posted September 23, 2016 04:51 PM            

Just giving some background, I did meet a guy who was incredibly psychic who knew a lot about me before he even saw me (it wasn't true mind reading, it was more as an empath with many nuances, and more of a soul reading that was somehow more intimate), and he told me of someone he met who could literally read minds very well, and I believe him. Perhaps it's because I was reading minds at 14 when I was flying high on shrooms, something that even a completely sober guy ran away from me as he believed it was a demon inside of me that let me do it (though my own memory was that they were talking to me, but they said I was replying to their own unspoken thoughts, and they found it rude). There was also a game me and some teens played in which we'd stare at each other from behind, and we got so good at feeling it almost instantly, and even know WHO it was doing the staring, even if there was more than one. So yeah, I've thought about this.

If a person is constantly aware of the thoughts around them so that it's simply "going to happen" (and thus not rude, anymore than noticing facial expressions) then I'm absolutely sure they see a lot worse than mine (perhaps it's my Mars-Uranus, but I'd have the impulse to see how much I could shock them with my creative "telepathic trolling" though I'd likely resist the temptation...they should thank me ). The way I see it, they'd either quickly accept the flawed animals that we are and adapt (and come to admire choices made and self-control over passing thoughts and sentiments), or they'd be hermit anyway (either in a cave, or in isolation in some prison or mental hospital). If they're interacting with people by their own choice, especially in the form of a teacher, then I doubt I could shock them given all that they'd run into.

And if they're a teacher or guru trying to help you become a better person then you'd be wasting their time by coming to them if your thoughts were already "perfect." That would be like someone without problems or health difficulties seeking therapy from a different type of professional.

Personally, I'd be fascinated to talk with someone who could, someone who could understand my view and that of others without their own personal egos getting in the way of communication so that I don't have to struggle with words and worry that I'm being misunderstood. Such people, if ethical, to do a lot in political and personal conflict management (though I believe most governments would not be friendly to such skilled mind readers, see them as a threat to national security, and either try to enslave them or eliminate them, and likely conduct cruel experiments on them as well, and certain corporations would be just as bad if they thought they could get away with it).

'Course if they played their cards right, the telepaths themselves could become the menace to other telepaths (such as the scary--if you think about it--ad seeking telepaths from the scifi show Babylon 5), though telepathy and other paranormal abilities aren't going to pay the budgets on their own (that is, just because they have a rare advantage doesn't mean they could assume command, more likely they'd have an adversarial or submissive relationship to those in charge).

If a mind reader can control his or her ability (especially if they have to exert themselves to use it) then I expect some self-control (otherwise they lose any moral high ground anyway, and I'd also be less likely to suppress "trollish telepathy" just to test them).

The thought of someone being able to read my mind at will (perhaps even against their own will) doesn't bother me. They either learn to stay away from me, or they have chosen to accept me, flaws and all. I guess it's like worrying about my freckles, or how crooked my 2 front teeth are, many find me attractive despite these flaws, and if they don't, it's not really any skin off my butt.

Obviously, if a mind reader had it in for me then that would be more distressing (though I expect if they sensed the many plans I had to eliminate them as problems would make them consider going after someone safer), especially if they worked for say some government agency, though in the latter case I can't imagine I'd interest them more than so many other potential targets (I'm not egotistical enough for paranoia as I just don't see myself as being important enough to single out over others). And there are many ways to stalk and find out the dirt on the people, but most wouldn't bother (even those who have nothing better to do than be jerks to everyone would find me a needle in a haystack, that is, odds are in my favor I'd be left alone as there are so many others to choose from).

Overall, I think it would be difficult to be someone who not only read minds, but has to work actively not to (and if they're easily offended then good gods life would be hard for them, even among so-called kindred spirits). Really, I think they'd be eccentric in the extreme (especially if they came by their abilities early on) as they'd see the world and the people in it very different than you or I. I tend to think of them as being like Tam Elbrun in ST:NG. Rather than seeing them as my judge and jury, I'm more wondering how they can cope. I'd be curious, but I'd leave it for them to answer my unspoken questions.

posted September 23, 2016 05:05 PM            

An alternative is the instinctive fear of being cast out of the tribe.

posted September 23, 2016 07:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Novabronte:

Since getting into someone's mind without their permission is a violation of soul rules, no good ethical spiritual person would do it.
And even then, I doubt anyone could read your mind unless you give them permission or project your thoughts to them.
Telepathy often happens between very loving couples, they say they 'read' each others thoughts. Or between mother and her child.

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posted September 23, 2016 07:33 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I would guess you were raised to think of a God that would condemn you for your thoughts and impulses as much as your actions, and that fear transfers over to gurus and such who claim to read minds. (Especially if it was abusive. I know a guy who had his privacy invaded by his religious nut family all the time with plenty of shaming and physical abuse involved which has created issues for him as an adult.)

An alternative is the instinctive fear of being cast out of the tribe.

I'd personally use self-hypnosis to combat these irrational fears. It takes time, but it can work. These thoughts and instincts are not rational and were probably implanted in you by people (who probably didn't even realize they were implanting these ways of thinking into you) and have to be dealt with in the subconscious as they can't be reasoned with.

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posted September 23, 2016 10:34 PM            

If they seem to truly know your thoughts, I'd wonder if it wasn't "past life personas," that is who you were in a past life that's making comments about who you are in this life (manifesting as a voice). Just something that occurred to me, so I'm tossing it out there in case it inspires something in you.

posted September 24, 2016 02:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Ayelet:
How can one overcome fear of meeting someone who can read your mind? Suppose you know that person can read your mind - doesn't it make you vulnerable? Because he or she knows all about you. Isn't that frightening? There is no place to hide, not even in your thoughts! What do you think of this? It relates to spiritual teachers/ Gurus who can read minds. I think to myself: What if suddenly I will have a bad thought? Or I will not control my thoughts, out of the fear that this person can read my thoughts? You see, this may be the latent reason why I run away from my teachers...

And I don't know if I can be as pure as snow as not to be ashamed of myself.

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I had this problem with an extremely psychic friend and was somewhat relieved when we stopped talking...no offense to that person, the problem is my own discomfort with myself.

Also my friend had some blind spots, and it required a lot of clear discernment on my part to see what I felt was truly insightful about me, and what was "off."

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Yesterday I met a woman for the first time, our kids were playing together for a while at an event, and as she was talking I started to feel like I was remote-viewing her home. I was getting saturated with all these psychic or imaginative details, not sure if my sense was on or off.

I wanted to stop her and ask, "Please just clarify...when you were having this discussion you are telling me about, did the space behind you look like this?..."

But that would have been weird. But I felt like I needed to know, and it got to the point where I was just disturbed and confused about myself. I often come away from talking to people feeling very confused and down-hearted, and this is one reason my 8H Pisces moon is more comfortable in solitude or talking to people via computer. Less stimuli.

Maybe this is a synastry thing because I don't get like this with everyone. Just certain people, when they talk about being in their homes, kick up images in my mind. It's happened at LL before and if necessary I could prove that at least some of my guesses about people's homes are correct, with odd and uncommon details.

Well maybe I was right in what I saw about that woman's home, and she would have been freaked out to know that I could see it. On the other hand it was a nice place so what's there to be concerned about? Maybe on some level she knows she is more psychically permeable and deliberately makes her home presentable...and makes it tell the story, with its shapes and colors, seems symbolically powerful in a way I can't really describe....so people will regard her with more compassion and friendliness.

Seemed that way to me. Like somehow she knew that her house was psychically well-traveled.

posted September 24, 2016 02:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Novabronte:

Since getting into someone's mind without their permission is a violation of soul rules, no good ethical spiritual person would do it.
And even then, I doubt anyone could read your mind unless you give them permission or project your thoughts to them.
Telepathy often happens between very loving couples, they say they 'read' each others thoughts. Or between mother and her child.

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If you think of it another way, we are all transmitting, and some people can receive more than others, and it's not really their fault. It can be a passive sensory experience.

Like Ralph Waldo Emerson said...

posted September 24, 2016 04:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
If you think of it another way, we are all transmitting, and some people can receive more than others, and it's not really their fault. It can be a passive sensory experience.

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Agree Faith, but perhaps you are talking about sensing or perceiving through energy field or other psychic means :-)

PO asked about reading mind or thoughts. So, if you want to read someone's mind/thoughts you would need to get into their head. A willful act and violation of the other person. If as I mentioned, the other person projects their thoughts to you then sure its not your, or my fault.

If I perceive/sense their energy ( which spills everywhere) then surely its not my fault, I just sense whats coming at me.

posted September 24, 2016 05:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Novabronte:
You can switch on/off the receiving. Takes some practice, but it makes life a whole lot easier.

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I just had a weird experience.

Well I've noticed that I am more sensitive to sensitive people. Sometimes I think, "I should spend more time listening to psychics if I want to be psychic. They will subliminally train me."

To my Cap sun that sounds nonsensical and I dismiss the idea. Then I pick it up again a while later.

After writing my post above I thought, "I'll go listen to a remote viewer, and then I will be able to remote view."

*crazy thought*

I decided to listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ANryZuoHBM

And I had my boogie board with me:

^ Stock photo from Google images, not mine

Unfortunately my camera needs to be charged and I need to get an adaptor to load pics from my camera to this Chrome Book.

I'm saying that because I can't show you what I started to doodle as Ingo Swann began telling a story about remote viewing a quark detector. I don't remember what quarks are, and if you asked me what a detector might look like, I would have drawn some type of camera.

It was not my intention to do remote viewing, whatsoever. (ETA: Not at that point. I thought he might signal the beginning of a real exercise, which is why I had the drawing board ready.) But then, I was just doodling and listening.

Then at some point as he was describing drawing this detector, a lightbulb went on in my brain.

HEY! Could I have been decoding the picture of the quark detector from his voice?? Could these arcs and bundles that I've been sketching have anything to do with a quark detector, whatever the hell that is??

Sure enough, when I checked Google images for a picture of a quark detector, I found stuff like this:

Which looks an awful lot like the random arcs that I had filled my boogie board with. And I don't usually doodle that way.

I asked my daughter to take a picture of my drawing and email it to me, so I could post it, however I can't get my image posting service to accept it. So, this story hits a dead end. Even if I could post the picture, one might think I cheated, or that it didn't look ENOUGH like those other pics.

But it's enough to spook ME, because I know what happened.

Now to answer your question:

At this point it seems to me that thoughts are textural more than linguistic. Or textural before linguistic. I mean they are an energy-vibration. If someone gets on your frequency, you are open source to them. You are swimming in the same mind-pool to a certain extent. Saying they are stealing your thoughts is like saying they are stealing your air. It's communal.

That is my experience and my belief, but I'm no expert...

To people who aren't really trained, just perceptive, it's a sloppy process, where you cannot tell the boundaries. A song comes into your mind, you think it's your song, but when you start humming it, someone else says, "OMG that is the song I had in my head!"

Is there something unethical about this?

Should we ban synchronicity?

One more thing that occurred to me.

About the woman I met yesterday. Because I could feel/see her home, I felt like I knew her at the level of acquaintance one would have to be, in order to get invited into her home. Perhaps this is one reason why Pisces moons tend to be accepting and love everyone. We get a more intimate sense of them than what they are actually revealing on purpose. And that is endearing, usually.

posted September 25, 2016 09:16 PM            

There are so many ways to look at this, and I was just exploring.

posted September 25, 2016 10:58 PM            

Well, you said it yourself I quote: "I'll go listen to a remote viewer, and then I will be able to remote view." :smile:
So your subcon executed on the command. However this is not something that is easy to learn if at all, so idk.. check if you have an aspect pattern in your chart with Neptune.

We are more than a physical body and so we are all capable of much more than we realise.
Our thoughts, words, intentions, feelings.. its all energy.

“If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.” – Nikola Tesla

As individuals, each of us is responsible for our intentions, thoughts, words and actions in all dimensions of our existence.
I agree with synchronicity in love energy, because this essentially connects us in a higher dimension. But all people synchronising in consciousness or swimming in one mind pool is wrong, i think...to me this is similar to the concept of the Borg in Star Trek and their slogan "we are one". We are not meant for this while in 3D and within the veil, because of the forces at play which we cannot see. There are entities that can manipulate people to vibrate a different frequency, which they want to feed on. There are many people walking this earth with a grey astral tube stuck on the back of their neck, and synchronising with them would compromise you.

As I said before, in our interactions with people we may become telepathic with some people, because both parties are willing and permit it. Like your song example, nothing unethical about this. But what would you say if someone told you what you did all day yesterday, in detail, would you think its ok ? My mom had a situation like that, a colleague at work told her exactly hour by hour what she did on previous day and she was frightened and felt violated.

Anyway I think about the ethical issues often, and I don't have all the answers.. obviously ;-) just trying to make sense and do the right thing...

It is important to know the boundaries in using your gifts, and to know why you have them or why you want them.
One unbreakable rule: to respect the law of free will.

Ok so I know I sound conservative, but I'm cautious for good reasons...
Anyway, I like your doodling story a lot:-)

posted September 26, 2016 08:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I just had a weird experience.

Well I've noticed that I am more sensitive to sensitive people. Sometimes I think, "I should spend more time listening to psychics if I want to be psychic. They will subliminally train me."

To my Cap sun that sounds nonsensical and I dismiss the idea. Then I pick it up again a while later.

After writing my post above I thought, "I'll go listen to a remote viewer, and then I will be able to remote view."

*crazy thought*

I decided to listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ANryZuoHBM

And I had my boogie board with me:

^ Stock photo from Google images, not mine

Unfortunately my camera needs to be charged and I need to get an adaptor to load pics from my camera to this Chrome Book.

I'm saying that because I can't show you what I started to doodle as Ingo Swann began telling a story about remote viewing a quark detector. I don't remember what quarks are, and if you asked me what a detector might look like, I would have drawn some type of camera.

It was not my intention to do remote viewing, whatsoever. (ETA: Not at that point. I thought he might signal the beginning of a real exercise, which is why I had the drawing board ready.) But then, I was just doodling and listening.

Then at some point as he was describing drawing this detector, a lightbulb went on in my brain.

HEY! Could I have been decoding the picture of the quark detector from his voice?? Could these arcs and bundles that I've been sketching have anything to do with a quark detector, whatever the hell that is??

Sure enough, when I checked Google images for a picture of a quark detector, I found stuff like this:

Which looks an awful lot like the random arcs that I had filled my boogie board with. And I don't usually doodle that way.

I asked my daughter to take a picture of my drawing and email it to me, so I could post it, however I can't get my image posting service to accept it. So, this story hits a dead end. Even if I could post the picture, one might think I cheated, or that it didn't look ENOUGH like those other pics.

But it's enough to spook ME, because I know what happened.

Now to answer your question:

At this point it seems to me that thoughts are textural more than linguistic. Or textural before linguistic. I mean they are an energy-vibration. If someone gets on your frequency, you are open source to them. You are swimming in the same mind-pool to a certain extent. Saying they are stealing your thoughts is like saying they are stealing your air. It's communal.

That is my experience and my belief, but I'm no expert...

To people who aren't really trained, just perceptive, it's a sloppy process, where you cannot tell the boundaries. A song comes into your mind, you think it's your song, but when you start humming it, someone else says, "OMG that is the song I had in my head!"

Is there something unethical about this?

Should we ban synchronicity?

One more thing that occurred to me.

About the woman I met yesterday. Because I could feel/see her home, I felt like I knew her at the level of acquaintance one would have to be, in order to get invited into her home. Perhaps this is one reason why Pisces moons tend to be accepting and love everyone. We get a more intimate sense of them than what they are actually revealing on purpose. And that is endearing, usually.

But it usually happens on such a sensitive level, it's as if it's not happening at all, which makes it hard (ridiculous?) to talk about.

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posted September 26, 2016 08:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Novabronte:

Since getting into someone's mind without their permission is a violation of soul rules, no good ethical spiritual person would do it.
And even then, I doubt anyone could read your mind unless you give them permission or project your thoughts to them.
Telepathy often happens between very loving couples, they say they 'read' each others thoughts. Or between mother and her child.

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But do you think telepathy requires too permission? Or.. if I send you a thought, do you have to receive it? That is, if you're psychic enough... Can one really switch on and off? How do you know? Have you ever tried it, or have you read about it?

posted September 26, 2016 01:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Ayelet:
But do you think telepathy requires too permission? Or.. if I send you a thought, do you have to receive it? That is, if you're psychic enough... Can one really switch on and off? How do you know? Have you ever tried it, or have you read about it?

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This is a river like topic and there are books,studies, experiments you can source if you need to know more.

All that needs to be said in response to your query, is that you shouldn't be worried that someone can access your thoughts without your consent. Be careful with your words, for they can carry a lot more meaning than we notice or think what we are actually saying (or giving consent for). Words are energy.
Every person has a million of random thoughts each day, if you don't like some of them , then you can silence them.

For your peace of mind, you may want to do this psychic defense:
say mentally or out loud, you may need to do it many times until it sinks in

"I deny to any person or being whatsoever the power to influence me psychically, or in any other way, without my consent.
I neutralize them by this denial."

posted September 27, 2016 02:17 AM            

its interesting i scrolled through your post quicly and saw the name Ingo Swann, i just read the initial that you interpretted the corihydrator whatever the heck its called through his voice tone

anyway was scrolling through youtube, alien videos, saw the name ingo swann come up on a video. interestingly enough according to his words he was cooperating with the highest US forces to use out of body perception and he found life on the moon. aliens.

that was very interesting to me. It seems they are ******** up there who dont want us around. Not sure if I should believe its true but thats how it seems what with the stories of astronaughts telling how the aliens didnt want them up there. Dont seem very friendly. Then again that was 50 years ago when our whole solar system (due to the sun) was still in the age of the jaguar- fear, action, materialism, the ideas of "us against them" "good (us) vs evil (them)"

so its natural the aliens are more friendly.