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Glaucus
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posted April 23, 2010 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I have been wondering about declination midpoints.

Magi Astrologers use declination midpoints.

They are not the only astrologers that use them.

Cosmobiologists do too.

In her book, COSMOBIOLOGY FOR THE 21ST CENTURY, Eleonora Kimmel uses declination midpoints. She wrote that Reinhold Ebertin published information about declinations since 1976. She said that all the information has been published only in German. She said that he designed forms for declinations.

Declination Midpoints

by Jamie Longstreet

Interesting to me always, is that Ebertin uses declination midpoints in his work. To derive the midpoint via declination he applies basically the same rules that are applied when calculating the midpoint in zodiacal longitude. However, the longitude goes from 0 to 360 degrees and declination subdivides itself into North and South declination. This complicates things for those who are not visual. I'll try to provide an example. http://www.solsticepoint.com/midpts.htm
http://www.mandala.be/declination/dearborn4.htm

15 minutes of arc
if using the major planets,points
midpoint pictures involving Sun,Moon,Ascendant,Midheaven with 7 minutes of arc are major life themes

if using minor planets, 7 minutes of arc
midpoint pictures involving Sun,Moon,Ascendant,Midheaven with 3 minutes of arc are major life themes

Midpoint pictures


Sun parallel Jupiter/Uranus - '01 - major life theme
Venus parallel Mars/Jupiter - '02
Sun parallel Moon/Venus - '03' - major life theme
Mercury parallel Neptune/Node - '03
Mercury parallel Venus/Node - '06
Mercury parallel Venus/Neptune - '10
Sun parallel Moon/Mercury - '10
Sun parallel Moon/Node - '10
Venus parallel Neptune/Node - '11
Moon parallel Uranus/Midheaven - '11
Uranus parallel Node/Ascendant - '11
Uranus contraparallel Moon/Saturn - '11
Mercury parallel Mars/Jupiter - '12

additional midpoint pictures
(dwarf planets that include Pluto,Eris,Makemake,Haumea,and Ceres)
(dwarf planet candidates that include Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,Ixion)

Ixion parallel Mercury/Orcus - '01
Uranus contraparallel Sun/Haumea - '01- major life theme
Orcus contraparallel Jupiter/Uranus - '01
Varuna contraparallel Neptune/Ixion - '02
Varuna parallel Ixion/Haumea - '02
Node contraparallel Ixion/Midheaven - '02 - major life theme
Moon parallel Orcus/Eris - '02 - major life theme
Mars parallel Jupiter/Quaoar - '03
Quaoar contraparallel Sun/Uranus - '03 - major life theme
Orcus contraparallel Moon/Venus - '03 - major life theme
Pluto contraparallel Neptune/Quaoar - '03
Ixion parallel Neptune/Haumea - '04
Node parallel Jupiter/Eris - '04
Venus contraparallel Pluto/Midheaven - '04
Makemake contraparallel Uranus/Haumea - '04
Uranus contraparallel Ixion/Orcus - '04
Varuna parallel Makemake/Node - '05
Sedna parallel Neptune/Midheaven - '05
Eris contraparallel Ascendant/Midheaven - '06
Ascendant parallel Quaoar/Midheaven - '06
Venus contraparallel Ceres/Pluto - '06
Mercury contraparallel Ixion/Makemake - '06
Mars contraparallel Moon/Makemake - '06
Saturn contraparallel Pluto/Haumea - '06
Uranus parallel Moon/Ixion - '07
Sedna parallel Mercury/Ceres - '07
Ixion contraparallel Varuna/Haumea - '07
Moon parallel Neptune/Sedna - '07
Moon parallel Varuna/Ascendant - '07
Varuna contraparallel Sun/Moon - '07

Midpoint picture combos:
Sun = Orcus = Moon/Venus = Jupiter/Uranus =
Mercury = Venus = Mars/Jupiter = Neptune/Node
Uranus = Moon/Saturn = Sun/Haumea = Moon/Saturn = Node/Ascendant


If you want to know your declination midpoints

go to Extended Chart Selection

go to Chart Drawing Style, and select Keller style (w.midpoints)

Then click to get the chart

Then click view additional tables PDF

Declination midpoints will be on page 3


Please share your declination midpoints pictures

Can you relate to them?

What orbs do you feel comfortable using?


The declination midpoint orb at astro.com is 20 minutes of arc.
I thought it was too big. I thought 15 would be ok. I used half that orb for midpoint pictures involving the dwarf planets,dwarf planet candidates.

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posted April 23, 2010 11:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Raymond, are you looking @ pg.2 "Parallel aspects between natal planets"?
It's the one that sets 20 minutes for the mp orb.

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Glaucus
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posted April 23, 2010 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
It said page 3 for me.

It's because mine is longer because I included the 4 dwarf planets and 5 named dwarf planet candidates.

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posted April 24, 2010 12:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
I just noticed it's on pg.3 with the additional objects Thanks

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posted April 24, 2010 12:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
Midpoint pictures
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Jupiter parallel Moon/Saturn - '02 - major life theme
Saturn parallel Neptune/Mc - '02 - major life theme
Asc contraparallel Moon/Mercury - '04 - major life theme
Mercury parallel Jupiter/Neptune - '04
Mercury parallel Moon/Venus - '04 - major life theme
Mercury parallel Venus/Uranus - '05
Mc contraparallel Jupiter/Saturn - '06 - major life theme
Venus contraparallel Asc/Mc - '06 - major life theme
Uranus contraparallel Node/Asc - '08
Jupiter parallel Saturn/Uranus - '11
Mc contraparallel Venus/Mars - '12
Asc contraparallel Mercury/Uranus - '12
Mars contraparallel Sun/Asc - '13
Node contraparallel Moon/Neptune - '14
Neptune contraparallel Node - '15

Additional Midpoint Pictures
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Mars contraparallel Venus/Haumea - '01
Node parallel Haumea/Asc - '01 - major life theme
Ixion parallel Sun/Saturn - '01 - major life theme
Mercury contraparallel Varuna/Asc - '01 - major life theme
Haumea parallel MakeMake/Mc - '01 - major life theme
Saturn contraparallel Node/Ceres - '01
Mars parallel Quaoar/Sesna - '01
Saturn contraparallel Haumea/Quaoar - '01
Mc contraparallel Eris/Ixion - '02 - major life theme
Ceres parallel Venus/Mars - '02
Quaoar contraparallel Orcus/Varuna - '02
Neptune contraparallel Pluto/MakeMake - '02
Sedna contraparallel Jupiter/Orcus - '02
Varuna contraparallel Uranus/Eris - '02
Orcus parallel Pluto/Mc - '03 - major life theme
Ceres contraparallel Mars/Haumea - '03
Saturn parallel Mercury/Pluto - '03
Ixion parallel Mars/Quaoar - '03
Venus contraparallel Node/Orcus - '03
Saturn parallel Venus/Sedna - '03

I went up to 3 minutes for the addtl objects, that feels more than enough.
There's a part of me that wants to put it up to 10 total for the midpoint pictures and let everything up to that which incl Sun Moon Asc Mc as a major life theme. But that area I added here like you stated you liked, which is up to 7 for major life themes, up to 15 total.

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Glaucus
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posted April 24, 2010 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Lonake,

I just used the orbs that I felt most comfortable with.

I think that it's good for you to do the same to see what you feel is best for you. For instance,you used up to only 3 minutes of arc for the dwarf planets,dwarf planet candidates which was the maximum theme orb and less than the maximum general orb of 7 minutes of arc that I used. That's ok because you're using what you feel comfortable with and what works for you.


Orbs are very subjective and relative.

What works for me may not work for you

I thought the orbs that I used were small enough. Some people will just have numerous midpoints involving certain objects. They will often strengthen an already present theme.


like my Moon parallel Sedna/Neptune midpoint of 6 minutes of arc repeated my theme with Moon,Neptune,and Sedna that are in 12th harmonic aspect to each other. Moon square Neptune,Moon sextile Sedna,Neptune quincunx Sedna


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posted April 24, 2010 03:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
I'm curious what you'd make of this mp as it stands out to me for some reason,

"Node parallel Haumea/Asc - '01 - major life theme"

does it mean something along the lines of 'lifepath works directly with outward expression/physical manifestation of haumea'?

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posted April 24, 2010 03:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
Also, how did you go about figuring 'Midpoint Picture combos"? Are they the mp's most frequently activated within orb?

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posted April 24, 2010 03:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"I'm curious what you'd make of this mp as it stands out to me for some reason,

"Node parallel Haumea/Asc - '01 - major life theme"

hmmmmmmm

Node is about associations,connections

Haumea is named after the Hawaiian Fertility Creation Goddess who children were born from being broken off from her body. The object had pieces broken off that became its moons and some independently orbiting objects due to a collision with another large transneptunian object. A lot of its ice was broken off, and so it's mainly stone. It has a 4 hour rotation,and so it's the fastest spinning object. It looks like a football that has been kicked. That's due to the collision.

It can be associated with fertility,creativity,tranformation


This is what Philip Sedgwick wrote for preliminary keywords for Haumea:

Positive: Soulful confidence, an unshakeable personal inner knowing, creative, regenerative. Able to reconstruct, redefine, transform, especially regarding consciousness, willfulness and restoring rock solid integrity. Supportive. Fostering. Fertile. Creative.

Negative : Insecure and attention demanding. Dramatic. Egocentric. A bully disposition. Forces head-on collisions. Claims martyrdom and sacrifice to secure attention. Willing to attach to someone else’s momentum or allowing dependent sorts to attach to one’s efforts for self benefit (using non-paid volunteers, fans, devotees).

Mundane: Self awareness programs. Portraits and or caricatures. “Spin” as in political or media framing of events. Affinity or family bonds with those similar in nature. The Hula. The big island of Hawaii. Storm warnings to sailors in form or rainbow. Lava cooling in the sea to make land. Creation, fertility, childbirth and sisterhood. Verbal affirmations. Body sacrifice. Entourages. Groupies.

Ceremonial: Hulas, regeneration ceremonies, affirmations. Soul-based capitulation ceremonies (surrendering ego to spirit). Ceremonies in which a mask is removed (unmasking of the great Hopi kachina Saquasohuh).

Lunar bodies contributing to keywords: Hi’iaka, Namaka.


The Ascendant is viewed by cosmobiologists as relationships with others


" Also, how did you go about figuring 'Midpoint Picture combos"? Are they the mp's "most frequently activated within orb?"

no

the midpoint picture combos
are objects that aspect the same midpoints
which includes objects aspecting each other


for example:
I have Sun contraparallel Orcus - '01 - major life theme
Sun parallel Jupiter/Uranus - '01 - major life theme
Orcus contraparallel Jupiter/Uranus - '01
Sun parallel Moon/Venus - '03 - major life theme
Orcus contraparallel Moon/Venus - '03 - major life theme

I don't use no more than 30 minutes of arc for declination aspects that involve the dwarf planets,dwarf planet candidates

I use 1 degree orb for declination aspects involving just the regular stuff in Astrology.


For years, I thought that I could strongly relate to my Sun contraparallel Pluto with 42 minutes of arc since 1999.

Then after Orcus was discovered in 2004, I realized that my Sun contraparallel the Orcus with 1 minute of arc easily accounted for that. The aspect is very similar because Orcus is a plutino named after Pluto's Etruscan counterpart.
Orcus has additional themes of oaths,promises.

I adjusted my orbs to the recent astronomical discoveries, making room for them.

My Sun parallel Jupiter/Uranus reflects my highly progressive nature.

It can a good aspect for an astrologer too. http://astropost.blogspot.com/2009/02/jupiter-uranus-and-charts-of.html

Ebertin said that Jupiter/Uranus is "Thank the lord" configuration. He noticed that people with aspects to Jupiter/Uranus would say that after release of tension.
I usually say "Thank God' after releasing tension.

according to Robert Hand's HOROSCOPE SYMBOLS:
Jupiter/Uranus means the urge to break free of restraint, the drive for freedom. The need or desire for sudden changes of fortune, hence associated with sudden luck, either bad or good. Difficulties with restraints imposed by the law of other authorities.


according to Ruth Brummond's Rulebook:
SU.JU.UR.
+ keenly perceptive. intuitive. lively. brisk. future-oriented. resourceful. inventive. fair. quick to size up situations. original. interested in the unusual. unpredictable. eccentric. reformist. technically oriented. has rhythm. progressive.
Sudden good luck with or due to the husband. Sudden or unexpected benefits or income. Beneficial event with a person. Enjoyable events. Pleasant surprises. Unexpected justice. Surprise over the wealth of a man. Successful technician. Eventful day. Years of successful events. Survival instinct.
- impulsive. self-willed. easily upset. unsettled. rebellious.
Increasing physical tension or stress.


I also have Sun/Mercury conjunct Jupiter/Uranus with 3 minutes of arc.
Uranian astrologers refer to as "planetary picture",Magi astrologers refer to as "Magi Quad" http://www.jupitersweb.com/magi_quads_and_midpoint_crossing.htm

,and David Colchrane refers to as "Isoscles Trapezoid" http://cosmic.patterns.com/ArabicParts.htm


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posted April 24, 2010 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Let`s have a look:


Mars parallel Neptune/NN -01
Saturn contraparallel Sun/Neptune -02 major lifetheme
NN parallel Sun/Neptune - 04 major lifetheme
Sun parallel Mercury/NN -04 major lifetheme
Venus parallel Sun/Mercury - 06 major liftheme
ASC parallel Mars/NN -07 major lifetheme
Moon parallel Neptune/MC -07 major lifetheme

Uranus parallel Mars/MC -09
Saturn contra NN/ASC -13
Uranus parallel Neptune/MC -15
Mars parallel Neptune/ASC -15


other

Moon parallel Venus/Sedna -00 major lifetheme
Moon parallel Pholus / Sedna -01 major lifetheme

Ceres parallel Venus/Quaoar -01
MC contra Jupiter/Varuna -01 major lifetheme
Sedna parallel Jupiter/Varuna -01
Orcus contra Mars/MC -01 major lifetheme
Moon contra Hamea/MC -02 major lifetheme

Ceres paralell Pholus/Quaoar -02
Ceres parallel Sun/Moon -03 major liftheme
Sedna parallel Neptune/Haumea -03
Pluto contra ASC/MC -03 major lifetheme
Varuna contra Neptune/Ixion -05
Ixion parallel Moon/Sedna -05
MC parallel Neptune/Haumea -05
Uranus parallel Mercury/Sedna-05
Haumea contra Venus/Pholus -06
Ixion parallel Neptune / Pluto -07
Neptune parallel Sun/Ceres -07
Ceres contra Saturn/Varuna-07
Neptune contra Makemake / Sedna -07
Varuna contra Moon/Eris -01 major lifetheme
Moon parallel Jupiter/Eris -03 major lifetheme

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posted April 24, 2010 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
DD,

That's cool that you included the centaurs.

I have a Moon=Neptune/MC configuration like you, but mine is in the other equatorial coordinate - Right Ascension.

Your Moon parallel Venus/Sedna seems to want a love that is not ordinary. I like that aspect. It's beautiful.

Your Pluto = Ascendant/Midheaven and Ceres = Sun/Moon are very interesting too.


I can't find a free program online that does Right Ascension midpoints.
Solar Fire does, but it doesn't do transneptunian,centaur,asteroid midpoints unless they are Sedna,Eris, the 4 major asteroids, and Hygeia.


I am going to start a thread on conjunction,opposition midpoint to midpoint configurations
an orb of 30 minutes of arc for those.
That's excluding the minor objects including Pluto.
an orb of 15 minutes of arc and involving the Sun,Moon,Mercury,Midheaven could indicate a strong life theme.

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posted April 24, 2010 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Raymond,

I was actually thinking about the Moon=Venus/Sedna midpoint. It seemed significant as it is exact and including very female energies. I just wasn´t sure what it means.
Wasn´t Sedna an indication for being "victimized" or do I mis-remember something?

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posted April 24, 2010 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"I was actually thinking about the Moon=Venus/Sedna midpoint. It seemed significant as it is exact and including very female energies. I just wasn´t sure what it means.
Wasn´t Sedna an indication for being "victimized" or do I mis-remember something?"

yeah...victimization,betrayal,abuse

but it has positives too

just like any other object


according to Philip Sedgwick:


Positive - a forgiving disposition, discernment, clarity of perception, recognition of free will and choice, responsible, conscious of consequence, far thinking, dharma-oriented, does the homework of life

Negative - victimization, abuse, being deceived, history of betrayal, bitterness, “gold digging” attitude in relationship, transfers blame to others, numbs out, goes unconscious

Mundane - blubber, products made from sea mammals, whaling, diving bells that go into the dark of the sea, emotional healing, forgiveness, sorrow, engagement, masks, flight of the birds

Ceremonial - cleansing in the sea, propitiation to the sea, sea creatures, use of sea creature talismans (walrus tusk carvings, scrimshaw), ceremony with masks of sea creatures, ceremonial masks in general

Roy MacKinnon who has Sun conjunct Sedna wrote the following keywords for Sedna:

Victim, sacrifice sometimes unavoidable: transformation of victimhood – losses, possibly emotional, in mundane house where Sedna is, particularly if afflicted: inevitable fate – destiny: not of this world – worlds in collision – not of this culture, not of this time: uncovering that which is hidden, remote, unseen: concealed and acting unseen in an inky blackness: search for new knowledge in an alien world: issues around preservation of that which is untouched, essential, numinous: purposeful activity fuelled by a burning inner spiritual drive not of the personality: superconscious perception which incorporates a multi-dimensional mystical universe: far-sighted intelligence: misperception of reality – delusional, self-deception: release of soul to the world of spirit in the process of dying: psychic/mediumistic – this world connected to the other: the suffering of the unloved, outcast, sick, homeless, limbless: Noah's ark – preservation of what would otherwise become extinct: buried alive – entombed: Thy Will, not my will: essence not personality: preservation of nature and ecosystems: receptive to a spiritual calling from afar: the power of water: in this world but not of it.

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