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Betty Boop
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posted June 21, 2011 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I'm in love, I feel like I want a wall around myself and my loved one... and that no one else is allowed into OUR world (the world we have together which is ONLY ours).

This is not about socializing with others (which is usually 'surface' - It doesn't run deep enough to mean anything) .
It's also not about physical things.. like if he slept with another woman, this wouldn't upset me, nor would I feel as though she penetrated the wall (unless they "talked" - really/genuinely -talked- and had a connection of trust/affection that goes beyond sex).

If the man I love talked to others about things that are personal to US - (I don't mean like discussing a sexual experience with his best friend... I mean more like emotional/important things that were between us only) - it would upset me to the point where I wouldn't want to see him again (even if I still care).

I think I am very possessive of the emotional connection between us - which I want to be completely exclusive.

I'm thinking this is a Plutonian thing.. so it could be my Venus/Pluto opposition.

Does anyone else feel this way?
What Pluto/Scorpio/8th House aspects do you have?
Is there anything else in your chart that you would relate to this?

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Ami Anne
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posted June 21, 2011 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't mind emotional sharing but sexual would kill me.
I am rabid about this.
8th house Stellium
Scorp ASC
Pluto conj the MC
Cancer moon
Maybe some obscure Asteroid

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Betty Boop
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posted June 21, 2011 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami - I'm the exact opposite.
Emotional - kills me.
Sexual - I don't care.

I wonder if it's not Pluto.. (Maybe Pluto is more sexual possessiveness).

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posted June 21, 2011 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Ami - I'm the exact opposite.
Emotional - kills me.
Sexual - I don't care.

I wonder if it's not Pluto.. (Maybe Pluto is more sexual possessiveness).


Betty Boop... Im with you... Emotional kills me.. I dont like dealing with my emotions or anyone else's..

Apparently I have emotional issues, and I have been talking with a guy, that has explained to me that I have suppressed emotions due to something in my childhood.
I use other means to escape them... Ive never really been able to truly open up to someone.. But if I did, and they discussed it.. I would flip and see it as betrayal.

Ive been working on some of my emotional issues, as I guess they are very deep. So deep,that I dont even know how to express most emotions..

He told me its because of Saturn. When you first look at my chart I have mostly easy saturn aspects..
Then You notice I have Saturn in H3 but it conjunts the IC
Saturn Sq ASC
Saturn Sq DSC
Saturn Opps MC
Cap rules my 11th..
He explained to me that Saturn is basically effecting 5 of my houses.. Its the houses that are seen more by others.. 1,7,10,11.. Then Saturn on my IC means its deeply rooted..

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posted June 22, 2011 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrazyAquarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scorpio Moon conjunct Pluto
I'm possessive in every way

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Yrone
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posted June 22, 2011 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Same for me, I don't really care about the sex part, I don't even need daily contact, but dare you behave as if others are special as well! No one is touching your heart quite like I do, baby.

Not sure if it's Pluto, I have it in Libra. My Dsc is in Scorpio.

Problem is, I don't dare to go there myself, I am horribly afraid to be hurt. Ah that might be part of that big lesson package I've been handed last year.

As for Saturn - Retro in H4 in Cancer, opposing Venus and being an all around grumpy git.

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mintgirl123
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posted June 22, 2011 01:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got alot of libra planets and a virgo sun.
My pluto is in 8th house scorpy.


Physical would hurt but emotional bonding would cut me so much deeper.

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Dawnlies
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posted June 22, 2011 03:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dawnlies     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm like that too! Emotionnal connection is very very important for me not only for me to feel loved, cared about, secured, but also because it's the way I show how important the other is for me, how deep the relationship is.

I am like that not only in romantic relationships but also in friendship, I thought too it was a pluto thing

I have pluto in libra (11th) conjunct sun, venus, saturn and sextile mars, neptune in sag (1st)and it rules my 12th house. Saturn has the same position and aspects and rules my 2nd house.

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Benedict Moon*
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posted June 22, 2011 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm terrible with both emotional and sexual, but I never want to let them know it. Maybe that's why I've subconsciously halted romance life.

Moon in the 8th sextile Pluto. Cancer stellium has a say in this too, for me atleast.

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Ami Anne
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posted June 22, 2011 05:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lioness:
Betty Boop... Im with you... Emotional kills me.. I dont like dealing with my emotions or anyone else's..

Apparently I have emotional issues, and I have been talking with a guy, that has explained to me that I have suppressed emotions due to something in my childhood.
I use other means to escape them... Ive never really been able to truly open up to someone.. But if I did, and they discussed it.. I would flip and see it as betrayal.

Ive been working on some of my emotional issues, as I guess they are very deep. So deep,that I dont even know how to express most emotions..

He told me its because of Saturn. When you first look at my chart I have mostly easy saturn aspects..
Then You notice I have Saturn in H3 but it conjunts the IC
Saturn Sq ASC
Saturn Sq DSC
Saturn Opps MC
Cap rules my 11th..
He explained to me that Saturn is basically effecting 5 of my houses.. Its the houses that are seen more by others.. 1,7,10,11.. Then Saturn on my IC means its deeply rooted..


Call me

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Ami Anne
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posted June 22, 2011 05:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am SO surprised at the number of people who say emotional.
I thought MY way was everyone's way. Isn't that strange.
I WONDER how men feel????
Weigh in Hombres

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snarly
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posted June 22, 2011 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for snarly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have my sun conjunct Pluto in Libra, AND a Scorpio stellium, and I would freak out at both emotional and sexual 'sharing'! I've gotta be their only one, or I'm outta there!

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dysfunctionalmystic
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posted June 22, 2011 06:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dysfunctionalmystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I'll chime in but I'm not a guy....

What I've found is that if you have that level of emotional connection with someone...they are HIGHLY unlikely to go off and sleep with someone else.

I'm with everyone... as in I have to be the only 1 sexually and emotionally and have no problems expressing this.

I understand that defences and boundaries can cause problems but they are also there for a reason. Lioness I think it's great that you've got the courage to work on your issues and I hope you are being kind to yourself.

Astrology shows us quite clearly that we're not all able to express all emotions. If we work with the chart it'll help us to come to terms with our own character. If we have a strong or imposing saturn we ain't ever gonna be shouting it out from the rooftops and there's nothing wrong with this. It does mean that we have to feel secure in order to be comfortable to express our emotions...there's nothing wrong in this either.

Saturn always needs time and patience.

Emotional possessiveness may show through aspects to the moon. That level of emotional bonding is usually connected to the mother. Especially if it's not so much about sex or physical intimacy. I'm pretty sure it's the stage of birth to 12 months.

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posted June 22, 2011 06:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swift Freeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Emotional betrayal would be infinitely worse. Sleeping with someone else would upset me also but not as much, it depend son the context a lot more. It would still probably lead to an end of the relationship but not the end of potential friendship. In contrast if I tell you something, emotional, personal and in confidence. I expect damn sure for you never to talk about it to anyone else, ever. If you do, I will strip you from my life faster than your heart beats.

I have no disillusions that i'm possessive, both emotionally and physically, but i'm more than capable of understanding why and it only ever gets to the point where I care deeply for the other person. I never attempt to exert my will over someone else, and I don't want to control them either.

Venus & Pluto - Conjunct - IC
Venus & Pluto - Semisquare Sun
Venus & Pluto - Opposite - MC
Venus & Pluto - Trine - Jupiter
Venus - Sextile - Saturn & Neptune
Pluto - Sextile - Neptune

I've got a fair few asteroids in Scorpio also.

I'm Male.

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Ami Anne
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posted June 22, 2011 06:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm Interesting
I thought my way was THE way.You never know what you will get until you ask

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
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He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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CrazyAquarian
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posted June 22, 2011 08:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrazyAquarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This whole idea of "emotional betray" makes no sense. You cannot betray someone because you connect or have feelings for others. Its just one the of ****** facts of life is all. To betray is to intentionally do something to someone that is unloyal to them.
Emotions....if anyone here can completely control and mentally "make" their emotions, I want to hear about it!
That person can't control how they feel about others anymore than how than feel about you.

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posted June 22, 2011 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for polysigh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun and venus both conjunct pluto here...the emotional and sexual would kill me. For me they go hand in hand. If I sleep with someone its because I feel an emotional connection so I want the other person to feel that way too. Maybe a moon pluto person would feel an emotional betrayal more though. I think pluto is definitely sexual possessiveness but for a plutonian the sexual and emotional are tied together. It's never just sex.

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Yrone
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posted June 22, 2011 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with you CrazyAqua, you cannot control your feelings or those of anyone else. Nor should you try to with manipulation.

Alas, my ego is still not entirely conquered so yes, feelings like possessiveness and jealousy and insecureness will come up because I want to be more special then anyone else for the person I ping for.

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Betty Boop
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posted June 22, 2011 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just think, one can sleep with a vibrator. What's the difference? (if there are no feelings)..

A prostitute can mechanically sleep with 20 men per day and not be 'in love' with any of them.

I really don't understand the connection.. That's why I don't feel jealous about sexual things... Because sexual things can literally mean *nothing* to the woman/man involved.

How can I feel jealous over something he forgot as soon as it happened? Or something he remembered as a sexual 'experience' - when he doesn't even know her name, and has no clue what colour eyes she had (because he never looked into them)?

Some sexual encounters do mean *something* ^ but those are rare. And those are ones where emotions would be involved.

Just my opinion...

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Betty Boop
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posted June 22, 2011 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
CrazyAqua -

quote:
That person can't control how they feel about others anymore than how than feel about you

So a person can't control their feelings.. but.. Can their feelings control them? lol

Because I desire the kind of feeling that controls both of us.

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Ami Anne
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posted June 22, 2011 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Betty Boop:
I just think, one can sleep with a vibrator. What's the difference? (if there are no feelings)..

A prostitute can mechanically sleep with 20 men per day and not be 'in love' with any of them.

I really don't understand the connection.. That's why I don't feel jealous about sexual things... Because sexual things can literally mean *nothing* to the woman/man involved.

How can I feel jealous over something he forgot as soon as it happened? Or something he remembered as a sexual 'experience' - when he doesn't even know her name, and has no clue what colour eyes she had (because he never looked into them)?

Some sexual encounters do mean *something* ^ but those are rare. And those are ones where emotions would be involved.

Just my opinion...


Betty
Can you list which aspects would be underlying this--one by one so I could meditate on them.
Thanks very much--if you care to.

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Yrone
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posted June 22, 2011 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whatever she has, I have a good dose of it as well.

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Ami Anne
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posted June 22, 2011 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Yrone:
Whatever she has, I have a good dose of it as well.

You do not take sexual relationships that heavily either?

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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Yrone
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posted June 22, 2011 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, let's say I am not possessive of the body of another person. I am debating whether I'd want to know upfront.

I am a lot more possessive of the emotion and attention of the other.

However, being honest about myself, I can see that I could get insecure about the skillz, hmmm hahaha

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posted June 22, 2011 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesSun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think i have this same thing

and i think it's about that i don't share my emotions very easily, even with my best friends

and i want to have some kind of 'own world' with that person whom i'm with in love

emotional and spiritual connection is the most important for me when i'm talking about somebody whom could be my partner or even my friend

and i feel safe when there is those two connections and then there is no reason to be jealous when the partner may be somewhere with somebody else - even when sharing same bed

i've venus trine pluto

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