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Lioness
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posted April 17, 2010 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message
Do you believe in this? Is this true. I recently saw a website on this and it just fit me.. Even though I am out of the age group. Maybe a Scout??? IDK
Heres some links.. What do you think could this be possible???????
http://www.newdawnastrology.com.au/the_new_children.php


have examined the charts of many of these children and find a number of common astrological themes:

1. Uranus and or Neptune in strong aspect to Sun and/or Moon, the Angles and/or the Nodes. Those who are particularly brilliant and gifted seem to have strong contacts with the Nodes, indicating the development of higher consciousness in prior lifetimes and other dimensions.

2. There is often a marked focus of personal planets with at least one outer planet in one sign, indicating a strength and focus in that area of life. Some babies born in the past couple of years are showing stelliums in Aquarius and Pisces, activated by Uranus and Neptune in those 2 signs.

3. Mars is very often in an air sign and/or in strong aspect to Mercury, stimulating and energizing the mental body and urging them to speak out.

4. Leo and Aquarius are usually prominent in the chart. These 2 signs can indicate gifted intelligence and talents, being independent and different. They also carry the light.


Your opinions please....

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posted April 17, 2010 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
I have Sun at 8 Cancer opposition my Moon/Neptune at 8 Capricorn.

I'm smarter than alot of people I meet. But that Could be my Mercury in Gemini falling in my Gemini 9th House. (Ruler of the 9th house in the 9th house)

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Lioness
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posted April 17, 2010 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message


Not sure if you can see the chart or not

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Lioness
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posted April 17, 2010 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message
Can you see my chart??? I cant see it

Well Just in case you can't
5th house
Mercury 14 Leo
Moon 15 Leo
Sun 16 Leo
Mars 26 Leo
sextile my Uranus in the 7th at 15Lib
leo plantes trine my Neptune at 2 Sag (8th house)
leo planets trine Jupiter at 28 Sag (9th house)
Uranus Sextile Neptune and Jupiter.
Jupitiper sits near my 0Cap MC
Pluto in the 6/7th cusp at 0Libra. So personal planets also sextile pluto.

Neptune conj jupiter? (not sure same sign,but different house) Neptune 8th Jupiter 9th.

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posted April 17, 2010 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
shrugs

I think probably everybody here can relate to the Indigo,Crystal stuff in some way. I certainly can.
I probably related more to the crystal stuff as a very young child.....then after special education therapies, I became more Indigo-like.

I think that it's just New Age propaganda to explain the increasing diagnoses of Autistic Spectrum and ADHD and other neurological/learning differneces

I think that it's due to more awareness of them and broader diagnostic criteria. Many have been misdiagnosed as retarded or mistook for being stupid and or lazy. They are often mistaken for having psychological problems. Back in the old days, psychological problems and parenting problems were blamed for people that had neurodivergence. Many with milder form of neurodivergent problems slip through the cracks. It's the ones with the severe form of neurodivergent issues that qualify for special education services and get early intervention therapies. Autism used to be thought as a type of schizophrenia too. Some autistic adults had history of being diagnosed as having schizophrenia or mental retardation.

I think it's a New Age term for people with neurological/learning differences which I believe are not disorders but social constructs based on what majority thinks is normal as well as the inadequate school education systems based on factory working types.

After reading Doreen Virtue's book,CARE AND FEEDING OF THE INDIGO CHILDREN, I was convinced that Indigo,Crystal were New Age terms for neurodivergence. I wrote a critique about it in my blogs.
http://people.tribe.net/4b0cf8c4-1fc3-4171-92d3-b0915985bf95/blog/cfba5f e9-246d-4845-aee1-23890b5ad04a
http://www.faceboo k.com/note.php?created&&suggest¬e_id=113653661997262#!/notes/raymond-n-andrews/indigo-new-age-label-for-neurodivergents/113653661997262

I gave a critique on the book with 2 stars out of 5 stars on amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/Care-Feeding-Indigo-Children/product-reviews/1561708461/ref=cm_cr_dp_synop?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#R94T8OEMWK6TO


People that fit dual exceptionalities probably fit that type. That's when a person is both Gifted and Disabled. Many people with Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,Autistic Spectrum,Dyscalculia,Tourette Syndrome,and other related neurological/learning differences fit the dual exceptional criteria. There are strengths that are connected to them too. Their strengths and weaknesses tend to be strongly connected. The symptoms/traits of the neurodivergent conditions overlap with each other. It's the norm for a neurodivergent person to have more than one neurodivergent condition. This suggests that its all part of a type of neurodivergent spectrum. One of the problems is that these symptoms/traits overlap with bipolar and schizophrenia.

Of course, a neurodivergent person wouldn't want to talk about metaphysical experiences with a psychiatrist.

but not all schizophrenia is about hallucinations. There is a disorganized type of schizophrenia. Memory problems,disorganization,poor coordination/motor skills,speech problems,hypersensitivity,poor social skills are also signs of schizophrenia.

At least of half of schizophrenics have a istory of developmental delays like speech/language and/or coordination/motor skills.


I believe that not only the outerplanets are involved, but the transneptunians too. After all, they are more outer than Uranus and Neptune. They are the real nonconformists and "out there" That even includes Pluto whose nonconformist,otherworldly nature is overlooked because of modern western astrologers assigned rulership to Scorpio. However, Pluto rules Pisces in Esoteric Astrology.


ADHD was first recognized in adults in 1977 which was also the same year that Chiron was discovered. It was also the same year that I was misplaced with the mentally retarded in a special education class in 1st grade. That happened during the Chiron-Sedna conjunction in Taurus that opposed my Sun. In 1978, Charon was discovered. Pluto and Chiron are actually a binary dwarf planet system. That was also the year, that I was in a more appropriate special education class after being identified as having above average intelligence.


DRD4 7R gene is also associated with ADHD and novelty seeking, but it's nothing new. It's dated back between 10,000 and 40,000 years ago. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/01/020109074512.htm

People throughout history have shown Indigo,Crystal traits.


I also believe that we need to differentiate genetic neurodivergence from acquired neurodivergence. They are not the same.

I wish that astrologer had left some birthdata so I can check out those charts myself from another angle.


I do believe in the Indigo,Crystal concept. I just don't believe that it applies to a certain type of generation.

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cherle
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posted April 17, 2010 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cherle     Edit/Delete Message
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I do believe in the Indigo,Crystal concept. I just don't believe that it applies to a certain type of generation.

Yeah, that pretty much sums up my feelings. I think limiting it to one or two generations makes it an absurd idea, as there's too many older people who are a prefect fit for being an indigo/crystal person.

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posted April 17, 2010 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
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indicating the development of higher consciousness in prior lifetimes and other dimensions.

This is astrologically true for anyone who has prominent outer planets.

I think the crystal children concept is kinda b.s. in and of itself. BUT i think the more time that passes the generations react to the previous and set new standards, and by that token are a bit more "advanced". Aquarius and Pisces related to Uranus and Neptune for the children makes a bit of sense since they're last in line. So i guess the line stops when Uranus enters aries.

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posted April 17, 2010 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"higher consciousness in prior lifetimes and other dimensions.

This is astrologically true for anyone who has prominent outer planets.

I think the crystal children concept is kinda b.s. in and of itself. BUT i think the more time that passes the generations react to the previous and set new standards, and by that token are a bit more "advanced". Aquarius and Pisces related to Uranus and Neptune for the children makes a bit of sense since they're last in line. So i guess the line stops when Uranus enters aries."


I can't really say that it's B.S.

I have actually started becoming believer in Doreen Virtue's stuff back around the end of last year after getting reading from an angel reader.

I had met her at co-op natural foods store, and I decided to get a reading from her.

She told me that my main life purpose was to help the Indigo,Crystal children, showing me the Metatron:Indigo,Crystal children card.
I was skeptical of that because I had already told her about my neurodiversity advocacy.

She randomly drew 3 cards from her Archangel Deck, and the Metatron: Indigo,Crystal children card turned out to be the middle card. I stopped being skeptical after that.

She also told me that I am a lightworker,Earth Angel,and Incarnated Angel. She told me that's why I always felt so different. Shrugs...I always thought it was because of my special education past and neurodivergence.

She told me the angels advised me to work with crystals,stones.


I was so fascinated by her reading that I ended up ordering the Angel cards myself.

The day that I got the first 2 of the 3 decks, I started using the cards. I took cards out of the Archangel deck first. I was picking out 3 cards out of each deck in regards to major life themes.

The very first card that I picked was
The Metatron: Indigo,Crystal children card!
I was blown away and actually kinda scared. I was freaked by these cards that seem to work uncannily.


After her reading, my mind kept dwelling on if I should give up meat and be a vegetarian so my energies work well with the indigo,crystal children whose diets tend to be vegetarian,vegan.

The finally the day before New Year's Eve, I decided to consult my Angel Therapy deck which has the Vegetarian/Vegan card. I shuffled the 44 cards, and 1 card fell out of the deck
It was the Vegetarian/Vegan card!

I thought that I definitely had a direct answer. I haven't eaten meat since. I am lacto ovo vegetarian.
Man...I was like "damn" moving away after I saw that card!


On New Year's Day, I picked out cards from the 3 decks for my main theme for the year.

Out of the Archangel deck which I used first, I ended up picking out the Metatron:Indigo,Crystal Children card.

That card just kept coming up,and it kept confirming what I am supposed to do.


I had already planned to form a nonprofit neurodiversity organization,but I was going to create it in 2014.

After 4 Sundays of the 4th Agreements lectures at the interfaith unity church that I am a member of and reading the book along with it, I decided that I'd form the nonprofit organization this year.

My current Solar Return with Sun trine Moon reinforcing my natal Sun trine Moon with Lunar Return on same day as my Solar Return,Venus trine Jupiter,and Eris trine Midheaven reinforcing natal my Eris sextile Midheaven really seemed like a great Solar Return to start the nonprofit.

I had decided to form it on June 3, 2010. The was a Sun conjunct/oppose Geocentric,Heliocentric Uranus Nodes on that day. However, it doesn't work out that way. Those things tend to be out of our hands.

I ended up applying for my nonprofit corporation at legalzoom the day after I was a speaker at a Autistic Spectrum and Special Needs Mini-Conference which was presented by my future vice president and secretary of my nonprofit organization.

On March 30th, the Secretary of State approved my application. Therefore, my nonprofit organization is now active since it my Articles of Incorporation were filed on March 16th. There was a Sun-Mercury-Uranus conjunction in Pisces on that day.


I chose the name, Developmental Neurodiversity Association because I wanted my nonprofit organization to be patterned after Developmental Adult Neurodiversity Association (DANDA) in the UK,but wanted it to be for all ages. Acronym,DNA suggests that the neurodivergent conditions are genetic.


I purposely chose the Metatron cube as part of my logo.
Doreen Virtue said that Metatron is the Archangel that helps the Indigo,Crystal children.

I created the idea of the Metatron cube overlayed on the brain to represent the complexity of the neurodivergent mind and hint at the Indigo,Children concept.

I came up with the idea of the Metatron cube as my version of the neurodiversity diagram with the 6 outside circles,points representing the 6 neurodivergent conditions that DANDA represents.

The 6 points,outside circles represent the 6 neurodivergent conditions that are going to be included for Developmental Neurodiversity Association (DNA) to advocate for. These are based on Developmental Adult Neuro-Diversity Association (DANDA).


The top left - Dyslexia
The top center - Dyscalculia
The top right - Dyspraxia
The bottom left - Autistic Spectrum
The bottom center - Tourette's Syndrome
The bottom right - AD/HD

like the diagram for DANDA's The Make-up of Neuro-Diversity http://www.danda.org.uk/media/General/Neuro-diversity%20diagram.pdf

The DNA logo http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/Astynaz/tn.jpg


The first 3 Objectives of DNA
1. To help people with Developmental dyspraxia, dyslexia,ADHD, Asperger's Syndrome and related conditions reach their full potential by providing and improving emotional and practical support, particularly for those conditions for which there has been less provision such as dyspraxia.

2. To raise awareness and understanding of these conditions,particularly their assessment, their effects, their treatment and the inter-relationship between the different conditions

3. To establish networks of groups to help people with these conditions get involved in activities for interaction, mutual support, and education, provided that the activities shall be charitable.

are the 3 Objectives for DANDA

and I added 3 more

4. To push for psychiatric reform that
includes psychiatrists to have their patients do neurological and psychological
testing and not just go by what they observe to differentiate neurodivergence from psychiatric disorders like schizophrenia,bipolar. It would help prevent psychiatric misdiagnoses and unnecessary medicating.

5. To push for education reform that includes multisensory teaching methods as primary teaching in schools to cut down on learning problems in school. It would help decrease unnecessary learning disability diagnoses,the drop-out rate, and misplacement of neurodivergent children in special education classes for the intellectually handicapped.

6. To educate about natural and chemical-free ways to feed and raise neurodivergent children. It would include raising awareness of alternative treatments,remedies that can be used in place of psychiatric medications.

The last objective actually comes from the Doreen Virtue Metatron: Indigo,Crystal children card page in the booklet.


My intention is actually helping people that fit the Indigo,Crystal personality profiles which I believe are actually genetic neurodivergence which tends to be the Dual Exceptional.


Running a nonprofit organization is a lot of work, but I feel that I have to do this. I believe that this was always my life purpose all along. I want to focus on the 4 Agreements and Law of Attraction to get me to where I desire to go. Law of Attraction was the card that I picked out of my Angel Therapy deck as the main theme for the year.

I still have to file for federal tax exemption and state tax exemption so DNA won't be taxed for any income received. I am also using my money to fund the organization. I already opened up an account for DNA. The banker who opened up my account happened to have a fiancee who works as an occupational therapist for special needs people. He even asked to keep my neurodiversity meetup card. I thought that was a synchronicity.

I am going to use the Mercury retrograde period in my 9th house to go over my plans for DNA.


The DNA website will be up on June 3rd with Jupiter in 29'40 Pisces and Uranus in 0'11 Aries conjunct the Aries Point.

As Uranus progresses in Aries, I will be working on building up DNA.

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Raymond

Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

A Different Mind Is Not A Deficient Mind.
http://people.tribe.net/4b0cf8c4-1fc3-4171-92d3-b0915985bf95/blog

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Lioness
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posted April 17, 2010 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message
I agree that these "children" are not generational, What most of the links say is that in these generations there has been a large amount of kids born under the specific generations. I have read that others of been born for centuries, but in smaller amounts, they are considered the scouts....

I cant say I am but when I read the indicators of an indigo child it describe me to a T...

Look at how many Leo planets I have, one would think with all that leo, I would be outgoing,fun, exciting, always on the go..etc etc..

Only Im not I prefer to be at home,I hate being out in public, I dont like small talk or having acquaintances. I hate standing in lines or being with large crowds of people. When I am around alot of people. I shut down and go into a corner and just watch.

People say Im boring. I only want real friends for life....that I can share and give/get support from.

IDK I have always felt I dont belong anywhere! Not in School, Not at Work, Not at a Party, Not at a Bar.... I just cant find my "thing" where I fit in.....
Except at home.... Home is where I can be with no judgment!!!

@Glaucus.... Since your helping.. Do I fit are am I just seeing other things.....
Ive been lost forever! Looking for me, but I can't seem to find me..

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Lioness
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posted April 17, 2010 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message
Here is a link about birth charts for Indigo Children.
http://www.maryenglish.co.uk/indigo1.htm

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posted April 17, 2010 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
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Look at how many Leo planets I have, one would think with all that leo, I would be outgoing,fun, exciting, always on the go..etc etc..

Only Im not I prefer to be at home,I hate being out in public, I dont like small talk or having acquaintances. I hate standing in lines or being with large crowds of people. When I am around alot of people. I shut down and go into a corner and just watch.


The traits you mention here are common with people who have strong Fire in their charts.
It's the opposite of what you'd expect.

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Glaucus
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posted April 17, 2010 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
" Here is a link about birth charts for Indigo Children. http://www.maryenglish.co.uk/indigo1.htm

Yeah...I checked those charts before. I did them at Maurice Fernandez Evolutionary Astrology Forum. I will go check them again.

"@Glaucus.... Since your helping.. Do I fit are am I just seeing other things.....
Ive been lost forever! Looking for me, but I can't seem to find me.."

May I see your chart? I want to check to see how strong the transneptunian dwarf planets,dwarf planet candidates are strong in your chart. The nodes of them are even more significant because they are are about the collective energy of that object. When personal planets,angles aspect those nodes then they have strong connection to the collective energy of that object.

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posted April 17, 2010 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message
I keep trying to post it but I cant seem to do it right.. LOL.. Here go to this link
http://www.sasstrology.net/photo/my-natal?context=user

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posted April 18, 2010 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

Lioness,

There is no birthdata so I cannot do your chart with my Solar Fire

but just looking at your chart , you're strong in transneptunian energy

Pluto is a transneptunian dwarf planet, and you have yours oppose your Ascendant/Descendant axis and square your Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis. Both aspects are under 1 degree. Those indicate major themes that you can't ignore.

the themes of transformation,regeneration,intensity,elimination,catharsis,death,penetrating the

as a transneptunian dwarf planet, it is involved in evolutionary intensified lessons and experiences.
Evolutionary suggests that emotional and spiritual crisis induced by the presence and passage of these bodies intends to enhance the insight, inspiration, creativity and consciousness of a person on Earth and through events on Earth containing these bodies in significant locations.


Pluto's orbit is very eccentric compared to the regular planets, and so you have a nonconformist nature

with it being an object whose average distance is greater than Neptune's (planet of dissolution of boundaries,mysticism, associated with extreme sensitivity), it is also an object associated with highly subtle realms of existence,"the other side", the unknown,extreme sensitivity to subtleties.

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Raymond

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posted April 18, 2010 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message
Oh Im sorry here is my bday info

August 8 ,1972 9:40pm Owensboro, KY

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he themes of transformation,regeneration,intensity,elimination,catharsis,death,penetrating the
How do I do this????????????????????????

as a transneptunian dwarf planet, it is involved in evolutionary intensified lessons and experiences.
Evolutionary suggests that emotional and spiritual crisis induced by the presence and passage of these bodies intends to enhance the insight, inspiration, creativity and consciousness of a person on Earth and through events on Earth containing these bodies in significant locations.

I dont understand this... Sorry

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posted April 18, 2010 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I checked all 4 of those charts,
and they all have strong transneptunian energy.

I only looked at the named transneptunian dwarf planets, dwarf planet candidates

that include Eris,Pluto,Makemake,Haumea,Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,Ixion

Eris,Pluto,Makemake,Haumea are Transneptunian Dwarf Planets aka Plutoids
the rest are Plutoid candidates (they meet the criteria for Plutoid,but they are not classed yet)

Pluto,Orcus,and Ixion are plutinos for they have 3:2 orbital resonance with Neptune. They are all named after underworld characters. They are astronomically and astrologically similar to each other.

Sedna has greatest average distance by far of all the objects. Hence, it's the coldest object. That's why the astronomers named it after the Inuit Sea/Ocean Goddess that lived at the bottom of the frigid Arctic Ocean. She also ruled the Underworld Adlivun which was located at the bottom. Sedna is like a combination of Neptune and Pluto,but far more otherworldly and remote.

looking at
the regular chart which is ecliptic longitude
Declination which is equatorial latitude
Right Ascension which is equatorial longitude

Astronomers located objects by Declination and Right Right Ascension unlike Astrologers that look at objects in ecliptic longitude.

all 3 coordinates are valid. No one coordinate is more valid than others.


I use relatively smaller orbs compared to the regular planets

just looking at the Ptolemaic aspects
conjunction,opposition,square,trine - 3 degrees
sextile - 2 degrees

if the transneptunian objects aspect the Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis or Ascendant/Midheaven Coeli axis, then 3 degree orb for sextile to Midheaven or Ascendant is permissible because it's a trine to the Imum Coeli or Descendant.


conjunctions,oppositions,squares,trines within 1 degree are strong themes can't be ignored

sextiles within half a degree are strong themes can't be ignored


parallels,contraparallels - 1/2 degree

parallels,contraparallels within 10 minutes of arc are strong themes that can't be ignored


when it comes to the geocentric,heliocentric nodes of the transneptunians

only look at ptolemaic aspects
within 1 degree orb

if they are within 15 minutes of arc,they are strong themes that can't ignored

I didn't look at their nodal aspects. I have to look at those with Jonathan Dunn's Ephemeris page.


I mainly looked at the personal planets,points
Sun,Moon,Ascendant/Descendant,Midheaven/Imum Coeli

I also looked at Mercury because it is the planet of mental processes.

I will go over their charts tomorrow.

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Raymond

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A Different Mind Is Not A Deficient Mind.

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posted April 18, 2010 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I checked all 4 of those charts,
and they all have strong transneptunian energy.

I only looked at the named transneptunian dwarf planets, dwarf planet candidates

that include Eris,Pluto,Makemake,Haumea,Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,Ixion

Eris,Pluto,Makemake,Haumea are Transneptunian Dwarf Planets aka Plutoids
the rest are Plutoid candidates (they meet the criteria for Plutoid,but they are not classed yet)

Pluto,Orcus,and Ixion are plutinos for they have 3:2 orbital resonance with Neptune. They are all named after underworld characters. They are astronomically and astrologically similar to each other.

Sedna has greatest average distance by far of all the objects. Hence, it's the coldest object. That's why the astronomers named it after the Inuit Sea/Ocean Goddess that lived at the bottom of the frigid Arctic Ocean. She also ruled the Underworld Adlivun which was located at the bottom. Sedna is like a combination of Neptune and Pluto,but far more otherworldly and remote.

looking at
the regular chart which is ecliptic longitude
Declination which is equatorial latitude
Right Ascension which is equatorial longitude

Astronomers located objects by Declination and Right Right Ascension unlike Astrologers that look at objects in ecliptic longitude.

all 3 coordinates are valid. No one coordinate is more valid than others.


I use relatively smaller orbs compared to the regular planets

just looking at the Ptolemaic aspects
conjunction,opposition,square,trine - 3 degrees
sextile - 2 degrees

if the transneptunian objects aspect the Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis or Ascendant/Midheaven Coeli axis, then 3 degree orb for sextile to Midheaven or Ascendant is permissible because it's a trine to the Imum Coeli or Descendant.


conjunctions,oppositions,squares,trines within 1 degree are strong themes can't be ignored

sextiles within half a degree are strong themes can't be ignored


parallels,contraparallels - 1/2 degree

parallels,contraparallels within 10 minutes of arc are strong themes that can't be ignored


when it comes to the geocentric,heliocentric nodes of the transneptunians

only look at ptolemaic aspects
within 1 degree orb

if they are within 15 minutes of arc,they are strong themes that can't ignored

I didn't look at their nodal aspects. I have to look at those with Jonathan Dunn's Ephemeris page.


I mainly looked at the personal planets,points
Sun,Moon,Ascendant/Descendant,Midheaven/Imum Coeli

I also looked at Mercury because it is the planet of mental processes.

I will go over their charts tomorrow.

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Raymond

Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

A Different Mind Is Not A Deficient Mind.

http://people.tribe.net/4b0cf8c4-1fc3-4171-92d3-b0915985bf95/blog

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posted April 18, 2010 12:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you for your help. I really appreciate it..

Only please keep in mind, I'm extremely new to astrology, SO I dont understand anything about the information you posted above.

If you get a chance to look at my info can you explain it to me in layman's terms... PLEAZZZZEEEEEEEEE

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"as a transneptunian dwarf planet, it is involved in evolutionary intensified lessons and experiences.
Evolutionary suggests that emotional and spiritual crisis induced by the presence and passage of these bodies intends to enhance the insight, inspiration, creativity and consciousness of a person on Earth and through events on Earth containing these bodies in significant locations.":

It means that this energy involves lessons,experiences that can really make or break you. The hard aspects tend to indicate the possibility of experiencing some type of trauma which may be trying to the spirit but can eventually help you to grow spiritually. What doesn't kill you can make you stronger is something that can be applied the transneptunian dwarf planets,transneptunian dwarf planet candidates.
It's a highly metaphysical energy that involves insight,inspiration,and creativity that should be use not just for your benefit but for the benefit of others. These energies are about about going well beyond yourself and tapping into that mass consciousness.
There is a potential to really make a mark on the world and effect people on a grand scale

This especially goes for the heliocentric,geocentric nodes of these objects. They move much slower than the objects themselves, and so they are associated with many generations compared to the objects.


Lioness,

You're chart shows more strength in transneptunian dwarf planet energy

Makemake in 15'56 Leo
conjunct Moon in 15'09 Leo
conjunct Sun in 16'36 Leo
conjunct Mercury in 14'23 Leo


Therefore you have Moon conjunct Makemake with 46 minutes of arc and Sun conjunct Makemake with 41 minutes of arc. Both aspects are within the 1 degree orb which suggests that these are major themes that you can't ignore. You have Mercury conjunct Makemake with 1'32 orb.

Makemake strongly modifies your Leo Planets.

these themes include include the evolutionary lessons,experiences
highly metaphysically oriented that includes ability to be insightful,inspirational,and creative that should be used not just for your benefit but for the benefit of others that involve your emotional nature,feelings,females (Moon), ego,self expession,males (Sun), and thinking,communications (Mercury)

Makemake is named after Easter Island's Rapanui Fertility Creation God. It can be associated with fertility,creativity. Its Heliocentric Node is in Gemini,and so it can be involved in communications. Its Perihelion (the closest point of an objects to the Sun) is in Aries,and so it can be about competitiveness. The Rapanui had a Birdman competition which involved carrying an egg without breaking. It was a competition related to Makemake.
Rapanui were Polynesian people.

here is some more info on Makemake: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makemake_%28dwarf_planet%29


Eris in 13'12 Aries
trine Mercury in 14'23 Leo
trine Moon in 15'09 Leo

Therefore you have Mercury trine Eris with 1'11 orb and Sun trine Eris with 1'57 orb

these themes include the evolutionary lessons,experiences
highly metaphysically oriented that includes ability to be insightful,inspirational,and creative that should be used not just for your benefit but for the benefit of others that involve your thinking,communications (Mercury) and emotional nature,feelings,females (Moon)

Eris is named after the Greek Goddess of Discord. It can be associated with diversity,equality,discord,controversy. Eris is the largest of the transneptunian objects. Because it was larger than Pluto, astronomers argued that Pluto wasn't a planet. The astronomers eventually demoted Pluto to dwarf planet and promoted Ceres to dwarf planet, making Pluto and Ceres equals. Ceres was once classed as a planet,and it was stripped of its planetary status because it was one of many objects called "asteroids". Now, Pluto gets the same treatment as Ceres because it is is one of my objects called "kuiper belt objects" Eris happens to have a Proserpina/Persephone-like orbit for half of its orbital period is far away from Pluto and the other half of is very close to Pluto. In mythology, Pluto/Hades and Ceres/Demeter shared Persephone for equal amount of time.

here is more info on Eris: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_%28dwarf_planet%29


You have Mercury parallel Varuna with 26 minutes of arc

these themes include the evolutionary lessons,experiences
highly metaphysically oriented that includes the ability to be insightful,inspirational,and creative that should be used not just for your benefit but for the benefit of others that involve your thinking,communications (Mercury)

Varuna is a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate named after Indian God of the Oceans who was once Ruler of the Deities. He is said to have judge the souls of the drowned. He was depicted as carrying a noose. Varuna is associated with judgment,justice,grandness,competence.

here is more info on Varuna: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20000_Varuna


Now I am checking the Nodes of the transneptunians


Geocentric North Haumea Node in 0'26 Leo
Heliocentric Haumea Nodes in 1'39 Leo
Ascendant/Descendant in 0'56 Aries/Libra

You have Geocentric North Haumea Node trine/sextile Ascendant/Descendant axis with half a degree and Heliocentric Haumea Nodes sextile Ascendant/Descendant with 43 minutes of arc.

these themes include the evolutionary lessons,experiences
highly metaphysically oriented that includes ability to be insightful,inspirational,and creative that should be used not just for your benefit but for the benefit of others that involve how you approach life,persona,interaction with others, relationships (Ascendant/Descendant)

Haumea is a transneptunian dwarf planet named after Hawaiian Fertility Creation Goddess. It can be associated with fertility,creativeness,
Haumea stands apart among the transneptunian objects because it appears to be mainly rock. Astronomers determine that chunks of ice was knocked off its body and form into its 2 moons and independently orbiting transneptunian objects. It was like the myth, Haumea with her children born from her body. Therefore, the astronomers chose a name that fit with the astronomical features of an object. That's what they have been doing with transneptunian objects.
Haumea is known to be the major object of a new class of objects call Haumeids. It is thought that another large kuiper belt object crashed into Haumea leading to pieces broken off from Haumea. That's why one of Philip Sedgwick's keywords is "head on collisions"
astronomically oriented astrologers take astronomical,orbital characteristics into account when determining astrological influences.
Haumea is very unique for it's the most rapidly spinning object in our solar system. What's amazing is that it has a 4 hour rotation, and the object is large. It looks like a football that has been kicked. Astronomers concluded that is from Haumea being subjected to a collision.

here is more info on Haumea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haumea_%28dwarf_planet%29


Overall You're a Highly Transneptunian Person just like me. It's no wonder that you can strongly relate to the Indigo,Crystal stuff.

Makemake,Eris,Haumea,and Varuna weren't discovered until after the beginning of the 21st Century. These objects still tend to be overlooked and neglected by mainstream astrologers. If they examined you by just looking at your chart in the regular way,they would miss out on a big part of you. I feel that this could symbolize the neglect, misunderstandings,and the oddball,being overlooked,"being excluded" feelings that transneptunian people often can relate to. This might be even the case with Plutonian people which are also transneptunian people. Pluto was classed as a planet when it was actually one of many transneptunian objects,kuiper belt objects. Pluto was originally thought to be large as our Earth from its discovery in 1930 to the discovery of its Moon,Charon in 1978. Therefore,astronomers realized that wasn't Planet X based on the hypothesis of Percival Lowell. Its mass couldn't cause the anomalies in the orbit of Uranus. Later on in early 1990's, Astronomers found out that the anomalies in the orbit of Uranus didn't exist but were based on measuring Neptune's mass wrong. Therefore there was no scientific basis for a Planet X. Pluto was actually found by chance. Pluto tends to orbit well off the ecliptic,and Pluto was on the ecliptic at the time of its discovery which allowed Clyde Tombaugh to discover it so easily. Makemake was just 2 degrees from the ecliptic at the time, but it was against the backdrop of the Milky Way. That made it extremely difficult to find Makemake. But yeah...even Plutonians could be misunderstand and feel neglected. They are nonconformists based on the highly eccentric orbit of Pluto.


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posted April 18, 2010 02:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message
Wow.. Thank you so much for all that info Your Awesome..

YESSS I have been through ALOT.... It has not broke my, its has definitely made me stronger!!! But at the same time has cause me to shut down from the world.... Home alone is my only safe place...

How do I be insightful,inspirational and creative to benefit others??? I wonder who is others??? Just people I know.. Or the world????

Why do I have all the lessons?? (ok I know u cant answer that) lolol

So now Im even more lost... lol.. What do I do?? OMG when will these lessons end????

I did a paid astrology interpretations. It also said Im suppose to heal people, from my past traumas.... IDK how to do this

Also, I have always left I was here for a reason.. So its the Transneptunian, that makes me feel that way....

So, you do see how the Indigo terms seem to relate to what I am feeling.


Have you ever met anyone with a chart like mine???? How did they do these things if I may ask????

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posted April 18, 2010 03:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
You could be a healer. You can get involved in the intuitive,healing arts whether it's massage or other bodywork,energy work, Astrology,Numerology,and other things. You can help and serve humanity in some way.

You can inspire through art,poetry,music,acting,dancing...any artistic,creative outlet.

advocating for the rights of others and
and trying to help raise awareness of certain things

I am highly transneptunian person. I already mentioned my neurodivergence which includes Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD and my special education past that including being misplaced with the mentally retarded. I also had a traumatic experience of when I was with my mom when she was shot when I was 3 years old. I also grew up not knowing my biological father just like my mom never knew her biological mother. I grew up in an abusive home with both my mother and stepfather abusing me. I was in the navy,and I had a hard time being there. I never felt normal at all. I knew that I wasn't normal since my special education days. Love,relationships never really worked out for me. I never married.

It took learning about Astrology in 1998 to understand a lot about myself. I had very little knowledge of myself. I lacked a clear sense of identity. It took learning about neurodivergent conditions in 2003, that I completely understood myself. It was New Year's Eve before the start of 2003, I found my biological father in Social Security Death Record Index. I found out that these neurodivergent traits run strong in my family. Both my parents had strong neurodivergent traits. From what my mom told, my father was the more extreme neurodivergent.

I grew up feeling misunderstood. After all, I was. whether it was being mistook for mentally retarded,stupid for my neurodivergence. I was misdiagnosed as bipolar with schizoaffective disorder because of my neurodivergent-related speech irregularities which they thought was part of a "slight thought disorder" in 1999,2002. I was mistook for being a homosexual because I didn't fit male stereotypes. A lot of it had to do with my voice. The coordination issues of my Dyspraxia make me speak in way that is high pitched,very softspoken as well as mildly dyarthric. I had intensive speech therapy in special education. My mother told me that my father had speech problems and that his voice was similar to mine. She even said that he was more softspoken than I was.

I also had issues with being multiracial,born from an interracial relationship. My racial identity was a mess. I didn't fit in a racial box, and people tried to force me in one. I hated filling out forms where I had to mark down one box for race. I was always confused with that.


I always thought that I was meant to do something special. That was the thing. I was meant to help people with special education needs. I had to stop running away,hiding from my special education past and confront it,and stop being ashamed of it to realize my life purpose.


I also never felt comfortable with organized religion even though I believed in God most of my life. It was only until the end of May of last year, I became a member of a church. It's an interfaith unity church. I loved reading mythology,fairy tales,and Arthurian Legends,knights as a kid. I also enjoyed reading about pioneers,explorers,inventors too. I also liked reading about other countries including especially The United Kingdom. I loved creative writing when it came to short stories,poetry.

That's pretty much it.

Now I am trying to make a big positive difference in many people's lives by running a nonprofit neurodiversity organization that I recently formed.

I hope that Developmental Neurodiversity Association outlives me by centuries and even millenniums.

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posted April 18, 2010 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message
Im really impressed with you. Your AWESOME!!!
I am glad to hear all the good you are doing. You have a passion for your work because of your experiences.. You will do WELLL... I jus know it!!

Oddly even though, I have most of my planets in the 5th house of creativity. I am not an artistic type of person. I dont have any special talents. I can't draw,or paint, dance.. ETC. Even though sometimes I have a desire to do these things, only my stick people look funny.. lololololol

When I was little I use to draw eyes.. IDK why I just did. I would draw and color them. The eye fascinated me.

My creativity my talents my "gift" so to speak lies in the ability to be a problem solver. When a problem comes up I go through all different type of solutions in my head. I can just kinda see the outcome. I can see where the solution would fail beforehand, so then I come up with another solution.. This is all done in my head I can visualize it. So I keep doing this until I can come up with a solution what will work the best.
I am a true problem solver.........

I did come to astrology for answers. I have been self teaching myself, only there's only so much I can teach my self.
I have looked into schools, but I cant seem to find one in my area. Plus money is an issue. Astrology really does interest me and intrigue me.

As for my past,,, blahhhh.. IMG I dont even think I can say everything.
I too never met my biological father. I did find him when I looked for him. (Hey it was a problem I had to solve) The first and only time I looked for him I found him within 2 hours, on the first phone number I called. All I had was his first and last name. I used in instincts to guide me.
I've always wanted to be a police detective solving problems, only I dont want to be in patrol, or I cant go away for training..
Plus Im a single mother and feared my safety, plus thought I would never be "home" with the kids.

I dont have a learning disability and was never diagnosed with one. My trauma has come from other people. This started at a very young age, and continued from person to person, in every area of my life. When ever I would go somewhere new it would happen again only with some one else..
This continued until I fought back.
Then I ended up in a physically/emotionally abusive man. That continued until I walked away. Walking away caused me to be homeless, with a 1 year old.. But I found the solution and worked it out. Once I

I was married for 12 years, only he was taken away by circumstances (venus with uranus or pluto in hard aspects????) but I guess these things work them selves out I cant say that either of us was truly happy, and I never gave him myself... I guess it was telling me its time to move on.
Plus this sent my on a path to find myself.

I wish I felt a passion about something as you do, so I could know which direction to turn.... I guess I have a problem to solve....... This one I have been working out for months, but I can't seem to come up with the solutions. Every option has too many downs, plus I just dont see it as "right"

I do feel its time to change everything. My Mc Cap wants me to run my own business, only IDK what or how....... LOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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posted April 18, 2010 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"Im really impressed with you. Your AWESOME!!!
I am glad to hear all the good you are doing. You have a passion for your work because of your experiences.. You will do WELLL... I jus know it!!"

Thank you.

"Oddly even though, I have most of my planets in the 5th house of creativity. I am not an artistic type of person. I dont have any special talents. I can't draw,or paint, dance.. ETC. Even though sometimes I have a desire to do these things, only my stick people look funny.. lololololol"

I really don't put much emphasis on house placements which are relative to the house system that is being used.

When I was little I use to draw eyes.. IDK why I just did. I would draw and color them. The eye fascinated me.

"My creativity my talents my "gift" so to speak lies in the ability to be a problem solver. When a problem comes up I go through all different type of solutions in my head. I can just kinda see the outcome. I can see where the solution would fail beforehand, so then I come up with another solution.. This is all done in my head I can visualize it. So I keep doing this until I can come up with a solution what will work the best.
I am a true problem solver........."

Same here. I am primarily a nonlinear,visual,intuitive,imaginative,picture thinker. I always think in pictures and visualize things in my mind's eye. I always visualize things before I do it and while I am doing it (like turning my mind's eye on myself). I can be strong as problem solver. I believe all of it is connected to my neurodivergence of Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD. Those are typical traits of neurodivergence. I actually believe that the strengths of my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD help me as an astrologer. Neurodivergent people have strengths and not just weaknesses that are connected to their neurological/learning differences. I believe that it only applies to people with genetic neurodivergence though.

"I did come to astrology for answers. I have been self teaching myself, only there's only so much I can teach my self.
I have looked into schools, but I cant seem to find one in my area. Plus money is an issue. Astrology really does interest me and intrigue me."

Schools don't work for me. I learn best when I am teaching myself and learning at my own pace. Astrology schools do cost a lot of money. I do have problems with calculating charts. I am very grateful to have astrological software to calculate the charts. If I didn't have that, I wouldn't be doing Astrology. My strength in Astrology is interpreting the charts and looking at things from multiple perspectives. When it comes to the latter, people that don't me well think that I am using my Virgo Ascendant in regards to getting a bunch of details. I am into looking at things from other other angles, getting other perspectives,and looking for strong themes. I want to get the overall big picture. I don't want to just focus on one thing or look at one side and come to a conclusion. A lot of things in Astrology are relative and even subjective. That's why there are so many astrological systems and methods with many astrologers disagreeing with.

""As for my past,,, blahhhh.. IMG I dont even think I can say everything.
I too never met my biological father. I did find him when I looked for him. (Hey it was a problem I had to solve) The first and only time I looked for him I found him within 2 hours, on the first phone number I called. All I had was his first and last name. I used in instincts to guide me.
I've always wanted to be a police detective solving problems, only I dont want to be in patrol, or I cant go away for training..
Plus Im a single mother and feared my safety, plus thought I would never be "home" with the kids."

Wow. That's awesome about how you found your father.

"I dont have a learning disability and was never diagnosed with one. My trauma has come from other people. This started at a very young age, and continued from person to person, in every area of my life. When ever I would go somewhere new it would happen again only with some one else..
This continued until I fought back.
Then I ended up in a physically/emotionally abusive man. That continued until I walked away. Walking away caused me to be homeless, with a 1 year old.. But I found the solution and worked it out. Once I"

Learning disabilities are really neurological/learning differences. People with learning differences have at least average intelligence. Many have above intelligence and can be gifted. Dual Exceptionality (concept of gifted and disabled) is common in people with neurological/learning differences. The mainstream education system is not made for people with neurologica/learning differences. The mainstream education system is mainly about auditory sequential lecture teaching and grading system based on factory workers. That was first implement in the 1790's by a teacher who didn't want to spend time with his students. Before he changed the school system, education was about student-mentor relationship. Teachers adapted to the students' learning styles. The students weren't forced to adapt to the teacher's teaching styles. There were no grades but pass or fail. Grades wasn't what people considered when hiring a person. It was the name of the teacher.
Most students actually have a visual learning style. Many neurodivergents tend to have that type of style. They might also be a kinesthetic/tactile learner too. I read this especially goes for ADHD. Visual learner is my primary learning style followed by kinesthetic/tactile, and last auditory. I just don't learn from lecture teaching at all. I have to read the stuff and look at pictures to understand a subject.
The education system has been messed up for a long time. The only people that should be in special education classes are the ones that have intellectually handicaps. People with neurological/ learning differences should not be in any type of special education class.

Many entrepreneurs had problems with school. Many of them with ADHD and/or Dyslexia.

I am very sorry about all the things that you went through, and I am glad that you're better now.

"I was married for 12 years, only he was taken away by circumstances (venus with uranus or pluto in hard aspects????) but I guess these things work them selves out I cant say that either of us was truly happy, and I never gave him myself... I guess it was telling me its time to move on.
Plus this sent my on a path to find myself."

Well.....you have Sun conjunct Moon which is a traditional relationship/marriage aspect. Transneptunian dwarf planet,Makemake is conjunct it. You also have Pluto oppose/conjunct your Ascendant/Descendant axis.

"I wish I felt a passion about something as you do, so I could know which direction to turn.... I guess I have a problem to solve....... This one I have been working out for months, but I can't seem to come up with the solutions. Every option has too many downs, plus I just dont see it as "right"

"I do feel its time to change everything. My Mc Cap wants me to run my own business, only IDK what or how....... LOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I don't think that it has anything to do with Capricorn Midheaven.

I think it's Pluto so closely square your Midheaven. That indicates somebody that might want to work for themselves because of being nonconformist. Remember that Pluto is a transneptunian object with a highly eccentric orbit. It's orbit is far more elliptical than the orbits of the regular planets. Many transneptunians have far more elliptical orbits than the regular planets. Transneptunians tend to orbit well off the ecliptic. That also makes them nonconformists.
Your Pluto strongly aspects the angles. Pluto square the Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis and oppose/conjunct the Ascendant/Descendant.
There is Makemake conjunct your Sun-Moon-Mercury conjunction.

You're very strong in transneptunian energy overall, and that can indicate a very nonconformist type that could have problems working for other people.


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posted April 18, 2010 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I want to point out the following strengths of neurodivergent conditions


Positive aspects of neurodivergence overall:

*Creativity
*Originality
*Determination

Positive aspects of dyslexia

* Creativity
* 3 dimensional thinking
* Seeing the 'whole picture'
* Pictorial thinking
* Divergent thinking
* Problem solving
* Making unexpected connections


Positive aspects of dyspraxia

* Creativity
* Determination
* Motivation
* Strategic thinking
* Problem-solving


Positive aspects of dyscalculia

* Creativity
* Strategic thinking
* Practical ability
* Love of words
* Intuitive thinking
* Problem-solving


Positive aspects of ADHD

* Ability to see the ‘big picture’
* Being creative and inventive
* Ability to focus intensely for a time
* High levels of energy
* Risk-taking can lead to discoveries
* Being intuitive


Positive aspects of Autistic Spectrum Disorder in. Asperger’s Syndrome

* Intense concentration on studying
* Independence
* An affinity with computers and other technology
* Good formal essay writing
* Attention to detail and precision
* Original ideas
* Reliable meeting of deadlines.
*Problem-solving
*Pictorial thinking


Positive aspects of Tourette Syndrome


*Excellent musical abilities.
*Memory capable of almost “total recall”.
*Excellent peripheral perception.
*Laser-like concentration.
http://www.brainhe.com/ http://www.danda.org.uk/pages/neuro-diversity.php

The following is from THE GIFT OF DYSLEXIA by Ronald D. Davis. He has Autism and Dyslexia. is the founder of Davis Dyslexia Association International. He worked as an engineer and artist.

page 4 - 5

Dyslexics don't all develop the same gifts, but they do have certain mental functions in common. Here are the basic abilities all dyslexics share:

1. They can utilize the brain's ability to alter and create perceptions (the primary ability)
2. They are highly aware of the environment.
3. They are more curious than average.
4. They think mainly in pictures instead of words.
5. They are highly intuitive and insightful.
6. They think and perceive multi-dimensionally (using all the senses)
7. They can experience thought as reality.
8. They have vivid imaginations.


These eight basic abilities, if not suppressed, invalidated or destroyed by parents or the educational process, will result in two characteristics: higher-than-normal intelligence, and extraordinary creative abilities. From these the true gift of dyslexia can emerge---the gift of mastery.

The gift of mastery develops in many ways and in many areas. For Albert Einstein, it was physics. For Walt Disney, it was art; for Greg Louganis, it was athletic prowess.

He was referring to neurodivergence in general.

page 7, he wrote:

Dyslexia was the first general term used to describe various learning problems. Eventually, these problems were subdivided and categorized to describe different learning disabilities. Because of this, we might call dyslexia the Mother of Learning Disabilities. By now, over seventy names are used to describe its various aspects.

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ADHD: Gifted & Creative

by Thom Hartmann

I was in India in 1993 to help manage a community for orphans and blind children on behalf of a German charity. During the monsoon season, the week of the big Hyderabad earthquake, I took an all-day train ride almost all the way across the subcontinent (from Bombay through Hyderabad to Rajamundri) to visit an obscure town near the Bay of Bengal. In the train compartment with me were several Indian businessmen and a physician, and we had plenty of time to talk as the countryside flew by from sunrise to sunset.

Curious about how they viewed our children diagnosed as having Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), I asked, "Are you familiar with those types of people who seem to crave stimulation, yet have a hard time staying with any one focus for a period of time? They may hop from career to career and sometimes even from relationship to relationship, never seeming to settle into one job or into a life with one person — but the whole time they remain incredibly creative and inventive."

"Ah, we know this type well," one of the men said, the other three nodding in agreement.

"What do you call this personality type?" I asked.

"Very holy," he said. "These are old souls, near the end of their karmic cycle."

Again, the other three nodded agreement, perhaps a bit more vigorously in response to my startled look.

"Old souls?" I questioned, thinking that a very odd description for those whom American psychiatrists have diagnosed as having a particular disorder.

"Yes," the physician said. "In our religion, we believe that the purpose of reincarnation is to eventually free oneself from worldly entanglement and desire. In each lifetime we experience certain lessons, until finally we are free of this earth and can merge into the oneness of God. When a soul is very close to the end of those thousands of incarnations, he must take a few lifetimes to do many, many things — to clean up the little threads left over from his previous lives."

"This is a man very close to becoming enlightened," a businessman added. "We have great respect for such individuals, although their lives may be difficult."

Another businessman raised a finger and interjected. "But it is through the difficulties of such lives that the soul is purified."

The others nodded agreement.

"In America they consider this behavior indicative of a psychiatric disorder," I said.

All three looked startled, then laughed.

"In America you consider our most holy men, our yogis and swamis, to be crazy people as well," said the physician with a touch of sadness in his voice. "So it is with different cultures. We live in different worlds."

We in our Western world have such "holy" and nearly enlightened people among us and we say they must be mad. But as we're about to see, they may instead be our most creative individuals, our most extraordinary thinkers, our most brilliant inventors and pioneers. The children among us whom our teachers and psychiatrists say are "disordered" may, in fact, carry a set of abilities — a skill set — that was necessary for the survival of humanity in the past, that has created much of what we treasure in our present "quality of life," and that will be critical to the survival of the human race in the future.

There is immense power in how we choose to view what's happening around us, and this is terrifically important when we consider how we can best know our children and provide them with the upbringing they need — an upbringing that will lead them to become healthy, happy, functioning adults. The premise of this book is that children who have what we have come to know as ADHD are important and vital gifts to our society and culture, and, in the largest sense, can be an extraordinary gift to the world. In addition, for those adults who have been similarly diagnosed or defined, this book offers a new way of understanding themselves and their relationship to the world — a way that brings insight, empowerment, and success.
GENETICS AND DIFFERENCES

The long history of the human race has conferred on us — some of us more than others — a set of predilections, temperaments, and abilities carried through the medium of our genetic makeup. These skills were ideally suited to life in the ever-changing world of our ancient ancestors and, we have now discovered, are also ideally suited to the quickly-changing modern world of cyberspace and widespread ecological and political crises that require rapid response. I will call this genetic gift the Edison gene, after Thomas Edison, who brought us electric lights and phonographs and movies and — literally ten thousand other inventions. He is the model for the sort of impact a well-nurtured child carrying this gene can have on the world.

While I'm principally referring to the DRD4 gene, the science of genetics is embryonic, with new discoveries being made every day. No doubt, some time soon we'll have a better, more complete list of specific genes that make up what Dave deBronkart first called the "Edison trait" back in 1992 and Lucy Jo Palladino expanded on considerably in 1997 in her wonderful book The Edison Trait. For the moment, however, I'll use the useful shorthand of the "Edison gene."

When Edison's schoolteacher threw him out of school in the third grade for being inattentive, fidgety, and "slow," his mother, Nancy Edison, the well-educated daughter of a Presbyterian minister, was deeply offended by the schoolmaster's characterization of her son. As a result, she pulled him out of the school. She became his teacher from then until the day he went off on his own to work for the railroads (inventing, in his first months of employment, a railroad timing and signaling device that was used for nearly a century). She believed in him and wasn't going to let the school thrash out of him his own belief in himself. As a result of that one mother's efforts, the world is a very different place.

"Ah, but we mustn't coddle these children!" some say. Consider this: Edison invented, at age sixteen, that device that revolutionized telegraph communication. It started him on a lifelong career of invention that led to the light bulb, the microphone, the motion picture, and the electrification of our cities. Would the world have been better off if he'd been disciplined into "behaving himself"?

The children and adults who carry this gene have and offer multiple gifts, both individually and as members of our society. Sometimes these gifts are unrecognized, misinterpreted, or even punished, and as a result, these exceptional children end up vilified, drugged, or shunted into Special Education. The result is that they often become reactive: sullen, angry, defiant, oppositional, and, in extreme cases, suicidal. Some Edison-gene adults face the same issues, carrying the wounds of school with them into adulthood, often finding themselves in jobs better adapted to stability than creativity.

What exactly defines those bearing this genetic makeup? Edison-gene children and adults are by nature:

* Enthusiastic
* Creative
* Disorganized
* Non-linear in their thinking (they leap to new conclusions or observations)
* Innovative
* Easily distracted (or, to put it differently, easily attracted to new stimuli)
* Capable of extraordinary hyperfocus
* Understanding of what it means to be an "outsider"
* Determined
* Eccentric
* Easily bored
* Impulsive
* Entrepreneurial
* Energetic

All of these qualities lead them to be natural:

* Explorers
* Inventors
* Discoverers
* Leaders

Those carrying this gene, however, often find themselves in environments where they're coerced, threatened, or shoehorned into a classroom or job that doesn't fit. When Edison-gene children aren't recognized for their gifts but instead are told that they're disordered, broken, or failures, a great emotional and spiritual wounding occurs. This wounding can bring about all sorts of problems for children, for the adults they grow into, and for our society.

I and many scientists, educators, physicians, and therapists believe that when these unique children don't succeed in public schools, it's often because of a disconnect between them — their brains are wired to make them brilliant inventors and entrepreneurs — and our schools, which are set up for children whose brains are wired to make them good workers in the structured environments of a factory or office cubicle.

Those children whom we call "normal" are more methodical, careful, and detail-oriented and are less likely to take risks. They often find it hard to keep it together and perform in the rapid-fire world of the Edison-gene child: They don't do as well with video games, couldn't handle working in an emergency room or on an ambulance crew, and seldom find themselves among the ranks of entrepreneurs, explorers, and salespeople.

Similarly, Edison-gene children have their own strengths and limitations: They don't do well in the school environment of repetition, auditory learning, and rote memorization that has been set up for "normal" kids, and they don't make very good bookkeepers or managers. Genetically these kids are pioneers, explorers, and adventurers. They make great innovators, and they find high levels of success in any field where there's a lot of change, constant challenge, and lots of activity. Such personalities are common among emergency room physicians, surgeons, fighter pilots, and salespeople.

There are many areas in which such people can excel — especially when they make it through childhood with their belief in themselves intact.
http://innerself.com/Parenting/hartmann_2135.htm


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Raymond

Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

A Different Mind Is Not A Deficient Mind.
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