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seeleah
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posted August 04, 2010 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeleah     Edit/Delete Message
what are signs of liers? in astrology are there signs?

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Diana
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posted August 04, 2010 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
No, there are no signs of liars. That is more of a personality disorder, but it can* show up in aspects.

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posted August 04, 2010 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeleah     Edit/Delete Message
can you share some?
I am having massive issues with someone stating that they didn't do something but evidence says otherwise but my heart wants to agree with them...but I saw what I saw...

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posted August 04, 2010 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message
everyone lies on some level and/or to the worst person they could lie to, themselves.

trust your gut, question your thoughts. Make sure what you seen is actually what happened.

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posted August 04, 2010 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for electricmind     Edit/Delete Message
mars square neptune
mars the 12 house (mars was also in detriment in libra)

(personal experience)

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posted August 04, 2010 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for electricmind     Edit/Delete Message
DP

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Mblake81
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posted August 04, 2010 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message
If you would like to ask some question, know i have both aspects mentioned here that are supposed to lie.

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Spanky Butler
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posted August 04, 2010 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky Butler     Edit/Delete Message
One could always look for the tell tale signs of a brown substance near or on the chin.

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posted August 04, 2010 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
Never look at a natal chart to see if someone is lying to you. If you want to use astrology, draw up a horary chart.

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seeleah
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posted August 04, 2010 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeleah     Edit/Delete Message
how do I draw up a horary chart?

btw, this person DOES have mars square neptune and their mars in at the END of the 11th house....btw.

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posted August 04, 2010 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
the same aspects that you will find in absentminded,forgetful,disorganized,easily confused/confusing people

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posted August 04, 2010 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message
My ex turned out to be the biggest liar I've ever come across.

He had lots of neptune in his chart.
N his mars was pisces in 12th house.

Maybe it's also the gem aspects + 3rd chart

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seeleah
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posted August 05, 2010 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeleah     Edit/Delete Message
horary chart? how do you do it?

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posted August 05, 2010 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message
Everyone seems to want everyone to be the same perfect person they are themselves right?

It's a hard blow when you wake up to find the world isn't jersey shore.. You know perfect people right.

**this sounds cruel, since it is said in an overly generalized tone I can safely say it's just my observation on the reaction of some peoples sheltered lives coming to a crashing halt, no malice involved**

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posted August 05, 2010 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
It is impossible to assert from a chart that a person is 100% a liar but there are signs that increase the probability of telling lies:

1. Mercury sq/oppose Neptune
2. Mercury in Libra 12th House
3. Mercury sq Moon in Libra/Gemini [mainly confusion/indecision]
4. Moon sq Neptune [severe confusion]
5. Mars sq Neptune [deliberate manipulation]
6. Mercury sq Saturn [karmic inclination to lie], especially if Mercury is in Air Signs.


The aspects have to be very precise, max 2 degree orbs, to take full effect.

Yes, Horary is a good idea to first check the possibility of being lied to, and then go for the natal chart analysis.
For advanced checks, I use Asteroid SWINDLE and Asteroid LIE. They work very well if some of the planetary aspects also exist.

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Nephthys
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posted August 05, 2010 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message
This is a great question as I have often wondered the same thing considering my ex-scumbag-ex-bf from last year was/is a continuous liar (among other things).........

And I think he does have Moon in Gemini.........

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Ami Ann
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posted August 05, 2010 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Dear IQ
Do you use a 2 degree orb in making big determinations ,such as being a liar lol, in the natal chart?


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posted August 05, 2010 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starkiss1     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, all,

This is the chart of a very nice and jolly chappie, who also happened to be a habitual liar.
He has Mercury square Neptune.

This person married once, got cheated on and sworn off marriage for the rest of his life, he is scared sh!tless of commitments. I have never met such a panicky cake when it comes to a committed relationship. Saturn in 7 house. He is still full of anger about his failed marriage and will always be.
Saturn(7) square Mars.

Every girlfriend of his is told the same story: he has a very jealous psychopathic ex who is watching him all the time. Smacks of OCD. His Asc is square Gem Venus.
His motto is "I don't do love". He is totally out of touch with his emotions. Sun square Moon.
His Asc conjunct Pluto and Uranus, but he is very weak and as soon as he feels threatened by a girl, LOL, the lies are coming out of his ears. Back to Merc square Neptune!


 

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posted August 05, 2010 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message
In my experience; Libras, Aries, persons born on the 7th, 16th, and those with a 7 lifepath have no qualms about lying.

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Glaucus
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posted August 05, 2010 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"Back to Merc square Neptune!"

That's Mercury triundecile Neptune

triundecile is an 11th harmonic aspect

Triundecile is 98 degrees, 10 minutes,54 seconds

so a square of exactly 8 degree orb would be a triundecile of 10 minutes,54 seconds

a maximum orb of 1 degree could be used.

My Mercury and Mars have a separation of 97 degrees,33 minutes.
I have a Mercury triundecile Mars that wide orb using astrologers would see as a wide orb square. They would say that my Mercury conjuncting my Venus which squares my Mars pulls in the wide aspect. However, my Mercury triundecile Mars is part of an 11th harmonic pattern with Uranus, Saturn, and Ascendant.

The triundecile might be felt as a square due to objects being in square signs. That is the case with my Mercury in Scorpio and Mars in Aquarius. However, it would feel different from an actual square. The 11th harmonic influence would overlay it.

the 11th harmonic is known for being unstable,rebellious, and so it's harmonic frequency might feel like a square.


If you look in an 11th harmonic chart, 11th harmonic aspects would be in conjunction.
If you look in an 4th harmonic chart, they would be so far apart to be in a conjunction that they could be in another aspect.

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posted August 06, 2010 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
I notice the NN in Taurus .
This strikes me as what he needs from what you say.
He need to get the Taurus energy which is stability in the material world--i.e.home and hearth lol.
I bet the Saturn(in the 7th house) square Mars is a big factor cuz it is so close.
I will look it up tomorrow lol.
This is a very interesting story especially with the chart added.
Thanks , Starkiss
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posted August 06, 2010 03:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fleurdelis     Edit/Delete Message
I must add : Mercury in Pisces

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posted August 06, 2010 04:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starkiss1     Edit/Delete Message
Glaucus,
Thank you for that info. I am not remotely as skilled as you in untraditional aspects.
So I am being primitive here and going to treat this triundecile as a wide square.
As you said it yourself, it can be felt thah way too

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posted August 06, 2010 05:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starkiss1     Edit/Delete Message
Ami, you are welcome.
Will speak tomorrow, zzzz

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posted August 06, 2010 05:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

"So I am being primitive here and going to treat this triundecile as a wide square.
As you said it yourself, it can be felt thah way too "

yeah...the 11th harmonic has a Uranian influence, and so it can be unstable,rebellious which is not easy to deal with just like the square is not easy to deal with.

11th harmonic is also associated with social consciousness


If the 11th harmonic aspect is connected to another object via 11th harmonic, then you got a triangle, and it could have a corresponding midpoint picture.

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