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Kerosene
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posted May 14, 2013 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got in a huge fight with my dad.
We were watching CNN together and something about breast cancer came up and I just mentioned how they have not even found a cure for cancer.
He went on about how things can't be explained and god works in mysterious ways.

All I said was if thats true god is an ass for torturing innocent people... Was I really that out of line? I don't actually think his god is an ass. I just ment it in the context of our conversation.
He pretty much flipped out.
I had no idea he was a god fearing man. I probably would not have said that..
Blows my mind when people blame a god for all the world's problems and worship it.
It's ridiculous...

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Lexxigramer
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posted May 14, 2013 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I am with you.

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Padre35
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posted May 15, 2013 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Then again Kero, he may just be screwing with you.

Now he's going to have a "god" moment?

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PixieJane
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posted May 15, 2013 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suspect it may be related to Stockholm syndrome. Remember, many of them FEEL God as a force. This is why some gays commit suicide, because they can feel God's hate of them, and even a woman I knew who became an atheist told me she felt "God's terrible disappointment" in her when she refused to deny gays civil rights in an election, though she understands how she'd been brainwashed into believing that and that it wasn't real. If they question their faith or think anything that can offend God then they may suffer eternally for it. That's quite the fear. If one had to live under it constantly then I can definitely see something like Stockholm Syndrome coming out of it.

Oh, and like how someone suffering Stockholm syndrome can interpret a lack of abuse as kindness, that reminds me of one woman's account who's BF, IIRC, was murdered, and she was stripped, raped, stabbed several times, and then she ran away at night in the snow telling herself, "God won't let me die." Yeah, God WILL let everything else happen, but she still believes God has power over her life and is good. That really is too much like Stockholm syndrome!

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geea
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posted May 15, 2013 06:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for geea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
kerosene, if you don't want your dad i'll take him!
i would love to have a more religious spiritual father like yours and you can have mine, he is the typical ”i don't believe until i see”

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geea
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posted May 15, 2013 06:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for geea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PixieJane:
I suspect it may be related to Stockholm syndrome. Remember, many of them FEEL God as a force. This is why some gays commit suicide, because they can feel God's hate of them, and even a woman I knew who became an atheist told me she felt "God's terrible disappointment" in her when she refused to deny gays civil rights in an election, though she understands how she'd been brainwashed into believing that and that it wasn't real. If they question their faith or think anything that can offend God then they may suffer eternally for it. That's quite the fear. If one had to live under it constantly then I can definitely see something like Stockholm Syndrome coming out of it.

Oh, and like how someone suffering Stockholm syndrome can interpret a lack of abuse as kindness, that reminds me of one woman's account who's BF, IIRC, was murdered, and she was stripped, raped, stabbed several times, and then she ran away at night in the snow telling herself, "God won't let me die." Yeah, God WILL let everything else happen, but she still believes God has power over her life and is good. That really is too much like Stockholm syndrome!



s. syndrom, i cant even
so it was true when they said that believing in god will come to be considered a pathology; well given the ”how” some people choose to believe in a god(not the One and True) i guess it really is brainwashing because God would never want anyone to commit suicide...

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Randall
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posted May 15, 2013 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moving to Divine Diversities.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted May 15, 2013 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not God's fault when souls turn away from God,
and enter realms where all manner of difficulties ensue.

Also, there are profoundly effective treatments for Cancer,
but you won't learn about them by watching television.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bv-UxhKdg4

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Ami Anne
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posted May 15, 2013 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:
I got in a huge fight with my dad.
We were watching CNN together and something about breast cancer came up and I just mentioned how they have not even found a cure for cancer.
He went on about how things can't be explained and god works in mysterious ways.

All I said was if thats true god is an ass for torturing innocent people... Was I really that out of line? I don't actually think his god is an ass. I just ment it in the context of our conversation.
He pretty much flipped out.
I had no idea he was a god fearing man. I probably would not have said that..
Blows my mind when people blame a god for all the world's problems and worship it.
It's ridiculous...


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PixieJane
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posted May 15, 2013 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by geea:

s. syndrom, i cant even

Not all, but some. Take the specific example I gave. Do you believe that God exerted enough control to keep that woman from dying? And if so, then wouldn't it stand to reason she could keep her boyfriend from being murdered as well, and could've kept her from being raped and stabbed several times?

If you're like most Russian Orthodox then you won't. I do think Russian Orthodoxy has facilitated tyranny in Russia and also helped assured (however unintentionally) the rise of the Soviet state, but they generally don't believe that God is doing it to them, but that Man is. As you said before (a typically Russian Orthodox response) the world will crucify true Christians right along with Christ, but the important part is God isn't doing it. Therefore, in this case, loving God when raped & stabbed by humans isn't like Stockholm Syndrome.

However, here in the West plenty of people have a much more literal view of God devoid of most mysticism, and tend to think of God as a magical genie and bodyguard (I've heard more than one say, "God is bigger than any mugger" when tempting fate as they believe God and His angels will personally intervene to keep anything from happening, and I read of one who was angry that God "let her crash" when she ran a stop sign while drunk). For an example of how many Americans believe see this glurge of good Christians miraculously protected such as from a rapist with prayer whereas if God is angry then He visits terrible disasters on someone, including Hurricane Katrina & 9/11 (note, "not remove protection" but actually inflicts it, such as this popular guy on a popular show here).

So if you believe this demon called God has total power over your life, that can prevent your rape and multiple stab wounds but doesn't (and may have even caused it) yet you love Him anyway being grateful he's not going to let you die (after all then he'd have to find a new toy) then how is that NOT like Stockholm Syndrome? Or put it another way, if a MAN (like say in those Saw movies? Never saw 'em so I'm only guessing) were to turn you over to be raped & stabbed but prevented you from being killed and the brutalized prisoner LOVED her jailor to the point of loudly condemning those who spoke against him, would that not be Stockholm Syndrome? So how does it become different when you replace the jailor with God if God is acting just like a sadistic jailor? And should God be held to lower moral standards than everyone else so that God gets praise for doing the same thing that would get a human reviled?

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PixieJane
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posted May 15, 2013 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:
All I said was if thats true god is an ass for torturing innocent people... Was I really that out of line? I don't actually think his god is an ass. I just ment it in the context of our conversation.
He pretty much flipped out.
I had no idea he was a god fearing man. I probably would not have said that..
Blows my mind when people blame a god for all the world's problems and worship it.
It's ridiculous...

You might like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zplGwAbyvbM

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shura
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posted May 16, 2013 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Heart--Shaped Cross:
It's not God's fault when souls turn away from God,
and enter realms where all manner of difficulties ensue.

Also, there are profoundly effective treatments for Cancer,
but you won't learn about them by watching television.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bv-UxhKdg4


Turning to God won't put an end to difficulties, HSC. Our fate is to flee from sin, not suffering.


"The further the soul advances, the greater are the adversaries against which it must contend"

People fear suffering, and so they hope and expect God will spare them from this. It is understandable. I sometimes fear suffering, too. But God can't spare us this any more than we can spare our own children. And likely for very similar reasons.

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T
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posted May 17, 2013 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
shura,

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Love&Light
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posted May 17, 2013 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love&Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Keroscene I think its psychological. We need someone to fall back on mentally for problems which seem beyond us. (Like little kids take immense comfort in their parents. They know somewhere at the back of their mind that they are around for them. Not all i know but many do.) Ofcourse one has to take all the practical solutions into consideration and act on them yet somewhere we wonder why and/or fear as to what will happen in a particular situation. We also need to feel comforted and believe that all is well. Having this belief that you are being looked after by someone up there leads to a positive attitude that makes us go on and pull out of such crises. Call it faith or whatever. I think your father did just that. He surrendered to whatever he could not understand or do something about. Such attitude lessens the friction that goes on in the mind of the person and puts it to rest. May be he would have reacted otherwise had you put the same point to him in another way.

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Kerosene
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posted May 17, 2013 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry for not responding!!
this week was crazy and I had no time to even rest..
Anyways I was talking to my mother about our fight and apparently my dads mother died of breast cancer when he was 6.

I had to no idea, it's something we never talk about.
I think his perspective is "god took my mother away for "special" reason.
That's why he reacted so emotionally.
I don't blame him either.
We're cool now, like nothing ever happened, he's good at keeping the peace.
Typical libra moon

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