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hikoro
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posted May 09, 2009 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message
I have been searching if saturn has an influence in relationships with no avail. I do remember reading somewhere that it does, but I am not sure if this is true or not.

So....

Does Saturn have an influence in love relationships?

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posted May 09, 2009 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
Saturn adds stability to relationships.

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hikoro
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posted May 09, 2009 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message
Would you please elaborate?

I mean, let's say the girl has saturn in Capricorn and then the guy has saturn in Scorpio.

What does this mean?

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posted May 09, 2009 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emma_duncan     Edit/Delete Message
i am surprised u didnt find any thing abt saturm in relations.
it is one of the most widely discussed topics in synastry

saturn conjuct/opposte venus is classic karmic connection

lot of long term couples also have staurn sun or staurn mar hard aspects

it is a binder, long haul type of indicator

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posted May 09, 2009 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
emma duncan your explanation is refreshing, my mars square the saturn of a special someone but your words were clear and positive.

much appreciated.

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posted May 09, 2009 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian Persona     Edit/Delete Message
Karma, Saturn, and relationships: something that I am a bit too familiar with, for better or worse. I don't know how the hell I do it, but I have always been the Saturn person in my serious relationships. Saturn definitely does add stability to a relationship, but since it is the karmic task master it can also be very draining on the two parties involved, especially when one or both parties is not prepared for such responsibilities.

Saturn conjunct Venus or Mars, while being very karmic in nature also makes the Venus or Mars person feel trapped (or so I've been told).

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posted May 09, 2009 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message
Emma,

I have even typed "saturn in relationships".

The information I have found on saturn has been on the way it affects the person's personality and saturnial phases but nothing about relationships per se.

I also did not understand your post quite well.

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saturn conjuct/opposte venus is classic karmic connection

Would you please give an example of a saturn conjunct?
An opposite would be cap saturn with cancer saturn, correct?

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lot of long term couples also have staurn sun or staurn mar hard aspects

Did not get this one. What is saturn sun and saturn mars? What are hard aspects?

Her:

Scorpio sun
Scorpio Venus
Aquarius mars
Capricorn Saturn

Him:

Virgo sun
Leo Venus
Leo Mars
Scorpio Saturn

Does that say anything?

If you know of useful information I can use to understand this, please let me know.

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posted May 09, 2009 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
you might want to read some of the synastry threads on this board. and some elementary astrology books, too.

saturn/sun or saturn/venus or saturn/mars means one person's saturn in aspect to the other person's sun, venus, mars. or vice versa. but for an explanation of the aspects you would be better off researching some texts or -

cafeastrology.com and other sites have some explanations that will bring you a little further on to where you can understand the answers people are trying to give you...!

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posted May 09, 2009 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message
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Karma, Saturn, and relationships: something that I am a bit too familiar with, for better or worse. I don't know how the hell I do it, but I have always been the Saturn person in my serious relationships.

So, are you saying that you express the characteristics of your saturn sign in relationships?

Interesting, that may be the reason people with Saturn in Scorpio can seem scorpionic even when that is the only planet they have in Scorpio. I am a scorpio sun.

You see, all this time I have thought that the sun, moon, venus and mars are the main planets that count in relationships.

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Saturn conjunct Venus or Mars, while being very karmic in nature also makes the Venus or Mars person feel trapped (or so I've been told).

Feeling trapped? As in what?

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posted May 09, 2009 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
~ http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jkbx/saturn.synastry.html ~

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posted May 09, 2009 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
google "saturn in synastry" or "saturn relationships astrology"

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posted May 09, 2009 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl20     Edit/Delete Message
Saturn Conjunct or opp Venus is Karmic? What does that mean? Karmic?? Also I am really liking this guy who graduated yesterday (and moved away) and while it seemed like we liked each other as people there seemed to be resistance to even being FRIENDS! An example I had was wanting very much to get closer but never contacting him, calling or texting. And he never did the same.

We had Venus Opp Saturn: Him Saturn
Moon Opp Saturn: Him Moon
Mercury Square Saturn: Him Mercury

Why is there resistance and has anyone found out how these aspects manifest after the person is gone. Is it a case where one or both parties remembers the other for a long time. Especially if one party isn't willing to commit (he wouldn't even commit to a friendship).

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posted May 09, 2009 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
Simply putting, when a person's certain planet makes an aspect to a certain planet in your chart, this person would affect that side of you. for example, if someone's Saturn makes an aspect to your Moon, this person will be more serious to your emotions/feelings. Now it depends if it's a positive or a negative aspect to determine if this link is actually smooth or conflicting.

But it also depends on if this person's Saturn is actually afflicted in his7her own chart or not, to determine whether this person would be comfortable with you "touching" his/her Saturn or not. Non-astrologically speaking, imagine if a person has issues with seriousness. So if you arouse this person's seriousness, he/she might feel uncomfortable with it. Yet if this person doesn't have any problems with seriousness, then he/she would actually feel comfortable with you.

I'm not sure about Saturn aspects being karmic or not, and I'm skeptical about it, yet what Saturn would surely do is to make us feel more serious about someone who aspects our Saturn.

In a synastry, when there are aspects linked to Saturn, the Saturn person would be more serious with the other one (and maybe even feel the urge to discipline/teach the other person), so it might make the other one feel a bit restricted.

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posted May 09, 2009 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian Persona     Edit/Delete Message
Hikoro: Saturn influences the planets that it comes into contact by a.) positively structuring this energy or b.) negatively restricting the energy.

The Cafe Astrology interpretation for Venus conjunct Saturn is a good example of this,

"This contact can represent a binding tie, but not without its share of challenges. The Saturn person tends to have the effect of stabilizing the Venus person's emotions, and much will depend on how the Venus person reacts and the how maturely the Saturn person acts upon the Venus person. Commitment, loyalty, and responsibility are vital defining factors of this relationship. Both persons will need to be aware of a tendency to be too insistent on attention from one another, and well as of the tendency to restrict each other's sense of freedom...The Venus person may feel restricted or downright repressed by the Saturn person."

As for the trapped feeling, I've been told have too much of a parental attitude towards whoever it is I'm involved with: as though I'm confining their love or action natures too much.

GrlyGirl20: Saturn is considered the Lord of Karma within one's chart and as such I believe that because of this moniker, it can very much be linked with past karmic relationships that have resurfaced in our present incarnation.

As I was saying in my first post, Saturn also brings a certain amount of necessary commitment to a relationship. Some people, either consciously or unconsciously, sense this responsibility and run for the hills!

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posted May 10, 2009 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for emma_duncan     Edit/Delete Message
@ pire: you are welcome

@ Hikoro: like other ppl have said look for saturn in synastry....so if your saturn is in 18 deg scorpio and other persons venus is in 18 deg taurus then yr saturn is opposite the other person's venus

i say saturn and venus connection between natal charts of two individuals, like the example i gave abve are karmic, because things will happen/or not happen in a way that the two of you will be required to work togethr. however other contacts need to kept in view...if there are too many staurn connection and no other positive connections to balance, then imo that relationship may never take off.

in the example you gave, it seems his saturn is conjuct the others venus and sun
and her satun seems to make trine with others sun...her venus is also square others mars...i need to know abt moon signs as well...anyway, you need to look at degrees too...i mean what are the exact degrees of these signs and then see the angles or aspects

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posted May 11, 2009 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AscTaurus     Edit/Delete Message
Saturn in a chart shows what your prioroties are:

In Aries:

Its always being first or being a pioneer of sort. Often it is Aries in Saturn that is the CEO of some company or the "first" to have done something within their respective age-group.

In taurus:

Its establishing roots and a firm and a secure base(often financial).Saturn in Taurus are slow to attain financial stability only to cling to it passionately throughout their lives.

In Gemini:

Its having as many diverse experiences as possible( often attracting different sorts of people). Gemini saturn loves to communicate and likes to sorround themselves with people who are well-spoken or specialists in some communication field.

In Cancer:

Its having a home,white picket fence, a dog or a cat(depending on your preference)These people take tradition and family very seriously and will sacrifice all for the ties that bind.

In Leo:

Its being able to express your originality/personality every chance you get (often on stage or in a public arena like politics)Often seeming quite vain and self-interested, Saturn Lions seem to be self-interested than sincere thus attaining a reputation for being "limelight seekers". They are however powerful personalities with commanding egos and make good leaders as they seem to inspire confidence.

In Virgo:

Being able to pay attention to the small detail and being able to analyse and respond to life in an anlytical way and minimize emotional responses. Often it is the Saturn in Vigo who'll be very critical of "big" dreams and "big" plans. Sceptical by nature, the Virgin Saturn knows that it is through the completion of samller taks that the bigger ones become manageable.

In Libra:

Develope close relationships that give you a point of reference and support. Friendships and relationships are taken seriously.Often it is these people who have many unsuccessful relationships in early life only to mature and settle down later.

In Scorpio:

Control over ones environment and being able to create something from nothing. Sexual relations are important as is the ability to respond appropriately in a crisis.You'll find these people in positions of Sex therapist, psychologist, investment banker or priest. They like to be in control of their sorroundings(remember that)

In Sagitarius:

Learning as much as one can about all things that are different from one's culture and exploring other points of views in living. It is not unusual for the Saturn in Sagittarius to marry someone who is completely culturally/ethnically different from them.

In Capricorn:

To have a steady career, a good reputation,well established roots and steady increase of money over the years. The capricorn is a very ambitious sign and will look to elevte their social status with this position.

In Aquarius:

To recreate reality, to introduce something exciting and unusual to the way things have always have been done. It is not unusual for Saturn in Aquarius to have been victims of discrimination and oppression thus making them understand the repercutions of society's rigid opinions. This can lead them to desire to conform to society's standards only to redefine them or else reject them altogether.

Saturn in Pisces: Often very spritually inclinned. They vcan conform to very rigid views on religion and can be fanatical. Often they are found in professions that seem to have a "spiritual" component on the surface but are much more "status" focused when you dig deepr into them. The popecy can be described as a good in Saturn in Pisces placement.

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posted May 11, 2009 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message
Emma

I can’t do much with the angles since unfortunately, I don’t know his exact birth time, except that he was born between 4 pm to 5 pm, which makes his asc Capricorn, that is all.

This is more complete:

Her

Sun: Scorpio
Moon: Taurus
Venus: Scorpio
Mars: Aquarius
Saturn: Sagittarius
Asc: Taurus

Him:

Sun: virgo
Moon: virgo
Venus: leo
Mars: Leo
Saturn: Scorpio
Asc: Capricorn

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Learning as much as one can about all things that are different from one's culture and exploring other points of views in living. It is not unusual for the Saturn in Sagittarius to marry someone who is completely culturally/ethnically different from them.

Oy…all this time I thought I had Saturn in Cap but I actually have it in Sagittarius. Is that the reason all the people I have dated have been culturally/ethnically different from me? I have never been able to feel attracted to someone who was from my circle. And I have never been able to explain the reason behind it. Now I know. :-)

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posted May 11, 2009 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emma_duncan     Edit/Delete Message
you can still make a birth chart for both of you at astro.com and post ir here

for getting attrcated to people of other culture look at your 9th house, or does ruler of 5th, or 7th house fall in 9th for exmple if your desc starts at scorpio its ruler is pluto, so does it lie in 9th house....its traditional ruler is mars though

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posted May 11, 2009 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message
Emma

Thank you very much for the interest.

How do I add the image to the post? I have seen people posting astro charts. I tried posting it by doing the [img] url[/img] and it did not work.
Also, I think we can't upload images.

About the rest....

Know that I am no expert but I think I have Virgo in the 5th house, Scorpio on the 7th and Cap in the 9th house.

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posted May 11, 2009 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message
I finally learned how to do it! Voila!

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posted May 11, 2009 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message
It is Saturn who has a hard time letting go IME...and yes there are plenty of lessons to be learned by Saturn connections, it just if you are ready to handle them or not. For some it is a difficult task. Yea Saturn Conjunction Venus can be serious glue, but your Moon in his 4th is good for being comfortable with each other.

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posted May 11, 2009 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emma_duncan     Edit/Delete Message
if i am correct yr 9th house ruler saturn is in 7th ...ie house of relationships

so this is another explanation of foreign elements in yr life

and his mars and venus are in yr 4th house...that is a v deep rooted effect on u...and knowing u are a scopio/water sign...and 4th is natural house of cancer u will be even more deeply affcted
if 430 is correct then his ic is conjuct by yr moon...awsome.....even if it stays in 4th house its great....by changing time...

also note that yr chart ruler is venus and his is saturn...and both are conjuct and are v close to dsc.....wohooooooooooooooo
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and one more great indicator provided his time is + - 15 min correct
yr and his ac/dsc and Ic/Mc axes are conjuct....it is often found in close relations/siblings/spouses/parenrs etc etc

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posted May 12, 2009 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cynnared     Edit/Delete Message
My ex and I have Saturn connections in hard aspect.

My Saturn in Taurus squares both his Mercury and Mars in Leo. His Saturn/Venus in Gemini Conj my Ascendant widely squaring my Pluto in Virgo. It is a nightmare dealing with him. He is a major control freak and demands that I live my life his way but I don't answer to him. He has a great deal of difficulty letting go. Dealing with him is like dealing with Satan.

Our daughter has Sun/Saturn/North Node Conj my Ascendant and Pluto opposite......It's like a part of his astro dna was transferred to her in relation to me in regards to the Saturn.....ugh

Cynn

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posted May 12, 2009 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message
libraschoice7

His saturn conjucting my venus is a serious glue....is this a bad or a good things?

Emma

Thank you.

The deal with the 4th house. His venus and leo in my fourth house and then, my moon and ascendant in his fourth house. Do you think this is the reason he is such a homebody?

I had a thread on leo venus here because from what I have read, leo venus are not homebodies but he adores staying at home, eat homemade food, cook breakfast, almost like a cancerian.

I wonder why.

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posted May 13, 2009 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emma_duncan     Edit/Delete Message
well how he is individually will be defined by if his own planets are in his OWN 4th house

however, in synastry they indicate mutual dymanics...and by the way leo and cancer share one thing and that is love for family...i dont agree venus in leo does not like home they are one of the most faithful and committed signs....

so when planets fall in each others 4th house this indicate a potential for deep bond and home together

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