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bluegreyeyes
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posted December 22, 2011 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluegreyeyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since I've never really thought of my chart as intriguing, I'd love to answer your questions!

"Wow blue-grey? You have an Aries ascendant but it is tempered nicely with that mars in Pisces in the 12th. given that it's your ascendant's ruler, and your ascendant is aries, this is actually quite a majestic balance....I can see the smooth watery temperance with the fire like Aries mixing to make your unique self come through. A dream rider perhaps....I bet you have some vivid dreams. I believe the mars in Pisces archetype is the sacred song writer/warrioress....maybe this part is latent in you since it's in the 12th house. Can I ask...do you play any instruments? Perhaps the flute? And do you have a slightly hidden artistic bending....I'd imagine that you are poetical to say the least....I can see then the dreaminess manifesting...perhaps a warriors mermaid....Do you know any volunteer work by any chance? I ask because I am interested in the mars in Pisces placement...also where is Venus? In Taurus? Does Martin Luther King or Bob Dylan resonate with you, does it stir the unconscious for you? Especially as it's placed with your ascendant....finaly...where is jupiter and neptune for you? CAncer and capricorn? Thank you...if you could, also, can you post your chart in another thread?"

To answer your questions:
My dreams, although rare, are in fact vivid. Embarrassing but sometimes I confuse dreams with real life...and I'll mention events/conversations that never actually happened. My friends get a kick out of it.

I played the piano for 10 years, I was quite good although I absolutely detested it. I fought tooth & nail not to take lessons but my parents insisted. I dabbled in the violin & clarinet as well but piano was my "natural talent".

I can't say I'm poetic myself, but I certainly love poetry. Well, anything written actually.

My venus is in aquarius (also in 12th). I'm not actively involved in community service currently although when I was younger it was a main cause for me. Children, sexually abused and animals really hit home for me. Bob Dylan is certainly my type of music tho I'm not an intense fan of his (not my era of music)...

Jupiter Sagittarius (8)
Neptune Sagittarius (9)


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mintgirl123
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posted December 22, 2011 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your rising is a degree off mine! I have mine at 2.22 degrees aries. =)

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VenusDiSirius
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posted December 22, 2011 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Small question,how do you feel Venus trine Pluto,if you feel it?

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bluegreyeyes
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posted December 22, 2011 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluegreyeyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Small question,how do you feel Venus trine Pluto,if you feel it?

I just read an article about Venus-Pluto trines. Interesting aspect, for sure.
http://theastrologyplace.blogspot.com/2011/02/venus-trine-pluto.html

Not entirely positive that I can speak to it. Some comments were spot on, but the raw attraction and magnetism to power/wealth isn't really prevalent in my life. Many of my forescasts predict I will come into wealth or power via others but it has not happened yet. I don't run in very elite or powerful circles! I myself tend to be more subservient in my behavior, and controlling with my emotions.

One thing I can admit is correct is thatI know exactly what the opposite sex wants from me. I don't know if this is Venus-Pluto or just being a woman but I certainly can gauge what a man wants to hear immediately. The other accurate part of the description is that I need way more emotional bonds before I can be passionate about a man. There needs to be an almost mystical connection in order to really feel a deep love.

It's a very scary aspect to read about for me as I am always single and sort of dismissing the "Wrong" men... but in fact I do want to be in love and have children someday soon. :/


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VenusDiSirius
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posted December 22, 2011 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So 5 degree trine-you feel it. Ok! Trines and wider orbs..always tricky,ime.
Thanks for the link

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Chironrising
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posted December 22, 2011 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chironrising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bluegreyeyes

Thank you. I am looking at the chart now but almost missed this post after responding to several others, I am somewhat suffering a dry spell.

I am going to meditate on this and come back with some more questions if you don't mind.

I really appreciate this...I am really fascinated especially by the intensity of that moon in gemini...especially near the fourth and third house...it's almost like a funnel.

I would assume that you might have the fortitude and endurance to write a novel....I might be wrong. Let that be the first question I guess. Are you a writer? Or do you feel that your writing is never perfect enough, as I knew a doctor with a gemini moon in the 12th and he could barely right a page because he was so critical on himself.

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Chironrising
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posted December 22, 2011 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chironrising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, you will come into powerful contacts...the issue for now is that you are relatively young, so am I, so don't take this as a sermon...I'm just forwarding information that I learned about my own Saturn in Scorpio...

Saturn in Scorpio, especially for our generation requires a lot of transformation...mostly internal...after this we become more externalized and more successful...with that Saturn in Scorpio, you maybe like me...the first 20 years of your life may have seemed like a series of curbed expressions, or too much expression, or explosiveness cause be a fear of releasing secrets, or sharing secrets...after all on a Machiavelli level we acquire power by keeping everything inside hidden...this is true in finance too, where disclosure of information is paid for at a premium price...but on a human level, and a personal level, it is essential to share certain filtered parts of ourselves...this in itself is an art only mastered by experience, serious contemplation, compassion for others, etc....this love nature of Scorpio is what we are learning...the sharing which is not material, and requires emotional mastery to a greater level...especially with Pluto there...traumatic events with relationships will bring this out.....for better or worse, and continually test you. Fear not, every successive relationship will be better for you in every way, and any children you might have...the more you become a subtle master of your own emotions without becoming frozen and cold hearted, the more powerful you will become...J.P. Morgan is an example of this...he was an open book, his personal life fully revealed. It is not that we are cold hearted, it is more that we have strong and focused memories...so we see certain patterns unfold that remind us emotionally of past hearts and we freeze on the spot....closed off to any sort of emotional or psychic bonding...yoga, chakra meditations, etc... are good for this, breathing science as well has helped me access my heart physically as well as with intent...you will see as you will this to happen by willing to face real fears that experiences will come almost as if by magic into your life to help cultivate this shadow and turn it into gold.

Your instinct for family is certainly denoted by your cancer north node in the fifth house...very interesting as well.

I see you unfolding powerfully so in the future as you have many trans-personal placements which means that you will emerge as a leader in some way or another...I see that Neptune conjunct the mc which I'd like to figure more about...perhaps you have some grand acting skills...or you can glamorize spirituality...the Uranus and Jupiter conjunction is very telling about success and expansion...when Saturn is met...in due time, don't rush it, ch iron will emerge in you, and you will gain access to that uranian energy which is fused with the Jupiter energy. Have you thought about studying law? Sagittarius also rules far journeys, and learning which is not of your culture....the traveling optimist, either mentally or physically, your luck expands as you learn more about cultures from other places and people. For this reason I'd say you may end up with someone who is not of your religion, race, ethnicity, etc.....but someone who is generous and patient, as well as diplomatic and charming..

For certain, you are not superficial, as time goes by you will find yourself less likely to go to the pub and more likely to join a group or "tribe" which cultivates fun and excitement in a non-superficial setting...

I may be wrong. Let me know your general thoughts. You may want to pursue a career that allows you to cultivate all aspects of yourself as you are very versatile and have planets falling in many different holes...or houses...so to speak....I too have nevus in Aquarius and mars in Pisces...

Also I do not recommend getting married before 30 for you, as I was also advised against it....you see we have a tendency to shut down and use sex against our partners...we have a tendency to freeze up sexually and withold ourselves...this is a lesson we have to overcome, of which the fruit is the truest love imaginable...with saturn in scorpio we have a great power but also responsibility... we usually have great early success, then a fall from grace, and then eventually we become full blown masters of our destiny because we understand the true meaning of sacrifice on all levels....so like I said, do not fear, as I know many women do, marrying later and to speed things up and settle down. You will have children soon enough...I know there is a fear epidemic about having children after 30..because of the risk of having some sort of defect, etc...or not being able to conceive, but Saturn in Scorpio will ask you to put faith in a higher unseen order, and to be rest assured that if you do everything that you can within yourself, you will have the success and life you dream of...

The hardest thing for Saturn in Scorpio is to realize they are not superficial, but then to be able to engage superficially without judgement, this requires a lesson in non-duality...

I focus on Saturn here because for both of us, we are going through Saturn return...yours is in Libra...so you may find yourself drawn to older charming men...or you a partnership with an older woman who has come to assist you...or opposite depending on what you are attracting..

after Saturn is met...chiron is activated and Uranus becomes a controlled force and power of genius, innovation, and inspiration, rather than a cataclysmic force like an earthquake.

perhaps you at some point enjoyed guns n roses...?

Thank you

Sincerely, Chironrising.

I edited this frequently so make sure you read the final version for the entire meaning...

namaste.

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Chironrising
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posted December 22, 2011 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chironrising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll go further in analysis if you'd like me too...specifically I believe that I may know exactly what the Saturn/chiron opposition indicates,and I can go down the solarian matrix and analyze it notch by notch...I have this opposition too.

It's up to you..if you want I can do it discretely, or here on the forum. I am feeling like this is part of my own path to healing right now so thank you for the opportunity to go thus far.

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amelia28
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posted December 22, 2011 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
chironrising, I am also born in 1983 and have saturn in scorpio. I am 28 and thought saturn return happens at 29. Am I going through it right now?

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I too have uranus conjuct jupiter exact which conjuncts my rising. I feel my uranus perhaps became activated this year. Is that possible?

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Chironrising
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posted December 23, 2011 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chironrising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most likely yes. In terms of wounding...chiron represents martial arts/astrology/hermetisism/alchemy/jungian therapy/art as therapy/archery/ all these things are eccentric yet bring great insight...so the fact that you are tuning into astrology at such a young age is a catalyst for any sort of traumatic wound.....etc....It is possible to learn the lessons of Saturn quickly....chiron helps transmutate repression, involves finding ones bliss, and finding meaning in any sort of wound, also service to others, but in a syncronystic fashion....like helping people on message boards....or in real life....reading charts for people....sympathy...it depends on chirons aspects to the other planets...but chiron is a bridge between saturn and uranus.

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bluegreyeyes
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posted December 24, 2011 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluegreyeyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chiron -

Wow, what an interesting response. That's really something to think about.

As for the gem moon.... yes, very critical of my writing. Many times I've thought of starting a blog or something, but in true fashion, I shake it off as a silly idea. I think I'd be an awful writer because I can't focus or sit for hours on one task. The need for multitasking is brutal... I watch TV while on the computer while in mid conversation and petting my dog. I have to be doing more than 1 thing in order to feel productive. I dunno if that's Gem Moon or what?

As for the Machiavelli note, I absolutely have always been fascinated by his view and use of power. I can remember being young, learning about him in junior high and debating with classmates about the validity of his measures...an unpopular view for many, but for me, I tend to equate secrets with vulnerability. My close friends are always commenting how I am constantly censoring myself in an attempt to keep "control" or "one up" on others in relationships. Completely true - and maybe more related to my experience with a parent who struggled with alcoholism...it makes you secretive. Who knows. I love the mention of mention of JPMorgan and law, as I've both worked in BOTH fields...and mostly because I ahve a high level of security in my work, and I am very serious about confidentiality. All jobs (present and current) focus on sales, customers & clients and keeping information on the down low and behind the scenes.

I will say, I'd be shocked out of my mind if I were to ever hold any position of power. I'm a "behind the scenes" type for sure. I work as an administrative assistant to high profile individuals but do not crave their status nor their lifestyles... the superficial does not impress or pursuade me in the least. Material goods while fascinating when I was young, are something I rolls my eyes at these days. My exposure and personal experience with affluent/powerful individuals has turned me off of power completely. I'm happy to hang out in the background as long as I don't have to compromise my values.

The marriage thing is clearly not an issue as I'm staring 29 in the face. As "old" as I feel emotionally/mentally...in comparison to my peers and other people my age.... I certainly don't feel evolved or matured enough to settle down. And that's OK. I think it's the "UNKNOWN" aspect that really gives me the anxiety. If I had a crystal ball and could guarantee that things would work out, I'd be OK to wait...but the idea that I'm not working towards something makes me uneasy. I can't just "wait around" to meet someone or have children, instead I actively try to go to social places and meet single men...I research alternative reproductive methods... it's the "doer" in me.

Guns & Roses are not my jam at all. The Grateful Dead.... more my speed, for sure! Ha.

Namaste Chiron, I am flattered by your interest in my chart... it's nice to know someone finds it interesting, as most seem to be taken aback by it! LOL

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