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venus in gemini
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posted March 18, 2010 11:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
So all the threads on Solar Arcs prompted me to look at ours. If anyone who knows Solar Arcs could please take a look, and see if you think the indicators are valid? Or if it shows more in the Progressions? I'm not sure which one is more valid as an indicator. I only listed the conjunctions. I hate to admit how long it takes me to manually calculate aspects, and it wears me out. But I did notice that the Progressed Moons are in opposition. I thought I had read somewhere that could also be an indicator. I could have used more asteroids, but just stayed with Eros, Juno and Boda.

His Solar Arc to My Natal

His SA Sun/IC conjunct my Moon
His SA Vertex/Uranus conjunct my MC
His SA Venus conjunct my Juno
His SA Eros conjunct my Eros

My Solar Arc to his Natal

My SA Juno conjunct his Vertex
My SA ASC conjunct his Moon
My SA ASC/Eros conjunct his North Node
My SA Jupiter conjunct his Node

Solar Arc to Solar Arc

His SA Venus to my SA Venus
His SA North Node to my SA ASC
His SA Pluto to my SA Moon

My Progressed to his Natal

My pr ASC/Boda conjuncts his Moon/Juno
My pr Moon/Venus/Vertex conjunct his Sun/IC
My pr Mars conjunct his ASC
My pr North Node conjunct his Neptune
My pr Eros conjuncts his ASC

His Progressed to my Natal

His pr Sun conjunct my Moon/Mercury
His pr Moon conjunct my Boda
His pr Mercury conjunct my MC
His pr Mars conjunct my IC
His pr North Node conjunct my Neptune
His pr Neptune conjunct my North Node/Jupiter
His pr Pluto conjunct my Moon
His pr North Node conjunct my ASC
His pr Vertex conjunct my Neptune
His pr Eros conjunct my Boda
His pr Boda conjunct my Moon

Progressed to Progressed

My pr Moon opposite his Pr Moon
My pr ASC conjunct his pr Eros
My pr MC conjunct his pr Saturn
My pr Sun conjunct his pr Mercury
My pr Moon conjunct his pr Venus/Juno
My pr Mercury conjunct his pr Sun/IC/Boda
My pr Venus conjunct his pr Sun/IC/Boda
My pr Saturn conjunct his pr DSC
My pr Neptune conjunct his pr Vertex
My pr North Node conjunct his pr Neptune
My pr Vertex conjunct his pr Sun/IC/Boda
My pr Bode conjunct his pr Moon

And I also did the calculation for the Arabic Parts, Marriage of Man #2.

My pr Eros conjunct his Marriage of Man

So what do you guys think?

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belgz
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posted March 19, 2010 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
Well progressed moons opposite each other is meant to time the month of marriage.

So at the time of marriage both progressed moons would be opposite.

As for the rest its easier if you post up charts, and your meant to be looking at your own solar arcs to see if you have anything that shows you will be getting married and then compare with where your solar arcs are at compared to his natal chart.

In amowls thread theres heaps of examples of times when people get married with venus arced to any angle as the most common time people get married.

Also progressed ascendant in hard aspect to 7th house ruler.

Also you dont have to calculate them manually if you go to astro.com and scroll down to "natal, progressions and solar arc" once you click on it and the chart comes up then you can click on the left hand corner where it says "view the additional tables" and from there if you scroll down to the bottom chart you will see all the solar arc aspects for the specific date your looking at.. then if you post them here we can all have a look with you

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posted March 19, 2010 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
Belgz,
No I was talking about how long it takes for me to compare the charts, i.e., my solar arc placements to his natal, my progressed to his natal, etc.

Did you see any of the placements that are typical indicators? I thought progressed Sun to the other's Moon might be one? Progressed Venus conjunct his Progressed Sun?

I just looked at house rulers:

The ruler of his 7th is conjunct my Moon.
The ruler of his 5th is conjunct my Venus.

The ruler of my 7th is conjunct his Sun/Moon/IC.
The ruler of my 5th is conjunct the ruler of his 7th.
The ruler of my 5th is conjunct his DSC.

There are more....but maybe I'm just stretching here...

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Lara
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posted March 19, 2010 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Do you really have ALL those SA's at under 0'15 degrees?

WOW!
I'm impressed, although only EXACT EXACT conjunct, square, opposition, sesisquare counted i thought?

The thing about SA's VIG is that you can have a LOT of aspects to SA's. I found this out when i rotated my chart to find my birth time so you really need to have an exact exact cj, sq or opp for it to be significant i think i'm right in saying.

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posted March 19, 2010 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
Most of them are exact, progressions I took up to 1 degree orb.

Lara, what are your thoughts? I feel like its this year. I think it shows in the charts.

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DiandraReborn25
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posted March 19, 2010 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message
i also believe it will be this year dear VIG

nop i dont have a clue about solar arcs but i remember the aspects you showed me one time,they were all pointing to that.

and its about time,you two deserve it!

i love happy Marriages,the celebration of love!

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Lara
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posted March 19, 2010 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
I think you should quit worrying about it

Perfect timing is just that - sniff or force it and you can upset a delicate balance. The more you want it; the greater it will elude you so just relax, breathe, forget about marriage and when it happens naturally, have a fantastic Wedding Day!

Please enjoy your time pre marriage because marriage puts a feeling of restriction or binding on you both and the carefree love changes after marriage. Personally, i'd hold it off as long as possible

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posted March 19, 2010 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message
Lara

i think it depends on the two persons and the kind of relationship they have.

VIG will have a wonderful,happy and blissful marriage.

she and her lover will be 80´s and still holding their hands,seeing the grandchildren playing in the backyard....

Their relationship is one of the most beautiful,loving and eternal ive seen in LL.

they deserve the best of Lifes together.and fofr them marriage is not a prison,it is more of a blissfull dream came true.

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Lara
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posted March 19, 2010 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
I agree but Diandra, marriage is not a bed of roses even if you are twin flames!

It is a business contract. It is damn hard work and you won't know this until you've been married.

I absolutely agree that VIG has a wonderful relationship - all i am saying is enjoy the sweetness and carefree non-married status as long as you can and don't rush or force a marriage - allow it to come naturally.

It is destined so there is no need to try to perfect 'perfect timing'.

Venus in Gemini KNOWS i have her best interests at anyway.
If i could i'd email her but i can't - my emails are down.

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posted March 19, 2010 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message
oh i see

i think VIG is trying to see cayse they are apart,like me and JOhn.
so i understand perfectlyy well her need to "know" these timings

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Lara
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posted March 19, 2010 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Yes but do you appreciate and understand that by "seeing" and "looking" for these things you actually push it all away and keep it at arms distance?!

It's like when you think about a man he never phones you. As soon as you do something else and forget about him, he phones!

It's called subliminal intuitive response to a subconscious thought or something like that.

Just BE! Just be LOVE. Just be love NOW. don't look to tomorrow - trust me, tomorrow is supposed to be a day away for a reason! It's never going to be NOW.

TRUST in the Universe and allow for LOVE to come to you. Don't control it.

I have just learnt this lesson through my Twin Flame and i have struggled with it all my life. I'm so grateful to him from releasing me from my own chains. Now i just met the most amazing man and i'm just being.

soak it all up but never predict or force or 'NEED' to know anything. It's a killer and it's DOUBT and FEAR'S younger brother.

Peace to you both

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Lara
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posted March 19, 2010 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Know this:

The need to know - does nothing but create expectation. As soon as you have expectation, your relationship is imbalanced and over time will erode the foundations of what you have. Expectation is a fools game

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DiandraReborn25
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posted March 19, 2010 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message
Lara

yes i do know what you mean.

i go to a forum about IM and LOA.they usually say to live in the Now,and not fee the Ego by worrying in advance,or searching for something in the future.

that is by us attataching to the outcome of our wishes,that we prevent them from happening.and so we need to ask,trust,and let go.

that part is difficult,it is the part of Faith where we dont need to real proofs,that samething is happening or going to happen,but nevertheless..we trust.And we know it is already coming.

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posted March 19, 2010 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
BELIEF is everything!

If you believe it will happen then FAITH will reign. Everything is for the greater good so if it doesn't happen then it's just not meant to be!

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posted March 19, 2010 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
Well, Diandra knows that I am ready for this long distance thing to be over, and to start living our life together!

I believe that on my side, patience has been the big lesson through all this. I have Mars in Aries in the 5th house! Me learning patience has been right at the top of their list.

I agree that we need to trust in the Universe, and allow it to happen, not to try to push it, or make it happen. (There goes my Mars in the 5th grinding his teeth.) That we aren't supposed to know exactly when or how, or why, but trust that it will happen at the perfect time, in everyone's highest good.

I do have some conflicted feelings about astrology in that respect. Because we spend a lot of time analyzing charts, and looking at transits and and trying to determine, "when will I meet someone?, when will I get married?, when will I have a child?" So where I am torn is in the fact that we are supposed to not be attached, to not set ourselves up with expectations, because that's a form of attachment. And us needing to know when something is going to happen...well, that's us being attached to the outcome. So I do feel some conflict with how much I love astrology and knowing those things, and learning not to be attached to the outcome of things. Sigh....I do struggle with it.

Diandra,
I had told Lara on another thread, but I don't think I had mentioned to you what happened when Uranus hit my IC. The connection has gotten stronger between us. We have always had a really strong telepathic connection, to the point where we don't ever use the phone. And then one day, I started smelling cigarette smoke. I thought someone at work was sneaking a cigarette in the building (because they have to go outside). I kept saying to my co-workers's, "Do you smell smoke?" I think they thought I was crazy. And then it just got stronger and stronger, and I realized it was him. That I could smell when he lights up a cigarette. He is cigarette smoker, but I don't smoke. But it wasn't just that I could faintly smell smoke, it got strong enough that it was in my nose, in my head, in my throat. To the point where I felt like I couldn't breathe, that it was suffocating me. Like how you feel when you are in a room full of people smoking, and you can't breathe. My throat is dry and scratchy, and my eyes look red. He is trying to quit, and he is having a really hard time with it. So that was my first "gift" from Uranus hitting my IC. It wasn't the gift I was expecting...I thought it would be the "you are moving house" gift.

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posted March 19, 2010 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
Hi VIG,

I've had that same telepathic experience that you're describing with a soulmate, except it wasn't smoke. It was some kind of herbal fragrance he used and he also burned it as an incense in his apartment. He was either thinking about me or just burning the incense too strong and one day it got so bad it was burning my nasal cavity and I could taste it. It didn't taste good at all, kind of like getting perfume in your mouth.

The 2nd thing I wanted to tell you and everyone else. Do not compare your Solar Arcs to someone elses natal chart. Your Arcs have no affect on anyone elses chart, no matter what and their Arcs don't affect your natal chart either.

If this man is coming into your life, it will show up in your chart alone and his chart alone.

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posted March 19, 2010 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for that, Geo. Excellent to know!

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posted March 19, 2010 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Geo,
How would it show up in "your chart alone" please?
Natal/progressed/transits?
sun/venus/AC/DC?

Thanks

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posted March 19, 2010 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
Lara!! (hands on my hips, saying it with L.O.V.E.) Come on!! Look at that question and think about what you're asking me. You know how to do this.

The same basic ways that you've been looking for and finding romance in your chart and everyone elses charts all these years that you've been here.

All I'm saying is that if you put your chart next to your boyfriend's/husband's/mother's/children's charts and YOUR Venus is about to arc to THEIR Sun, you won't get a result or any impact because your arcs don't affect their chart. That goes for Secondary Progressions and Tertiary Progressions as well.

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posted March 19, 2010 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
I do love you Geo, you so TOTALLY ROCK!!!
haha yeah, i hear you with L.O.V.E.

I agree - i think pr venus on n sun or vice versa is beautiful and i guess pr NN cj n venus is also fated.


Can i ask a quick question please? Would a guy who is unbelievably talented in photography and musically have a virgo sun with gemini MC or a cancer sun with pisces MC? He's romantic, gentle, yummy, and yet very rock n' roll. Taurus sun, scorpio moon. He's also forever tidying up LOL

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posted March 19, 2010 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
Okay Geo, so I shouldn't bother comparing my Solar Arcs to his Natal then. Thank you, because I didn't realize that.

But do you consider comparing the Progressed Chart to the Natal chart? Would these show as indicators to you? My Progressed Moon and Venus conjunct his Sun/Vertex/Ic, and his Progressed Sun conjunct my Moon?

My Progressed to his Natal

My pr ASC/Boda conjuncts his Moon/Juno
My pr Moon/Venus/Vertex conjunct his Sun/IC
My pr Mars conjunct his ASC
My pr North Node conjunct his Neptune
My pr Eros conjuncts his ASC

His Progressed to my Natal

His pr Sun conjunct my Moon/Mercury
His pr Moon conjunct my Boda
His pr Mercury conjunct my MC
His pr Mars conjunct my IC
His pr North Node conjunct my Neptune
His pr Neptune conjunct my North Node/Jupiter
His pr Pluto conjunct my Moon
His pr North Node conjunct my ASC
His pr Vertex conjunct my Neptune
His pr Eros conjunct my Boda
His pr Boda conjunct my Moon

I have to admit that I like the idea of my Eros conjunct his Part of Marriage...

Thank you for stopping here! It's so nice to see you back with us...

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posted March 20, 2010 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
For Lara,

Yes to both combinations you presented. You have to look at ALL of the relationships of the planets and points in the chart. For the combos you presented, they can both be extremely talented and still have those Suns and MC's.

For VIG,

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That goes for Secondary Progressions and Tertiary Progressions as well.

That's the last sentence I wrote in my last post. That means no Arcs or Progressions of any kind. I noticed how you said that you get worn down from manually calculating aspects, etc. Well, now you can forget about comparing your progressions to another persons chart. It frees up your time to digest the information from what your own chart is telling you and what his chart tells you about him. Stick to synastry comparisons or composites if they speak to you. Anything more is over-kill, wishful thinking and obsessing, ya know.

Trust the information you have from those, have faith in your very strong basic knowledge, really trust it. You're doing really well.

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posted March 20, 2010 03:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I dunno, I cant find anything in my chart for when I met my ex and got married. The SA move so slowly! I didn't have a sun/venus conjunction by progression either, so I don't understand. The only thing I can think of is SA Pluto on my 7th (and Scorpio is my dc anyway). But Pluto takes so damn long to move, I am not sure.

When I met him I had:

-SA Jupiter semi-sq my natal Moon
-SA Neptune conj my natal NN
-SA Pluto sq my natal Jupiter
-SA Mars qux my natal 7th house

hmm. I'll look at the day we married and see what I get.

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posted March 20, 2010 03:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Well, forget that marriage thing, I have now looked at my SA chart for when we separated/divorced, and oh my!...check this out:

-SA Saturn sq my natal Asc/Dsc
-SA Pluto oppose my natal 1st house
-SA Sun sq my n MC
-SA Venus semi-sq n Uranus (interestingly, a very fleeting attraction came about right before my divorce. I wonder if this is how it's being shown!)

Among other things... lol. But this sounds like enough, no?


I don't get it tho, because Pluto and Saturn, both in SA chart, were oppose and sq Asc. up until the summer! That's a long time! Can that still hold the theory?

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posted March 20, 2010 04:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
MVM,

Everything you pointed out for your marriage is valid. Everything for your divorce is valid including the Venus=Uranus for the attraction you had.

The Neptune=Nodal Axis is an interesting measurement. If I saw that I would ask you if there was an element of confusion with your relationship when you were getting married. Was your relationship suppressed somehow, silenced or did you already expect deception? Was there a strong spiritual sense about it? Was there a strong shaming element attached to it? Was it artistically public? However, I wouldn't look at that measurement alone and predict a marriage, but it does speak of some kind of spiritual meeting or publicity, but relationship is often implied when dealing with the Nodal Axis.

The point for everyone to understand is that there are many, many symbolic combinations that suggest marriage. One of the keys is to be honest with yourself about the nature of your relationship when you got married. Remember, for some people their wedding day isn't the happiest day of their lives or the most romantic day. You'd be surprised at how many people walk into a marriage knowing that it's a huge mistake and that it won't last. Those kinds of things show up in wedding day charts as well.

For some people it's a cementing of a friendship, for some it's as if they conquered a goal or won a competition or won the lottery, it can show up like a job promotion. It is always a change in social status. It can be a reward or a prison sentence. So, yes, you can look for Venus=Sun, Moon, Jupiter, ASC, Pluto, Uranus, 7th House, etc. You can be cliche about it, but also be realistic about it. How did you really feel on your wedding day? What did you really know but were not ready to admit about your relationship with this person? Look for that kind of symbology. I've never been married and in one way it helps me to see the reasons why people get married. It's not always for the right reasons.

Here's a thought I was taught to remember when analyzing relationship charts and speaking to clients about their relationships: "Sometimes it's over before it starts." And you can see that in the chart.

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