posted December 22, 2010 02:36 PM            

What I believe is that this is just ANOTHER way for the Ego to manifest into a sense of superiority and importance.

Just like the way the LEO ego manifests itself into being "the center stage" and "eye-catching"...

posted December 22, 2010 02:42 PM            

well not from my perspective anyway (pisces sun female.)

but i do feel where you are coming from...most pisces i have known are a turnoff...but most pisces i have known swim down, so maybe this is what your are picking up on. cancers that i have known are just plain reclusive and scorps just secretive... i would not say ego, perse, cause we really dont like to inflate ourselves, but more like, maybe drawn too much within..

hmmmmmm

will have to ponder this one.

i have no problem rollin with my homies on the southside (where i work), i give endlessly to the downtrodden and helpless in society, via my "work" so i think you can not fairly say that water has ego. and i dont do it cause i want attention or kudos for doing so, but because i can relate to them, and they are no less than me and i no more than them...

again, will ponder as i prepare for christmas and celebrate a late yule....

posted December 22, 2010 03:06 PM            

More water doesn't really make you more emotional, it just makes you more aware of your emotions & kinda drives you to manifest them openly more often...The other groups of signs/people that are different from the water signs, may only APPEAR insensitive to them, which causes dissatisfaction, and could often make them complain about the majority of people, who are "not being nicer" or "more understanding"...

posted December 22, 2010 04:25 PM            

ok the topic, i dont like to "inflate" my "ego"...the things i say i say earnestly, not to make myself look better than others...if a person asks i'll tell them unless i dont want them to know...but yea, i think scorpio is too secretive to want to inflate the ego, cancer is just over all too emotional and isnt the type to want all eyes on them...i dont like pisces too much (no offense to anyone out there), that sign is just too weird for me

posted December 22, 2010 04:36 PM            

Water signs possess heaps of innate empathy, and empathy by definition is the ability to put yourself in the shoes of another person – or to vicariously experience their feelings, thoughts, or attitudes. It’s hard to be selfish, or “me centric” when you feel deeply what others feel. Now I’m not saying some water signs might not use their innate gift of empathy for ill (Lord knows there are plenty of water signs that pat themselves on the back for their ability “read people” and to control and them), but for most, the ability to so deeply connect with other’s emotional state sparks a sincere sympathy and desire to help. Feeling what others feel also helps many water signs avoid offering hurt to others themselves too –therefore lending to the idea that water signs are just nice people.

I think there are signs that stereo typically work to develop themselves and their own lives, to the exclusion of others. But water signs innate giftings encourage them quite strongly to constantly reach out and try to nurture and care for those around them.

Now do the water signs that try to help others get something out of that experience? Yes – it’s not 100% selfless – I do think they feel a sense of fulfillment bringing joy into other’s lives. But does that make their actions selfish – absolutely not. I’d take a water sign that reaches out and lends a hand to the downtrodden over a bolder sign out there bettering themselves any day.

posted December 22, 2010 04:40 PM            

maybe it's time for me to reject my tropical Sun in Scorpio and embrace my constellation Sun in Virgo

maybe it's time for me to reject my tropical Mercury and Venus in Scorpio and embrace my constellation Mercury and Venus in Libra which includes my Mercury being conjunct Beta Libra star, Zubeneschamali

maybe it's time for me to reject my tropical Moon in Pisces and embrace my constellation Moon in Aquarius which conjuncts Alpha Aquarius star, Sadalmalek

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Yes..I am a constellation Virgo Sun. heh

posted December 22, 2010 04:40 PM            

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Originally posted by ChristyT:
Scorpios to me are just a ball and chain. They put it on you rather kinkily and then throw away the key :s

"Rapunzel, Rapunzel let down your hair, out of the tower Scorpio has put you in"

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posted December 22, 2010 04:44 PM            

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It’s hard to be selfish, or “me centric” when you feel deeply what others feel...

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I disagree, here's why.

Over the years, I have seen many Water signs be persuaded by their own emotional depths to make REALLY BAD DECISIONS.

Insensitive, careless, and cruel decisions based on fear of exposure to "difficult and painful" emotions.

I don't agree that just because someone is empathic or emotional, that they are immune from selfish action.

In fact, I would argue that they are JUST AS inclined and susceptible as someone without a great deal of water.

posted December 22, 2010 04:52 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
Isolaede,

[b] I disagree, here's why.

Over the years, I have seen many Water signs be persuaded by their own emotional depths to make REALLY BAD DECISIONS.

Insensitive, careless, and cruel decisions based on fear of exposure to "difficult and painful" emotions.

I don't agree that just because someone is empathic or emotional, that they are immune from selfish action.

In fact, I would argue that they are JUST AS inclined and susceptible as someone without a great deal of water.

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good point

Serial killerss John Wayne Gacy and Richard Ramirez both had Sun and Moon in Pisces.
The BTK Killer had Sun in Pisces
Serial killer Aileen Wuornos had Sun in Pisces.

OJ Simpson has Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Cancer along with Moon in Pisces.

former President George W. Bush has Sun in Cancer.

Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebells had the same birthday as me, and so he had Sun in Scorpio.

Michael Vick has Sun in Cancer.

of course, there are other things factor in their charts
free will is the ultimate factor

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted December 22, 2010 06:00 PM            

lol

I know Cancer suns who do that. And Cancer moons.

They say things like '..I'm not like that. I'm EMOTIONAL !!'

even ' I'm such a good and emotional person, they should treat me with more respect '

As a Scorpio with cancer asc, I do care a lot about my friends, sometimes more than myself. I wouldn't say I'm proud of my emotions, but maybe of my sense of justice.

posted December 22, 2010 08:36 PM            

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Over the years, I have seen many Water signs be persuaded by their own emotional depths to make REALLY BAD DECISIONS.

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Yeah, thats low-reptillian Water at its worst....operating out of a need to self-preserve or protect what it cares about. It is the less evolved side of the coin but that still doesn't prove your point. I'm not saying we aren't capable of being selfish at times but...we're talking about a feminine (introverted) element here. The 'ego' (in the psych sense) identifies with family/inner circle (cancer), regeneration (scorpio), and everyone (pisces). Yes, it gives one a sense of pride/importance/purpose but I don't see how by default it would give one a superiority complex. I don't think any sunsign has a superiority complex if we really want to get down to it, thats just the lower way that one can operate if by affliction or upbringing.

posted December 22, 2010 08:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
Yes, it gives one a sense of pride/importance/purpose but I don't see how by default it would give one a superiority complex. I don't think any sunsign has a superiority complex if we really want to get down to it, thats just the lower way that one can operate if by affliction or upbringing.

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That's generally what I'm saying...

That it's a pride/importance/purpose issue, as compared to other sun signs.

posted December 23, 2010 08:11 AM            

Complete and utter (well hidden, but not from me) superiority complex about being a person who has intense emotions, emotional intellect, intuitive ability and the fact that she FREAKS OUT over everything. Complete pride about that, used as justification to just keep on wallowing in drama, and lots of hostility when it's challenged.

posted December 23, 2010 08:17 AM            

i think it boils down to this, every planet in every sign can manifest its own way, BUT it will only manifest that way within a certain range of themes that belong to the sign and or planet.

a cancer sun might not have much empathy, they just might be evasive and manipulative.

posted December 23, 2010 09:43 AM            

Yeeaaah...or being more, "UNLUCKY & unfortunate."
Complaints of having a harder life than everyone else they know, only cuz they see themselves crying more than others.

My Cancer stellium GF believes she's cursed when it comes to her love life. How guys always use & abuse her. No offense to her, but it's not rocket science that if one jumps from guy to guy once every 2 months...Sh*t's bound to hit the fan.

My Pisces stellium Mom seems to think her life sucks more than anyone else in this world...(even that compared to a starving person in the 3rd world). It's beyond my comprehension....

posted December 23, 2010 10:19 AM            

My empathic powers did not surface until later in life...only during movies as passing out during intense and violent scenes.

posted December 23, 2010 10:32 AM            

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My empathic powers did not surface until later in life...only during movies as passing out during intense and violent scenes.

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Interesting, last week I was reading a story in which a guy was trapped in a cage in hell with enchanted bars which burned whoever touched them...after that I had pain up and down my arm as if I'd accidently stuck it inside a stove or on an electric plate. That's never happened to me before in terms of empathy...maybe mine's getting stronger.