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Topic: which combos are stronger than others?
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rajin
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posted April 24, 2010 12:41 AM
 
In synastry charts how do you decide which combos are stronger than others? For eg, Sun conj Moon or Venus conj Mars. Which of these is forges a bond that is harder to break? Also say there is NN conj Asc and Jupiter square Pluto. One is Positive one negative. Does the negative supersede the positive? Or do they cancel each other?
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Lonake
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posted April 24, 2010 12:47 AM
In my experience aspects act alongside each other and never cancel each other out.
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For eg, Sun conj Moon or Venus conj Mars. Which of these is forges a bond that is harder to break?
Unfortunately it's not as easy as that =/
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Also say there is NN conj Asc and Jupiter square Pluto. One is Positive one negative. Does the negative supersede the positive?
With Nn conj Asc vs. Jupiter sq.Pluto, the conjunction would be more the aspect to look at, and that conjunction is not necessarily positive, but it is quite rare.IP: Logged |
Alia
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posted April 24, 2010 01:03 AM
to me feels stronger whenever theres Saturn activity involved. esp squares to luminairesIP: Logged |
lalalinda
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posted April 24, 2010 01:16 AM
It's hard to judge on aspect alone.
An angular conjunction will be felt more prominently than one that is cadent or succedent.An unbreakable bond could be the Rulers of the Ascendant conjunct each other. IP: Logged |
staborgi
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posted April 24, 2010 02:23 AM
I would look at what those planets are doing in the natals and go from there. Check aspects and house rulerships and that might tell you more...for example if your Sun is conjunct someone's Mars and Mars is their DC ruler, that will have more weight. IP: Logged |
lalalinda
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posted April 24, 2010 02:33 AM
something else to think aboutIs the conjunction part of a configuration?
like a Grand Square, Grand Trine, etc.
(if yes then it will activate it)
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does it happen in a Water house, where it would have Karmic implications? isn't this fun  IP: Logged |
staborgi
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posted April 24, 2010 03:20 AM
I wonder if rulers of ASC or DSC conjunct someone else's planet produces the same energy that it would if the planet were in fact conjunct the ASC or DSC? Or if angle rulers conjunct produce the same effect as if the angles were conjunct?IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 24, 2010 03:31 AM
staborgi, I agree on both fronts,
I believe that's the main reason why I'm so sensitive to my Sun (asc ruler) conj another's Dsc. I react more positively and strongly to this aspect than you'd traditionally think.IP: Logged |
rajin
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posted April 24, 2010 09:01 AM
Thanks folks.
I am still learning astrology and am amazed at the amount of things that have to be considered. It is confusing too and sometimes I don't understand why things seem one way in the charts and are different in life.
appreciate all of you and am in awe of you.
You rock.IP: Logged |
rajin
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posted April 24, 2010 09:01 AM
Thanks folks.
I am still learning astrology and am amazed at the amount of things that have to be considered. It is confusing too and sometimes I don't understand why things seem one way in the charts and is different in life.
appreciate all of you and am in awe of you.
You rock.IP: Logged |
rajin
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posted April 24, 2010 09:04 AM
ooh, one more query.
Say in a synastry chart A person has NN conj B's Asc at 3 deg 38min and B has NN trine A's Asc at 2 deg 20min, which person would be more affected and how? Lonake said that it may not be a positive effect, so which one suffers? IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted April 24, 2010 01:31 PM
It's important to think of the psychological dynamics behind all the symbolism. People can ask which is more relevant, Sun/Moon conjunction or Venus/Mars conjunction in a synastry? Well, we have to think about what each actually represents - while Sun/Moon represents an affinity with ego/emotions, Venus/Mars represents a physical attraction. So that none can actually substitute another, since they are about different things. The question is, what do each of us want for a certain relationship?That is why for synastry, each aspect combination will always represent the same thing, but each of their relevance will be different for different people. And to determine which aspect is more relevant in a certain synastry, we have to analyze each person's chart.
For example, person A has Sun/Moon conjunction with person B, while A has Venus/Mars conjunction with person C. If A needs emotional bond more than physical attraction in a relationship, then A might prefer B. But if A needs physical attraction more, A might prefer C.
Also, Sun/Moon conjunction shows affinity, but not necessarily about romance (affinity does not necessarily lead to romance), while Venus/Mars shows attraction while not necessarily commitment feeling. Each aspect actually depends on other aspects in the synastry to form an idea of how the general picture is. Resuming, a bond that is harder to break can't be determined by just a single aspect or a static comparison/selection of an aspect. The importance of each planet/object in each one's natal chart, as well as the rest of the synastry are needed to determine which relationship could possibly be more relevant to each individual. IP: Logged |
rajin
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posted April 24, 2010 02:37 PM
Thanks comica
I understand what ur saying, just cant sometimes understand why seemingly solid relationships breakIP: Logged |
raspberri
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posted April 24, 2010 02:41 PM
What you guy's think about this?My ASC Libra
Ruler Venus Gemini 14 in 9th House
7th Ruler Mars Pisces 22 in 6th House
My NN Pisces 16 in 6th House His ASC Taurus
Ruler Venus Virgo 13 in 5th House
7th Ruler Mars Virgo 14
& (Pluto Scorpio 3) in 7th House
His Chiron Gemini 14 in 2nd House
His Uranus Sagittarius 14 in 8th House
I like how my 1st House Ruler VENUS is squaring his 7th House Ruler MARS!
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Lonake
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posted April 24, 2010 08:22 PM
Hi rajin,
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ooh, one more query.
Say in a synastry chart A person has NN conj B's Asc at 3 deg 38min and B has NN trine A's Asc at 2 deg 20min, which person would be more affected and how? Lonake said that it may not be a positive effect, so which one suffers?
In the case of the conjunction, so far I've found that the Asc person will play a strong role in the NN person's life, directly tied to fate, if you will, it could be a positive experience for NN person, or not, it depends on how they approach the situation. The Asc person has something to teach NNN. The conj would be stronger than the trine, imo. Also, look at the condition of the aspects that the NN makes in their natal, and also the aspects, other than the Asc conj, that the NN makes in synastry. If there's heavy square action, say from Saturn or Mars, then it may be very difficult for the NN person to continue the association.IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted April 24, 2010 08:51 PM
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just cant sometimes understand why seemingly solid relationships break
I guess that this is a mystery many of us wish to understand. Astrology aside, there's never a solid guarantee if relationship can last for a lifetime, even for the most perfect relationships. That is each other's presence in our lives is a rare precious gift, and treasure the lessons we've learned from each other, even if we can't be together anymore.Back to astrology again, sometimes it also depends on how evolved a person is of his/her chart's lessons to determine the effects of the synastry/composite. For example, if I have a natal square that I'm not in peace with and another person activates it, then our relationship might be turbulent, while if I've dominated its lessons then I might not feel uncomfortable with its activation through synastry, and live in peace with the other person.
This is also why some couple seems to go well even if their synastries has many harsh things, while some couples can still not stand each other even if they have 10 lovely aspects and 1 square. But well, just something I guess that it's important (not sure if I've mentioned in this thread lol) - compatibility is not necessarily good relationship, compatibility simply means compatibility for better or worse. IP: Logged |
rajin
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posted April 24, 2010 11:22 PM
Hi Lonake and comica,
Thanks for the patient replies. I was looking at the synastry aspects for NN. The guy whose NN is conj my Asc has his NN square my venus and mercury. But my NN is trine his Asc and squares his Saturn. I am not the one running away from the relationship, he starts distancing himself if it starts getting serious.
does it mean that he will always be repulsed by any emotional bonds with me? He breaks up and then comes back and I can't seem to let him go either.
Thanks a lot for your help in understanding a bit more about this great subject.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 24, 2010 11:41 PM
Rajin, what aspects does his NN get in his natal? I would think he's unsure of how to deal with the energy, and that it's overwhelming for him in association with you, just based on this aspect alone, i'm trying to isolate it, and this may go on for some time, with him looking like he doesn't know what he wants. The squares to your Venus and Mercury shouldn't be problematic, in and of themselves.IP: Logged |
rajin
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posted April 25, 2010 12:03 AM
Hey Lonake,
Thanks for the prompt reply. His NN is opp is Pluto at abt 4 degrees in his natal chart. I can post a synastry chart for us if you would have time.
I appreciate your help. Thanks for helping an amateur understand. Astrology is a really vast subject and I now realize that astrologers who write weekly or monthly horoscopes have a great deal of work to do to fit everybody into 12 signs. Hats off to the ones who do such a great job of it.
Also hats off to LLers, you all are a great bunch of people.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 25, 2010 12:56 AM
so his pluto is conj your dsc? just those 2, i do think he has attraction/repulsion feelings about this relationship.IP: Logged |
rajin
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posted April 25, 2010 07:18 AM
Yes, his Pluto is conj my Dsc. Why does it repulse him? And then I come back to my original Qs. So is the repulsion stronger than the NN conj Asc that he runs away? Will he not be able to overcome the repulsion?
We have Venus opp Mars, 3-4 planets in each other's 7th house and the composite has sun venus conj Dsc within 2 degrees.IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted April 25, 2010 12:56 PM
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An unbreakable bond could be the Rulers of the Ascendant conjunct each other.
TOTALLY agree... my and my SO's ASC's are conjunct in virgo and our Mercury's are cj exact and also both cj exact our prospective suns. It rocks! 
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Glaucus
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posted April 25, 2010 12:57 PM
You have to look at it as a whole.no aspect cancels out another aspect aspects work as modifiers ------------------
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rajin
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posted April 25, 2010 01:02 PM
Hey Glaucus,
But does one aspect overwhelm another one? Like even if there are squares, some of teh conjunctions may be so strong that the effect of the squares does not seem to be very strong. In that context would a Pluto conj Dsc overwhelm a NN conjunct Asc aspect?
sorry abt being so stupid, am just trying to wrap my head around new concepts and things that don't make sense in charts as compared to real life.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 25, 2010 04:24 PM
rajin,
"So is the repulsion stronger than the NN conj Asc that he runs away?"
like i said above they don't cancel each other out, they will both be working. the thing you may be referring to is the orb. a 0 deg orb would make an aspect stronger than one that is 5 deg off. to make it easy just look at 0 deg orb aspects first, then 1 deg, etc. but keep in mind if the planets youre looking at are important to the person's natal. i understand this sounds confusing. all you can do is start looking at charts and using your intuition, seeing what works for you. we're only giving our opinions here, because this is what works for us.IP: Logged |
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