posted November 05, 2012 11:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
The only observation I've made - that might be relevant here is that - when a man has a harsh Mars/Pluto or Mars/Saturn aspect (even more so, if he has both!).. and a woman's Venus is in conjunction/square or opposition to his Mars, in their synastry chart - He is capable of being extremely abusive towards her.

The man involved might not be all that violent normally, but if her Venus triggers this aspect she can bring out a highly macho & apey side of him.

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posted November 05, 2012 11:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
The only observation I've made - that might be relevant here is that - when a man has a harsh Mars/Pluto or Mars/Saturn aspect (even more so, if he has both!).. and a woman's Venus is in conjunction/square or opposition to his Mars, in their synastry chart - He is capable of being extremely abusive towards her.

The man involved might not be all that violent normally, but if her Venus triggers this aspect she can bring out a highly macho & apey side of him.

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posted November 05, 2012 11:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Lazyscarecrow:
Odette hit it dead on the nail. I just checked the synastry of the most abusive relationship I was ever involved in (mental, emotional, physical and it even poured over into the sex - not really "rape" but he would attempt to control me using sex or the lack thereof for example) and lo and behold, he has Mars square Saturn, Mars opposite Pluto in his natal, and his Mars is square my Venus in synastry. Actually, he has a nasty T-square going on with Mars-Pluto-Saturn... I'd be wary of any man with those in his chart, or at least triggers in the synastry.

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posted November 05, 2012 11:45 AM            

Mars Conjunction Pluto in Scorpio/ House 5 or 8

Mars square/opposition Pluto in Scorpio

posted November 05, 2012 12:28 PM            

Maybe a poorly aspected Aries Mars could lead to violent outbursts.

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
This combinations can be dangerous:

Mars Conjunction Pluto in Scorpio/ House 5 or 8

Mars square/opposition Pluto in Scorpio

... if in Gemini might be mostly verbal violence, if in Pisces - substance abuse... depends which sign... and others placements might help or intensify this issues.

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posted November 05, 2012 01:00 PM            

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Originally posted by meyray:
Heh, Scorpio always gets a bad rep. But seriously, that's a good point. Just the type of answer I was looking for.

Maybe a poorly aspected Aries Mars could lead to violent outbursts.

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Well, yes - when it comes to dangerous habits Scorpio and its ruler Pluto is a good place to start... but when it comes to Sun Sign... that's a different story... most Scorpio people are quite nice.. and yes - they can be more sexual - but violence rarely fits their pattern - they can be revengeful or bare hate for a longer time - but again, very rarely show that in violence - it's mostly about the sing placement paired with Planets like Pluto and Mars wile Saturn works against the one in question...

posted November 05, 2012 03:39 PM            

I looked our charts in the past on a forum and I know he has attibutes towards violence and abuse but it's been days since I looked at it.

He has a stellium in Virgo and Libra.

Virgo Moon conjunct Mars, Mercury (11th)
Libra Sun conjunct Pluto (12th)
Sun conjunct Uranus (12th)
Mars trine Saturn
Saturn Trine Pluto and (Saturn Parallel Pluto - acts like a conjunction)
Then Venus conjunct Jupiter Scorpio in 1st.

He was such a charasmatic man. Nothing overly physically attractive (handsome but nothing over the top) but his voice, his personality drew people in. He was so funny, personable, sensitive, emotional, loving, romantic, but then manipulative, a liar, sersius anger issues, controlling, and verbally and physically abusive (more vebal then physical - I did end up with a few bruises, but I got out before it got too physical.)

posted November 05, 2012 03:49 PM            

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Originally posted by CRCRINCON:
This post fascinates me because of my ex husband. We were married just 6 months before I left him. He was quite abusive but he doesn't really have any of what you guys have listed. He didn't sexually do anything to me. But he was abusive.

I looked our charts in the past on a forum and I know he has attibutes towards violence and abuse but it's been days since I looked at it.

He has a stellium in Virgo and Libra.

Virgo Moon conjunct Mars, Mercury (11th)
Libra Sun conjunct Pluto (12th)
Sun conjunct Uranus (12th)
Mars trine Saturn
Saturn Trine Pluto and (Saturn Parallel Pluto - acts like a conjunction)
Then Venus conjunct Jupiter Scorpio in 1st.

He was such a charasmatic man. Nothing overly physically attractive (handsome but nothing over the top) but his voice, his personality drew people in. He was so funny, personable, sensitive, emotional, loving, romantic, but then manipulative, a liar, sersius anger issues, controlling, and verbally and physically abusive (more vebal then physical - I did end up with a few bruises, but I got out before it got too physical.)

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I'm so sorry to hear this happened to you. As an advocate against domestic violence it always saddens me to see a victim on this forum.

The Venus-Jupiter conjuction in H1 in Scorpio is absolutely the charisma factor, at least the immediate one. Many with this aspect will have a little extra shine in their personality that make them appealing to the opposite or even same sex, make people want to give them gifts or just feel happy by being around them. To have it in the 1st will make it even stronger and a man having Venus there in an intensely magnetic but polarizing sign of Scorpio can be intense. Throw Jupiter in there and it gets taken to a new level. Also, the Sun-Pluto conjunction in Libra H12 is probably where the subtle undercurrents of manipulation in close relationships [Libra influence] come into play.

posted November 05, 2012 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
This combinations can be dangerous:

Mars Conjunction Pluto in Scorpio/ House 5 or 8

Mars square/opposition Pluto in Scorpio

... if in Gemini might be mostly verbal violence, if in Pisces - substance abuse... depends which sign... and others placements might help or intensify this issues.

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posted November 05, 2012 05:26 PM            

Yep, you guys hit it on the head. And in conjunction with this (no pun intetended) we have his Moon, Mercury, Mars, pluto conjunct my Mars and Mercury.

My sun conjunct his Moon and Mars.

And his Sun and Uranus conjunct my Pluto.

Toooo intense. I remember one day when we were walking in the snow in colorado in the middle of no where and he said to me: "You know I could kill you out here an no one would ever know what even happened to you." And then a couple minutes later followed it with...I'm just messing with you. Ummm, really?!??! And that doesn't include him throwing my cat across the room, banging my head against the ground and calling me crazy all the time.

Let's just say thank god for the therapist in me as it allowed me to get out quickly!

And yes, I have an amazing partner in my husband now! Thanks 7thGuardian.

posted November 05, 2012 06:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
Scorpio Mars conjunct Pluto exact, in the 8H.
Never touched or forced myself on anyone, never will, matter of fact I haven't even been intimate. As far as being dangerous that side of me only comes out when I feel like i'm in danger myself

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Oh, Moonfish - you... ^^ u're to feminine to be affected by that in such way (and not just because you're a woman) - same placement
in the chart of a man, who's quite manly in more ways than one and things might be a little different - like a violent sport where he can unload his energy and there's a chance he'd go to far on some of his dates... or maybe - there's a necessity for another factor in this mix for things to go that way but even this can be enough in some cases...

...wile in your case might be more like this...

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I have to say I'm a big believer that conjunctions are not for everyone in a partnership. I basically have none with my husband and I think it is one of the reasons we are so happy. Conjunctions are too intense for me in the bad way!

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posted November 05, 2012 07:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
The only observation I've made - that might be relevant here is that - when a man has a harsh Mars/Pluto or Mars/Saturn aspect (even more so, if he has both!).. and a woman's Venus is in conjunction/square or opposition to his Mars, in their synastry chart - He is capable of being extremely abusive towards her.

The man involved might not be all that violent normally, but if her Venus triggers this aspect she can bring out a highly macho & apey side of him.

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This is true. I have these aspects with someone, wondered more than a few times if there's a sadistic element there - seems like he gets off on doing and saying things to try and hurt me in an emotional sense. There's just this really psychologically perverse element there that I don't like. I don't think he's even like that with everyone else it's just me specifically, I think my venus falling in the middle of that big mess in his chart kinda flips that "Psycho" switch in his head or something.

posted November 06, 2012 04:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
@7thGuardian
I have played a few sports back in my hs days, but now i just like to hit the gym (sun-mars-pluto trine asc) I get where your coming from though

You think so? well idk about all that. I see myself more like the girl in this Video lmao

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Can't make connections with 2 aspects alone - yet this combination (Pluto Conj. Mars in Scorpio/8th house) can be dangerous in some charts (related to this topic) - wile in yours... might be helped by other placements (don't think i ever saw your chart ^^)... among other things - 8'th house, Pluto and Scorpio - are related to death, but in same time they're related to sex and regeneration/rebirth... and Mars here - is just an extra worry - for those like me who don't find the 8'th house a comfortable place in terms of outcome - or even when death is the friend of the ones in question... any of this 3 (Pluto, Scorpio or Mars) in 8'th house can imply a violent death... with all 3 of them there, well... everybody dies at one point - violent or not... it's not an easy outcome... and personalty i find Gemini in 8th House more disturbing... your mind goes first - related to some fked'up diseases like Alzheimer...

...but enough about that, let's cheer up a litle and talk about sex and regeneration (ok, maybe it's not the right topic for that )... well, there's that S & M factor - which can be related to this placements - but this is also a generation thing, the sexual anarchy emancipated with Pluto entering Scorpio... but... it wasn't just that was it... it also brought a lot of death (not a coincidence - that part of it is sex related - like aids)... on the bright side - it awaken the mind - it awaken an entire generation from the long sleep imposed on them by a dogmatic religion... the so called biblical apocalypse - that did reached it's peak beyond the year 2000 with the technological advancement of the internet - and the disconnection from the main source... not the end of the world foreseen by earth signs who take things to literally, and not the one foreseen by water signs either - it's them who created the biblical apocalyptic image... was just the end of something that wasn't working anymore - a new beginning a new world view... an evolution if you will - but also a new type of hell... a new type of heaven - the digital kind... yet this is optional... that's just it - it's just one choice... you can open-up to the universe (and beyond) that's out-there - or stick with the digital Universe...

posted November 06, 2012 11:54 AM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
...it's not like you can chose to have them or not, i for one - sure didn't ask for some of the squares/conjunctions i have - but i got them anyway... and it's the same with most people... Saturn and Pluto are bad enough on their own - and i was plagued with them in conjunction... ffs... Pluto's been messing with my chart in more ways then one - mostly negative so... what can i say... c'est la vie! ^^

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On no of course not. I believe that Destiny often chooses this path for us. But having said that while I adore the people I have Virgo connections with as Friends, any person in my past whom I had strong sexual attraction and or an actual romantic relationship with ...it was volitle. So it must be some sort of karmic thing for me in particular...

I also have Sun semi sextile Pluto, Moon Trine Pluto, and Venus semi square pluto all tight aspects. Plus I have Pluto square my AC. My sun is in the 8th too. And my sun/moon midpoint is Scorpio aspecting my Mars...so I'm no stranger to the fact that I seem to attract this type of energy in the past with people. And I have attracted also people who abused me in a sexual manner (though I was lucky enough to escape it being major.)

posted November 06, 2012 03:33 PM            

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Originally posted by CRCRINCON:
P.S. I do think it is interesting with Saturn now moving into Scorpio we are talking about all of this.

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...oh - so that's why if feel more naughty XD

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I'm in to psychology as well, so yes - i have some interests in: what makes some people do the things they do... yet, i don't find this subjects comfortable to talk about and it's even worst with those that committed suicide - don't like to get near their charts and the negative energy that they left behind... on the other hand i don't mind approaching those that have such intent - there's still hope there... I wasn't abused "in this way" or anything like that (not in this life... anyway) - i'm also a man, but i knew/know people who have... and they have that side - that part of them that is broken and kept under lock (repressed/blocked) - yet, sometimes.. it slips out and still hunts them... i feel a lot of empathy for those in such situation - i find their existence fragile like porcelain... it's similar with children who have been bullied repetitively... the inner pain settles in and scars the soul... some manage to move on - (or at least, they try to give that impression) wile others are broken for their entire life... a burden that can follow them even in future lives... - if i was to make a connection i'd say that:

- those who are in to S & M (and other types of finding pleasure in pain) without being abused in this life - might have this tendency from a previous life - a soul package...

Well, i a Gemini with Cancer ASC and 12 house NN in Gemini... a weird combination - but it's what i am... or meant to be... so i'll do what i can... ^^

posted November 07, 2012 09:22 PM            

I think it really is a combo of nature and nurture and that astrologically that can be seen in a chart.

For example, if someone has heavy Saturn or Pluto aspects but they had an okay upbringing with no forms of abuse and proper support and love from parental figures, then I think they turn out fine. I think that's how you get people with Mars-Pluto or Saturn-Pluto aspects who aren't violent and can't relate to a lot of the darker interpretations of those aspects.

I think it takes a combination of having that type of aspect natally in tandem with some sort of actual abuse - whether sexual, physical, emotional. Kind of like having a fuse, and the abuse is the match that lights it and turns the person into a monster.

I'm saying this based on firsthand observations...I know people who have those aspects who weren't abused as children and grew up to be peaceful adults. I also know people with those aspects who grew up in climates of childhood abuse and turned out the exact opposite, very combative and abusive of other people, bullying, engaging in criminal activities toward others and getting a degree of pleasure out of trying to cause pain to others.

I think those aspects give the capability of being a monster but it takes some kind of actual trauma to turn it from potential into a reality.