posted March 21, 2011 06:50 PM            

As the devil astrolog says, the aspect that you search but can not locate for years, makes itself visible once the person passes away. Then it's right in front of you.

This makes me think, the way a person dies is not predestined. There are many possibilities and one catches you at some point.

posted March 21, 2011 09:42 PM            

An Astrologer with the gift will know
There have been several Astrologers who have predicted their own death
Grant Lewi and Evangeline Adams are two off the top of my head.

For the most part what he says is true.
After the fact, it is easier to find the aspects but the real issue here is the people who try to predict death are only seeing part of the picture. Real Astrologers just don't go there. It is against our ethics to predict death especially when the power of suggestion can have negative results.

posted March 21, 2011 11:53 PM            

Slow moving planets in detrimental or confrontational aspects to natal planet/axis points, along with faster moving planets (with added illumination by relevant asteroids) often signifies trouble.

posted March 22, 2011 12:13 AM            

My personal theory is transits are like themes of energy - or planetary weather, like earthly rain, snow, drought, or floods, etc...

The choices that we make within these themes influences the outcome...

Just as people either properly or improperly respond to earthly weather patterns, to their benefit or detriment.

The planetary themes, or specifically, death themes, if powerful and compiled enough, can actually indicate death, no matter the choice.

But, it's of my belief that we can influence the outcome a great deal of the time, regardless of the planetary weather we're experiencing.

HOWEVER, sometimes this means staying a step ahead... if one knows their life is in danger because of predicative astrology, they can position themselves quite carefully to endure rough periods of time, and be looking for themes of circumstances, understanding their relevant influences in relation to the planets. Having this objectivity, can allow one to handle situations better or more healthily.

Individuals going through harsh transits often are ignorant of the fact - so they engage in reckless behavior or lifestyle and thus the match meets the gasoline. Kaboom.

Things line up in an unfortunate way.

I believe that astrology is generally very matter of fact, and that most things can be seen inside of the astrology chart and transits - however, it takes a grasp of symbols, symbolic language, interpretation of the energy of the elements, signs, houses and planets, as well as an understanding of the aspects, how the energy moves between points, and somewhat of a good grasp of problem solving, and intuition...

posted March 22, 2011 12:32 AM            

If they see death, they will reveal it, but often times, not without options and suggestions on how to handle or prevent that outcome.

posted March 22, 2011 06:08 AM            

What about having transiting South Node in the 6th house ? I read somewhere that during this transit, I should stay away from extreme sports. I do tandem paragliding every summer and since I read this I say to myself better not do it for a while.

To be honest, I most of the times skip reading vedic astrologers because they seem to be very harsh and not really using the physocological dimension of the aspects.

I also agree with the fact that freewill can overcome some harsh aspects. I believe the dear life always gives chances. It stops doing so only when it's to your benefit to die.

Pluto transiting the 6th house... Phew !Leos watch out. My brother is Leo. He had an operation last year-nothing serious but he seems to obsessed with his health. He keeps visiting doctors for stupid reasons.
Hýmm. Now, I see that it all started when Pluto entered his 6th house. I shall be more loving towards him ! : D

posted March 22, 2011 12:50 PM            

The "hot spot" in the Natal chart is the Nadir as this shows the end of life. Now this alone WILL NOT DO IT, there has to be other aspects especially to the Ruler of the Ascendant.

I am always leary of people (wannabe astrologers) who predict death or who think they can name off the aspects. That is IMPOSSIBLE because each chart is different.

and it goes without saying that a true Astrologer will warn you of impending danger but not predict death.
Again I must say that the power of suggestion is very powerful and you must be ethical.

posted March 22, 2011 01:03 PM            

Terms like wannabe astrologers/fake astrologers are terms to discredit and devalue astrologers in a very wide-spread and unregulated industry... esoteric stuff, like psychic readings, are left to their credentials and their customer's satisfaction.

With that said, Pluto transiting the 6th house does not mean that you have Pluto in your Natal Chart in the 6th. Pluto is now transiting my 5th/6th house cusp. My Pluto is in the 3rd house of my natal chart.

Pluto is a slow moving planet, so will transit from house to house more slowly than Mars or Mercury. Regardless, it can be noted with placements Pluto makes to natal planets within 6th house, as well. The sixth house being relevant to health.

posted March 22, 2011 01:26 PM            

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The chart shows windows of time for the Soul to depart, but that doesn't mean it will happen.

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I agree with that statement. But, having seen charts with compiled negative transits, and death looming in the life of the individual, it's likely one can accurately connect the dots in those cases.

Otherwise, death, like Linda said as "windows" or as I believe them to be as "planetary weather" you can see indicated time frames for sure that will indicate poor health, poverty, violence - and without caution, death.

posted March 22, 2011 01:39 PM            

I say it's arguable whether or not it's ethical to predict anything, at all. As seeing events before they happen often times alter the course of events... any dabbling or reading can be potentially harmful. How can we possibly know, from a limited perspective???

I am moving away from predicative astrology, for that reason... because reading for someone is like taking a screwdriver to the insides of a supercomputer. You will see things, recognize others, but ultimately, be completely unaware to put things into proper context... even some negative events are used for good!

Overall, if one is determined to read and look for death factors in the astrological chart, my feeling is that it is unethical to not warn someone of a dangerous period of time.

And, I don't go as far to call Vedic astrologers unethical because they predict death for their clients.

If put into context, considering the Hindu belief, their understanding of death is very different than what a westerner would understand it to be, what an agnostic or atheist person would think - death is not the end for them.

posted March 22, 2011 11:31 PM            

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PS, death can be seeded; once predicted, if I believe it, my fear can manifest it. Therein lies the morality of predicting mortality (even contained within the word itself). Hi, Lala! I do think maybe Linda had more to rely on than Sally's chart...the spider line scar, CIA time twin experiments, and President Nixon on that yacht. Curiouser and curiouser!

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Randall, anything can be seeded. Anything can have positive and negative results on short scale and long scales of time.

Telling someone that they may find love next year, can have a negative result.

I'm not saying that one should go around predicting death all the time, but, let's not dictate ethics, either. So far the argument has been that astrologers who dare mention death are bad astrologers. I don't believe that. That just is socially inflexible and strange.

Life proves many things fall into the gray areas.

posted March 22, 2011 11:36 PM            

How is that any more ethical than telling someone that they may encounter poor health, violence, or unfortunate circumstances?

That to me is curious, regarding ethics.

posted March 23, 2011 11:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I have yet to see anyone predict a quake beforehand by the stars. If astrology were that precisioned, we could have saved many lives in Japan.

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posted March 23, 2011 11:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I'm talking about telling someone that they will die. That, to me, is inexcuseable for someone in the esoteric arts. But we can agree to disagree. Telling someone there will be a natural disaster isn't the same thing, as it won't cause said disaster. But if you plant the seed of death, most people will obsess over it and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy. IMHO, it's irresponsible, and it's no better than the dark side of voodoo. But the good thing about this site is that we can all have our own opinions and see eye-to-eye, even though those opinions may be diametrically opposed.

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If a person has come to you asking about their own death, or someone they love, there is nothing wrong to include that, many astrologers do and have predicted those things - as that is an obvious concern for people.

There is nothing wrong with predicting death for individuals who have a curiosity, or even predicting a dangerous situation beforehand, in order to give someone a "head's up".

It is not voodoo or black arts, or anything of the sorts. I would imagine that people who feel that way are probably the most scared of death, and seek to prevent it at any cost - which is rather ironic, because astrologers seem to believe in the spirit?

The passage from one life to another is not "dark" or "evil". And, certainly no better or worse than making shot in the dark predictions about ANYTHING in a person's life... as those predictions can and often times are wrong. Not to mention, you've planted the seed in their mind, and they will make choices because of that...

posted March 23, 2011 11:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Oh, and none of the cataclysms you mention have been "proven with the alignment of the planets." We search for astrological relevance after the fact. I have yet to see anyone predict a quake beforehand by the stars. If astrology were that precisioned, we could have saved many lives in Japan.

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You do have a point on that ,Randall.
Hitler used Astrology to try and win WW2.
Thank God,he didn't lol
It failed him and I am sure he had the best astrologers ,available.

posted March 23, 2011 11:49 AM            

The likely culprit now probably stems from the escape from Judeo-Christian morality, lingering ethics, and an attempt to spray perfume over an art that was not created or intended to be anything but a tool for "sight" into all things...

If you think that people use astrology for all good purposes, you must be kidding...

The use of it spreads over all things... from spying on your ex boyfriend, predicting the end of a relationship, to finding out the death of someone you dislike, having an trading advantage, a business plan, or any sort of other ways that are deeply unethical if put under the spot light.

If you want to blame astrologers for looking into these matters? Fine. But, certainly, these are REAL questions from REAL people, and astrologers often times serve as catalysts of this information.

Of course, it will be the popular thing to say, no one should do certain things... and try to set themselves up morally above someone else... there is a lot of criticisms of other religions doing the same thing.