posted August 06, 2019 10:43 PM            

How can I manipulate a Gemini man to agree a separation/divorce in a good way? I mean, so we don't fight/argue/being an enemy during the process because I want we are in a good term as we have one kid together.

I've read that Geminis usually friends with all of their exes, but why this Gemini is always very angry if I bring the topic (like he wants to punch me)? He acts like my feeling about not being happy with our relationship/marriage is delusional, that I am lying, or am crazy. Whenever I cry he always mocks me that I fake my tears.

Gemini sun
Capricorn moon
Gemini venus

posted August 07, 2019 01:53 AM            

What do you think about the possibility to seek legal help, fill all the forms and leave them to him with a proclamation that you are hereby ending the agreement?

Leave all emotions out of it, if you can?

posted August 07, 2019 02:44 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ Same shjt, different means ?

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Hehe probably

We dont know house positions. And I have a hard time relating to someone who wants to stay married even when the spouse is unhappy in the relationship.

My bet is still on solving the issue by using the law
Hes already dismissed his wifes emotional explanation, so what is there left? I think it might be a though one to use reason because he probably thinks he knows his wife and apparently thinks shes irrational?

posted August 07, 2019 03:09 AM            

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Originally posted by ScandinavianCrab:
Is it possible for you to view the marriage as a legal buisness agreement? Because that is pretty much how the society views it?

What do you think about the possibility to seek legal help, fill all the forms and leave them to him with a proclamation that you are hereby ending the agreement?

Leave all emotions out of it, if you can?

Children uses manipulation because that is one of the few tools they have. Adults use the law

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He threatens if I send him the paper he would make everything difficult a.k.a I would be in another series of extreme emotional rollercoaster drama again (which I try to avoid it as he would bring all of my big family in a fight). I have been there before when I tried to run away for 6 months, he successfully made everything crazy (I've lost 11 pounds just after two months delivering a baby), he contacted anyone that had a contact with me and he used the power of Gemini's words. I felt guilty by making all of my big family under stress including me and it affected the peace I most seek with everyone.

The point is, I want to have a peaceful separation, I mean, he agrees without threatening me or my big family or using my kid as a weapon or without any emotional rollercoaster of manipulation here and there that affected other people. How to make him see I am not happy with him and that is a serious issues in our relationship (which separation is a good idea, isn't it)? I don't want to cheated on him as a tool to make him leave me, I don't want to be the same as him who cheated several times before we got married, I just want to have no drama drama in the process of separation. I know he loves our daughter although before she was born he suggested to do an abortion and everytime we had a fight he said he didn't know who's it fathers. I've told him if we are separating, he still can have a full access to meet our daughter, it's only the matter of I don't want to live in the same house with him anymore and to legally have no status with him, but he keeps very emotionally temperamental if I bring the topic. How to smoothly talk to him so he sees the point that separation is a good thing for both of us? so we can talk nicely without one of us screaming in one's ear?

posted August 07, 2019 03:20 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Geminis are mental signs, try to talk with him reasonably if you can. Let him see the "reasons" . Throw a pram, and they run away like I don't know what loll.

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I've tried this one, yet, again, he responds with high pitch voice and throwing tantrums.

posted August 07, 2019 05:48 AM            

My initially thought was to get him drunk then have him sign a separation paper while he's drunk or during his hangover.

Then before he's sober and realizes...your miles away from him and won't return until things cool down.

In all seriousness I don't know why you can't reason or explain it to him with logic.

posted August 07, 2019 06:21 AM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
The question is,

How can I manipulate a Gemini man to agree a separation/divorce in a good way? I mean, so we don't fight/argue/being an enemy during the process because I want we are in a good term as we have one kid together.

I've read that Geminis usually friends with all of their exes, but why this Gemini is always very angry if I bring the topic (like he wants to punch me)? He acts like my feeling about not being happy with our relationship/marriage is delusional, that I am lying, or am crazy. Whenever I cry he always mocks me that I fake my tears.

Gemini sun
Capricorn moon
Gemini venus

Any suggestion how to break the bond?

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Venus and Moon jointly rule our sense of security. With Moon being emotional closeness and Venus being tangible walls or physical things one can touch that reinforce "all is well".

It could be that you are threatening his sense of security. And his retaliation is to play it down or make fun of it(Venus in Gemini)

With Moon in Cap, his sense of "closeness" to you is probably to treat this relationship much like a business arrangement.

In his mind, he is reasonable, grounded,logical and a "catch". And it is YOU who is bringing the "drama queen" element to an otherwise "perfect" arrangement (Cap Moons often of all relationship as "arrangements" lol)

Moon in Cap many times has no idea how they can come across cold/uncaring and impassive when it comes to showing softness and affection.

Cap Moon tend to prioritize taking care of "tangibles" i.e paying the bills, providing food and shelter etc. as far higher in their list of priorities than worrying about something as "intangible" and "irrational" or corny as hugs,kisses or grand displays of affection.

As they age,they learn a painful lesson as people dissociate with them and this distance from others creates a loneliness that motivates two outcomes.

One outcome is to build better relations and be more "present"(in time seriously rivaling Cancer Moons here) or the second being that they can become even more dismissive of other's emotional demands on them and thereby alienate themselves more to a point where they are known as "grumpy" and "unpleasant" to be around etc.

It is not uncommon for someone with Venus Gemini to treat their mates like siblings. And so their sense of physical security(Venus) is tied into having someone around with whom they can bounce ideas off on.

There is definitely an air of cool affection that can border very closely on platonic love. And add to that Venus in Gemini can love mental games and consider them pivotal in any relationship they enter into( romantic or otherwise).

So if there are serious afflictions to Mercury, it could suggest someone who can "play" dirty . And if it is to guard against the threat of security(Venus), the response is often to use verbal insults,be sarcastic or become argumentative(Gemini).

posted August 07, 2019 09:06 AM            

Set up your new place to live and explain that he will get time with his daughter and if he still wants to fight for custody that fight will be fought in court and not by him calling you or your family trying to reason his way into anything.
Etc etc

It seems he doesnt have any respect for your, and perhaps for no woman, and without knowing i believe he never will.

posted August 07, 2019 12:28 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Yep please give some tips I want mine back. He thinks I want a relationship just because I told him my parents like and want me to date him. But I’m honestly not interested in dating him I only want sex. I only said it because I thought maybe he would feel more comfortable having sex with me. If he knew my parents liked him. Is there a way to convince him?

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posted August 07, 2019 01:17 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Manipulating someone into having sex, isn't really a good thing. If you respect his wishes, he might come around by himself at some point. If you keep making a thing of it, he's going to think that you want more than sex.

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posted August 07, 2019 01:33 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I'm not trying to manipulate him into having sex. I'm trying to manipulate him into believing that I am telling the truth (which I am) about only wanting sex with them. Yeah I know I'm not going to contact him even though he told me to keep sending him pictures. Because he loves my body lol that part tickles me I don't know why.

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posted August 07, 2019 01:37 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
He told you to send pictures? Yeah, it's good that you haven't contacted him then. He would have been using you.

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posted August 07, 2019 02:14 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Ahhhh, you might have to have a bit of war to have peace later, if he keeps avoiding that is, perhaps he doesnt know how to treat you, but at the same time, doesn't want to leave you, happens to us men.

Bringing the government inbetween would be a pain in the ass, and a bit cold in my eyes, afterall its between two lovers , better to solve between two of them too without the third party.

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posted August 07, 2019 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
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In all seriousness I don't know why you can't reason or explain it to him with logic.

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All of my family even asking me, why he doesn't come to understand although it is very clear I want a divorce, although it is very clear the reasons, although it is very clear that I try talking to him about our issues.

In his mind, my reason is irrational. He even accuse my family influencing me to get a divorce, I say that is purely my own decision but he still doesn't believe me.

posted August 07, 2019 02:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Venus and Moon jointly rule our sense of security. With Moon being emotional closeness and Venus being tangible walls or physical things one can touch that reinforce "all is well".

It could be that you are threatening his sense of security. And his retaliation is to play it down or make fun of it(Venus in Gemini)

With Moon in Cap, his sense of "closeness" to you is probably to treat this relationship much like a business arrangement.

In his mind, he is reasonable, grounded,logical and a "catch". And it is YOU who is bringing the "drama queen" element to an otherwise "perfect" arrangement (Cap Moons often of all relationship as "arrangements" lol)

Moon in Cap many times has no idea how they can come across cold/uncaring and impassive when it comes to showing softness and affection.

Cap Moon tend to prioritize taking care of "tangibles" i.e paying the bills, providing food and shelter etc. as far higher in their list of priorities than worrying about something as "intangible" and "irrational" or corny as hugs,kisses or grand displays of affection.

As they age,they learn a painful lesson as people dissociate with them and this distance from others creates a loneliness that motivates two outcomes.

One outcome is to build better relations and be more "present"(in time seriously rivaling Cancer Moons here) or the second being that they can become even more dismissive of other's emotional demands on them and thereby alienate themselves more to a point where they are known as "grumpy" and "unpleasant" to be around etc.

It is not uncommon for someone with Venus Gemini to treat their mates like siblings. And so their sense of physical security(Venus) is tied into having someone around with whom they can bounce ideas off on.

There is definitely an air of cool affection that can border very closely on platonic love. And add to that Venus in Gemini can love mental games and consider them pivotal in any relationship they enter into( romantic or otherwise).

So if there are serious afflictions to Mercury, it could suggest someone who can "play" dirty . And if it is to guard against the threat of security(Venus), the response is often to use verbal insults,be sarcastic or become argumentative(Gemini).

Just follow through. Don't pay him no mind. He has to know how serious you are and stop patronizing you.

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I have the same feeling about this.

He always told me that I am the drama queen whenever I told him we should live separately and get a divorce and whenever I broke down crying that I really can't stand anymore living in the same house with him, with all of his rude attitude/words towards me and how he has low respect towards me as a wife.

I only want a divorce, why he makes everything difficult between us? I never ask him anything, only a divorce. And he accuse me anything that make him look like a victim. Turn the table on me? I admit that he is often "playing dirty" to get what he wants. He doesn't care about other people's feelings only his ambition. I don't know what is his ambition on me, but surely he doesn't have a respect to woman. That's why I want to get away from him and break the bond. I am very emotionally detached from him, doesn't feel love anymore, I feel strange to this marriage.

posted August 07, 2019 03:04 PM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Oh geez.....I havent read all the replies but I'm currently trying to get my ex husband who is a gemini sun/cap moon/taurus venus to agree to a settlement offer. He's so angry with me for apparently "destroying his life." We've been battling in court for 5 years almost.
I feel you.
I don't really have advice lol because mine is stubborn AF and I just don't know what else to do but pray.
I can tell you thought, that he fought for me until the very end. He tried everything he could. Now he's just bitter and feels entitled to my parent's money, including my inheritance from my late father.

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That's what I'm afraid of, a long time battle in court, because he promises me he will.

posted August 07, 2019 04:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
I don't know about Gemini but as a Cappy moon I'd say DON'T manipulate.
I can't think of a single thing that makes me more resentful and prone to destruction just out of the simple rage of not being able to trust.

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posted August 07, 2019 05:10 PM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
So, how to touch a Cappy Moon's heart that she/he needs to let go of the relationship/marriage?

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In my case you'd just have to give me time. I can't lie to myself, I would be destroyed anyway if not loved and would let you go and take everything and let myself die for a while.

Really though, in general I wouldn't manipulate people. Especially not when there are laws. You want out, it's your right to.