I was living on the streets. I pointed out the absurdity of making me into someone else to punish me for deeds I did as another person instead of being THAT person, and also where did they get their Author-ity so that it was a crime when I did it, but not when THEY did it (in this case abduction and slavery).

Then a wind and something like water rustled the shirt and panties I was wearing (for real) and I sensed it trying to find a vulnerable spot to invade my spirit. It was mildly interesting to feel my spirit touched liked that, but also scary & infuriating to feel this attempted violation of my being by He/It/They. The attempted lies, domination, and violation made me mad and I stuck up my middle finger and said, "Get the **** away from me!"

Then I started to get up to go through the door myself back into that alternate world on my own power.

I sensed palpable Fear from the Kabbalistic entitities. They shoved me down and I felt cold fingers grasp around my throat slowly squeezing harder and harder. It was terrified of me, but the terror passed into me as I thought I was literally being murdered....This was so real I thought someone must be strangling me for real as I slept! ...As I struggled to move my real arm against any such attacker while forcing myself awake, my real arm moved which woke me up....and I felt pain on my throat where I had been touched. No bruises, but it felt so real!

I was angry and frightened. I got up, walked in the sun, and did many pagan protections. Then I got on-line and found an email of someone I never heard of before called DarkSun 666 that said this:

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look I Know JESUS. AND LOVE HIM AND HE LOVES YOU. AND YOU WILL LOSE
IN THE END BATTLE, HE WILL FORGIVE YOU FOR ALL YOUR SINS JUST ASK FOR FORGIVENESS.

I told those who were trying to get me more into the kabbalah that I wasn't interested. They insisted I had "tried to go too fast" and got attacked by a dybbuk. As it turned out, I moved to another city shortly after anyway due to other circumstances, but it made an impression on me and I've avoided the kabbalah since.

Not that I think it's evil, just that it's not right for me. And a lot of good medicines can become deadly poison if mixed, and maybe that's true of the occult paradigms as well.

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posted May 14, 2014 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyway, I've heard both bad and good stories about angels. One is truly terrifying (and potentially triggering to readers) so I'll skip that...naturally, you won't read that story in your typical book or magazine on how wonderful angels are. (Though I do think there may be an "astral scar" involved that did more to create the horrifying event rather than any angel...but the occult world works so different from our own it's hard to explain.)

Thing is, how could you tell the difference between demons and angels? How often are angels demons and vice versa? (That is to say "angel" and "demon" wouldn't describe the entity but rather the entity's mood or purpose at the moment.) We frankly lack the vocabulary to describe their reality, much as animals lack the vocabulary to describe humans and our society & motivations.

But I do know I'd treat any entity with an ego/identity very cautiously and keep in mind that they likely consider me inferior even if they're kindly disposed to me (and being kindly disposed to me at the moment doesn't mean such an entity will be tomorrow).

I'd be especially cautious of any that made me feel filled with love or other attraction, that reminds me of vampires with their hypnotic gaze...or a venus flytrap luring in the flies through its sweet scent.

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posted May 15, 2014 04:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't really consider Angel-type or Demon-type entities as evil, as it is simply a point of view.

The Angel-type have only one innate desire and that is for the unity of all souls into a singular God-Consciousness with the destruction of all separated egos.

Their methods of assimilation are to prey upon those who have weak egos, and can easily be fooled with the promise of no more loneliness/sorrow which often permeates most Human-type beings.

The Demon-type's have only one innate desire, and that is for the self-destruction any being who is in the process of gathering large amounts of power if an effort to become a God-Consciousness.

Their methods of destruction are to prey upon those with very strong egos, by granting them even more power in an effort to cultivate that persons self-destruction.

Its a game of "Tug of War", and one must play both sides! But its a game that only the Human-type can really win, since they have been granted "All desires"


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posted May 15, 2014 05:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting perspectives!! I have never thought of angels in this way before. Well... To be honest I've never really given them much thought at all! I mean, I just don't see their relevance in my life.

Now, fairies... That's another cup of tea!

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posted May 15, 2014 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:
I don't really consider Angel-type or Demon-type entities as evil, as it is simply a point of view.

The Angel-type have only one innate desire and that is for the unity of all souls into a singular God-Consciousness with the destruction of all separated egos.

Their methods of assimilation are to prey upon those who have weak egos, and can easily be fooled with the promise of no more loneliness/sorrow which often permeates most Human-type beings.

The Demon-type's have only one innate desire, and that is for the self-destruction any being who is in the process of gathering large amounts of power if an effort to become a God-Consciousness.

Their methods of destruction are to prey upon those with very strong egos, by granting them even more power in an effort to cultivate that persons self-destruction.

Its a game of "Tug of War", and one must play both sides! But its a game that only the Human-type can really win, since they have been granted "All desires"


I do not agree with you on much of your statements.
You said previously that you agreed with me.
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Oh, and I agree with her!

Your analysis is pretty far off from my views.
Just wanted to make that clear that your analysis are not my exact take on these matters.
I do not feel up to explaining.
Thank you for replying nevertheless.


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posted May 15, 2014 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Cancer/Scorpio729:
Thanks for sharing Lexx, I'll keep an open mind.

Enneline what's your angel story?


Thank you.

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posted May 15, 2014 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Enneline:
Why do you think I never questioned angels? Why do you think I have never been angry to them? Why do you think I have never had my struggles with them? Do you know “my story” with angels?
It seems that I should not have posted on this thread.
It is all old news for me anyhow and I just really do not give a hoot any longer for the most part about who still gets snookered or not by trusting without question.
No I do not know your story.
I replied because you seemed very bewildered as to why anyone would reject/despise angels/angelics;
and inferred that there must be something wrong with folks who reject angels.
I meant no offense.


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posted May 15, 2014 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't feel offended; i was just wondering why you make so many allegations
and I thought it's funny because I once questioned and cursed angels

Anyhow, I am no native speaker. That could be the reason for any miscommunications.

BUT nevertheless I appreciate different opinions

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posted May 15, 2014 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PixieJane:
...........Thing is, how could you tell the difference between demons and angels? How often are angels demons and vice versa? (That is to say "angel" and "demon" wouldn't describe the entity but rather the entity's mood or purpose at the moment.) We frankly lack the vocabulary to describe their reality, much as animals lack the vocabulary to describe humans and our society & motivations.
Yep; the labels do not fit;
the actions are what they are despite any labels. In essence; there are no angels or demons; just various entities with their own agendas. The problem is often the labels and preconceived concepts of what is good or evil; or lol, what is a demon and or angel.
It's all just ill fitting tainted labels.
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
But I do know I'd treat any entity with an ego/identity very cautiously and keep in mind that they likely consider me inferior even if they're kindly disposed to me (and being kindly disposed to me at the moment doesn't mean such an entity will be tomorrow).

I'd be especially cautious of any that made me feel filled with love or other attraction, that reminds me of vampires with their hypnotic gaze...or a venus flytrap luring in the flies through its sweet scent.[/B]


Yep; beware the "too nice" accommodating/promising ones who stroke your ego and or make you feel all happy happy joy joy or chosen or special and so forth.
Worse than any vampire are these soul eaters/identity destroyers.
OK;
nuff said;
as I do not want to pursue this at this time.
Thank you for the interesting posts.

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