posted April 18, 2009 03:53 AM           

It has never really dawned on me that we could be transited by extremely slow moving planetoids or whatever that could take a large chunk of our life time before it moves out of a major aspect with personal planets or even out of a house.

So yeah, size of the object doesn't matter, lol, it's how it applies its interest, or some such.

posted April 18, 2009 09:15 AM           

Imagine for instance if Pluto's travels meant that it moved 1 degree every year or so. It's corresponding affect would be very focused. Imagine a conjunction in our 6th, housing our Moon for instance, and another celestial body moving like a big slug over it. That might explain the unexplainable in some people's lives.

We think Pluto or Saturn conjunctions can wreak havoc, imagine something that might be even denser than Pluto that might have an affect like for example:

~ huge learning curve with faith, no faith, what we believe in(other than the Jupiter type)
~ or, something that affected our social presence and experience of social networks/interactions other than Venus/Merc/Moon/Uranus or whatever types of transits.
~ or, our abilities, it might not always come down to age and experience

~ or, health issues that abate over time and don't affect us as much, or the reverse

What if some of the things we ascribe to our personality or to the lessons of Saturn are actually under another canopy of a transit that might span say 25 years of our life within the one major transiting aspect?

posted April 18, 2009 09:34 AM           

I wikipedieded/googled and it's in Uranian astrology as a trans-neptunian. Maybe I've seen it on the threads in one of Glaucus's or IQ's postings as well.

Yeah, I don't know, it just came to mind. It may not even move as slowly as I was wondering.

posted April 18, 2009 09:37 AM         

Go to google and search fixed stars and watch your astrological universe expand.

posted April 18, 2009 09:54 AM           

omg, on one googled site she was talking about the dreaming of the Australian aborigines but also of horse-dreaming on plains. I have had those lucid dreams and I was going to mention something about it on a post by Obe1canneloniMars, I think it was, because he said he had experienced that in dreams. I too have seen horses racing across high plains - huge black horse, kicking other horses with its back legs, and nasty big scary view of its scary eyed expression, also thunder/lightening and storms up there.

But yes, thanks again, I will delve....seems pertinent

posted April 18, 2009 09:59 AM         

BTW...I am not into Uranian Astrology for I don't use hypothetical transneptunians. Kronos is one of those.

On 15 March 2004, astronomers from Caltech, Gemini Observatory, and Yale University announced the discovery of the coldest, most distant object known to orbit the sun. The object was found at a distance 90 times greater than that from the sun to the earth -- about 3 times further than Pluto, the most distant known planet.

The discovery was made on the Samuel Oschin Telescope at the Palomar Observatory east of San Diego on 14 November 2003 by the team of Mike Brown (Caltech), Chad Trujillo (Gemini Observatory) and David Rabinowitz (Yale).

Because of its frigid temperatures, the team has named the object Sedna, after the Inuit goddess of the sea from whom all sea creatures were created.
How far away is Sedna?

Sedna is the most distant solar system object ever discovered. It is twice as far from the sun as any other solar system object and three times farther than Pluto or Neptune. Standing on the surface of Sedna, you could block the entire sun with the head of a pin held at arm's length.

Even more interestingly, the orbit of Sedna is extreme elliptical, in contrast to all of the much closer planets, and it takes 10,500 years to circle the sun. http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~mbrown/sedna/

posted April 18, 2009 10:13 AM         

Peri also posted about Sedna before http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/015260.html

currently transiting Sedna is in 20'50 Taurus

That's in my 9th house
conjuncting my Sedna/Midheaven midpoint in 21'40 Taurus
opposing my 2nd/9th house ruler Venus in 21'47 Scorpio in 3rd
opposing my Sun/Jupiter midpoint in 21'48 Scorpio
square my Moon/Node midpoint in 21'50 Aquarius

currently transiting retrograde Pluto is in 3'15 Capricorn in a minor grand trine to my sextile of Moon in 3'11 in 6th and retrograde Sedna in 2'06 Taurus in 8th, squaring my Moon/Sedna midpoint in 2'38 Aries.

both of those look like spiritual transits to me. I am going to become a member of an interfaith unity church on May 17th during those transits. It fits.

other stuff on Sedna

keywords by Roy MacKinnon

Victim, sacrifice sometimes unavoidable: transformation of victimhood – losses, possibly emotional, in mundane house where Sedna is, particularly if afflicted: inevitable fate – destiny: not of this world – worlds in collision – not of this culture, not of this time: uncovering that which is hidden, remote, unseen: concealed and acting unseen in an inky blackness: search for new knowledge in an alien world: issues around preservation of that which is untouched, essential, numinous: purposeful activity fuelled by a burning inner spiritual drive not of the personality: superconscious perception which incorporates a multi-dimensional mystical universe: far-sighted intelligence: misperception of reality – delusional, self-deception: release of soul to the world of spirit in the process of dying: psychic/mediumistic – this world connected to the other: the suffering of the unloved, outcast, sick, homeless, limbless: Noah's ark – preservation of what would otherwise become extinct: buried alive – entombed: Thy Will, not my will: essence not personality: preservation of nature and ecosystems: receptive to a spiritual calling from afar: the power of water: in this world but not of it. http://www.zanestein.com/keywords.html#Sedna

Roy MacKinnon's site http://www.bristolschoolofastrology.com/sedna_.19.html

Mark Andrew Holmes http://www.geocities.com/mahtezcatpoc/sedna.html

posted April 18, 2009 11:12 AM           

Pluto/Uranus/Neptune are the slower moving planets and can explain things like you mention.

posted April 18, 2009 11:19 AM         

I am not even into Magi Astrology.

so please don't group everybody that is into transneptunian Astrology under the Magi Society umbrella

I am just into studying transneptunian objects. mainly the kuiper belt objects and the oort cloud object,Sedna.

They are not the same as hypothetical transneptunian objects in Uranian Astrology.

You don't have to be into Magi Astrology to be into transneptunian objects.

I don't agree with Magi Society's take on Sedna either.

FYI Pluto is NOT a planet. It's a dwarf planet. It is one of thousands of kuiper belt objects.

so if a kuiper belt dwarf planet Pluto is important in Astrology, then Eris, Makemake,and Haumea which are also kuiper belt dwarf planets can be important too. Same for other big kuiper belt objects like Orcus,Varuna,and Ixion. Same with the big oort cloud object,Sedna.

They can be very important for people that have them prominently placed in their charts like I definitely do.

posted April 18, 2009 11:21 AM         

And it's insulting calling a Uranian Astrologer the same as the drama queen magis.

In regards to this post, I've always felt outer planet transits stronger than inner planet transits. Pluto squaring my Venus was murder. The Sun/Moon/Mercury/Venus move too quickly for me to really feel anything, unless there are retrogrades involved.

posted April 18, 2009 11:25 AM         

I am just into Astrology period,and I am into studying actual transneptunian objects that astronomers discovered.

The solar system doesn't end with Pluto.....it goes way beyond.

like I said before, Pluto is found to be one of thousands of kuiper belt objects.

posted April 18, 2009 11:27 AM           

Pluto is not a planet. This is because they say so. Im guessing size of the thing is what matters.
But it was a planet. Suddenly goes from being a planet to not being a planet.

posted April 18, 2009 11:31 AM         

Eris, dwarf planet orbiting the Sun in the outer solar system beyond Neptune. Like Pluto, Eris is a spherical Kuiper Belt Object (KBO) made of ice and rock. Eris is the largest known KBO. Its estimated diameter of 2,400 km (1,490 mi) makes Eris slightly bigger than Pluto. Its mass is 27 percent greater than Pluto’s. Eris completes one orbit in 560 years and is currently the most distant known body in the solar system at 14.5 billion km (9 billion mi) from the Sun. Its orbit is much more eccentric and tilted than that of Pluto. Eris has a small moon named Dysnomia.

All the information scientists have about Eris comes from observations made with telescopes, and some facts are not firmly established yet, including its rotation period and its axis tilt. The dwarf planet was discovered in 2005 after astronomers restudied data recorded in 2003. Eris is named for the Greek goddess of discord.

Eris orbits at an average distance of 67 AU or 10 billion km (6.3 billion mi) from the Sun. (AU stands for astronomical unit, the average distance from the Earth to the Sun). However, its orbit is so elliptical that Eris’s distance from the Sun can range from its present far position (aphelion) of about 97 AU—14.5 billion km (9 billion mi)—to a near point (perihelion) of 38 AU—5.7 billion km (3.5 billion mi)—an event that will next happen in 2257. At its nearest point, Eris passes inside the orbit of Pluto, but beyond the orbit of Neptune.

The orbit of Eris is also tilted much more steeply than Pluto’s relative to the plane of the ecliptic (the plane in which Earth orbits the Sun, roughly the main plane of the solar system). Eris’s orbit is inclined 44° to the ecliptic, while Pluto's orbit is inclined 17.2°. Like Pluto, Eris likely formed in the disk of the Kuiper Belt, which lies in the plane of the ecliptic. The gravitational influence of the planet Neptune on the Kuiper Belt is thought to have affected the orbit of Pluto. Neptune may also have disturbed the original path of Eris early in the history of the solar system, sending the dwarf planet into its steep orbit. http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_701835531/Eris.html

Eris moves much faster than Sedna
that's why I didn't mention it. It doesn't fit with what Chryseis is talking about.

Raymond

posted April 18, 2009 11:35 AM         

yeah.....but Pluto is not unique in that way.

the discovery of the kuiper belt opened the can of worms.

If Pluto was discovered today, it wouldn't have been classed as a planet.

When Clyde Tombaugh discovered Pluto, the kuiper belt wasn't known. He was looking for planet x. It turned out that the theory of Planet X was based on astronomical error.
The dwarf planet,Makemake was the only other kuiper belt dwarf planet that was near the ecliptic that Tombaugh could have found.

Ceres,Pallas,Juno,and Vesta were considered planets too before astronomers discovered they were part of an asteroid belt.

and now Ceres finally is Pluto's equal in Astronomy even though it's not in Astrology. That is thanks to the discovery of larger kuiper belt object,Eris which forced astronomers to come up with a definition of what constitutes a planet.
Currently, Eris,Pluto,Makemake,Haumea,and Ceres are classed as dwarf planets with many to follow like Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,and Ixion.

there are large kuiper belt objects that haven't been named yet.

Chiron is not that unique either with it being now known as one of over 40 centaurs in our solar system.

Raymond

posted April 18, 2009 11:43 AM         

edit: sorry, just saw glaucus' description of the elliptic orbit which could explain it if its currently at a close point to us...

posted April 18, 2009 11:48 AM         

It's not a misread. The orbit is 10,500 years.

posted April 18, 2009 12:07 PM         

I asked Roy MacKinnon about orbs. I even thought about only using 30 minutes of arc. He believes that 1 degree works.

I think Sedna transits could be in synchronicity with events that might involve victimization,being "out there",concern for the environment,human rights, compassion,spirituality,higher consciousness,dealing with special needs type of people

It seems very Neptune-like, but even more otherworldly,remote

and definitely more of nonconformist than Neptune

after all, Neptune conforms for it orbits on the ecliptic.

Sedna has a highly elliptical orbit and orbits way off the ecliptic,and so it's a nonconformist.

the same goes for the kuiper belt objects including Pluto

the same for the centaurs including Chiron

This might go against what most astrologers think, but I believe that Pluto is actually more of a nonconformist than Uranus because Pluto has a highly elliptical orbit and tends to orbit off the ecliptic unlike Uranus which orbits on the ecliptic.

of course, that's one of the reasons astronomers had doubts about Pluto being a planet because it is very unusual compared to the planets.

Raymond

posted April 18, 2009 04:14 PM           

Glaucus: Sedna sounds possible because I realized as I was writing that I made a reference to moon/mother and when, among others, you listed some of the things that could be connected to that illusory moon type sensation of feeling; angst about who we are/are we going to survive/what kind of principles will stand us in good stead for safety etc(or versions of these) - and yeah it could be that perhaps.

I think the list of what I am considering this 'slug' might be is:

~ really oppressive - do as your told kind of stuff

~ limitations on a much deeper level than Saturn

~ some feelings of angst over choices/temptations

posted April 18, 2009 04:29 PM           

That sounds really out of it! But it's just a creative attempt to an impression.

posted April 18, 2009 04:42 PM         

you just think outside the box, and I like people like that.

I am the same way. My Mercury,Saturn,Uranus,Sedna in 11th harmonic (all aspects under half a degree) isosceles trapezoid. I think my Mercury biquintile Eris of 6 minutes of arc is an indicator too.

but yeah....I agree with a lot of what you said. You're right about there is a very slow moving object that makes Pluto look very fast.

posted April 18, 2009 05:15 PM           

If our horoscopes could be transmuted into an artistic form I think I could better understand how the asteroids and other objects related to me.

How good would it be to have an artist that could paint or sculpt the interrelating aspects of 200 or more astrological points.

posted April 18, 2009 05:34 PM           

The myth is Inuit and she lies at the bottom of an arctic sea and is connected to sea mammals. Her hair tendrils can entwine others and there was even a reference to her having dogs when she was on land.