posted April 17, 2015 08:11 AM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Do you think this is the most intense aspect to have in the whole natal chart? I think this aspect is very powerful, but also very challenging. It's hard to accept help from others, and there is an aura of "do it yourself or die" mentality. The aspect makes you fight for your right and not give up easily, but you can also be so absorbed by work and power, that you forget your loved ones. This aspect makes you extremely serious about your goals in life, and you are ready to do anything to get where you wan't. I think it especially rings true with the square, less with the other aspects.

What do you think?

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I noticed that people with the placement always land on their feet when coming through hard times. They can also rub people the wrong way in group setting because they go hard in anything they do.

I noticed a couple of people in music group bands who rebelled against other members had this placement. For example, does anybody remember a Mtv making the band group called Danity Kane?
Well, a member in the group named Dawn Richard had this placement. I remember another group member saying that she had this do or die type mentality because she's been through a lot (I:E hurricane katrina and losing everything from that tragedy). I don't know why, but hearing this when a group member said that statement made me look up her chart on astrotheme . However, when viewing her chart, she didn't have a birth time on astrotheme, so I don't know her ascendant, but it had some of her placements. Come to find out she had the mars square pluto placement in her chart.

Mars opposition, square, and conjunct pluto can also make you have a furious temper when it comes to people or something that you care about. Dawn Richard from "Danity Kane" also got into an altercation with a another member "Aubrey O Day" over some album issues in the studio. The altercation was over The two members supposedly changing her vocals on the track to their vocals behind her back, while she was gone to see her parent that was battling cancer at the time. Dawn stated in an interview when she hit her in the back of the head that she just "Blacked out from anger because they should have told her what they were doing instead of being sneaky and going behind her back"

I don't why I just went on the tangent about this, but it's something that i've noticed when observing mars/pluto ppl. They can be the most courageous and brave people when challenged.

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posted April 17, 2015 12:31 PM            

The worst of these aspects comes into play with ambition and ego. Being energetic is great, and these aspects can spur energies that are rather forceful. That is why I think having a challenging creative outlet and exercising vigorously are important for those with these aspects. The energies need a vigorous daily personal bodily outlet.

posted April 17, 2015 12:33 PM            

What would you make of someone with these aspects?

posted April 17, 2015 01:18 PM            

A lot of what has already been said rings true in my case.

I am very strong-willed and resilient. If it's something that my heart desires, I won't stop until I get it or I get some type of result from it.

posted April 17, 2015 06:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Geminiyoungster:
I noticed that people with the placement always land on their feet when coming through hard times. They can also rub people the wrong way in group setting because they go hard in anything they do.

I noticed a couple of people in music group bands who rebelled against other members had this placement. For example, does anybody remember a Mtv making the band group called Danity Kane?
Well, a member in the group named Dawn Richard had this placement. I remember another group member saying that she had this do or die type mentality because she's been through a lot (I:E hurricane katrina and losing everything from that tragedy). I don't know why, but hearing this when a group member said that statement made me look up her chart on astrotheme . However, when viewing her chart, she didn't have a birth time on astrotheme, so I don't know her ascendant, but it had some of her placements. Come to find out she had the mars square pluto placement in her chart.

Mars opposition, square, and conjunct pluto can also make you have a furious temper when it comes to people or something that you care about. Dawn Richard from "Danity Kane" also got into an altercation with a another member "Aubrey O Day" over some album issues in the studio. The altercation was over The two members supposedly changing her vocals on the track to their vocals behind her back, while she was gone to see her parent that was battling cancer at the time. Dawn stated in an interview when she hit her in the back of the head that she just "Blacked out from anger because they should have told her what they were doing instead of being sneaky and going behind her back"

I don't why I just went on the tangent about this, but it's something that i've noticed when observing mars/pluto ppl. They can be the most courageous and brave people when challenged.

*Edit* I'm sorry that I had so many grammar errors! I typed this pretty early in the morning.

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posted April 17, 2015 07:40 PM            

I have a friend who has Mars conjunct Pluto. The amount of work this woman can do, and a lot of it what men usually do, she can do. She's also faced life-threatening situations and was brutally abused as a child.

I also had a roommate once who had so many stories. Like the time he sneeked into his girlfriend's house and hid under her bed with a gun. Here's the combination of rage and violation of boundaries which is typical of Mars-Pluto. (I forgot how the story ended but he didn't hurt her.) And then there was the time when he drag raced at 2:00 am on the freeway and crashed his motorcycle. Somehow, he was found by women who brought him home and nursed his dislocated shoulder.

There's an image from alchemy of a wolf with its paws cut off that illustrates the intense desire coupled with frustration of desire that goes with these planets in major aspect. A good example is former Vice President, Al Gore, who was denied the presidency when the U.S. Supreme Court decided the 2000 presidential election in favor of George W. Bush.

A surprisingly good Star Trek Voyager episode is a reflection on humankind's enduring attraction to violence. The ruthless and lethal side of Mars-Pluto is on display in this episode called "Meld" by Brad Dourif's intense portrayal of the character, Lon Suder.

posted April 18, 2015 12:12 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
@Kannon

What would you make of someone with these aspects?

Venus 12 Taurus
Mars 18 Leo
Saturn 16 Leo
Pluto 12 Leo
NN 15 Taurus

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That's a development of values and substance in a sort of trial by fire. No passions can be ignore. Neither any ambitions, but even small failures are the key to discovering what is worthwhile.

With Venus & N.Node aligned, you can see the whole point is substantive values, what is basic and what lasts. But the pressures from the square to Mars-Saturn-Pluto conjunction in Leo mean strong, but controlled feelings and drives have to create that substantive end result. This is a bit odd since Venus/Taurus normally is felt as a 'resting place' rather than an end goal.

There are probably multiple cross sign parallels there (north declination), but without the birth data I can't know for sure what planets. Those parallels will be the unifying factors. Regardless, the driving force is probably in the Venus sq Pluto part of this, which to me indicates creative or entrepreneurial ambitions, but could also indicate a person stuck in the politics of management.

posted April 18, 2015 07:56 AM            

People with the soft aspect find themselves being the conduit of power/violence. There have been many instances where I have stopped potentially fatal situations.

My Grandmother had the square and all her husbands died in a very violent way.

posted April 18, 2015 11:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Virgo28:
I have the quintile and the Mars-Pluto soft aspect describes me well.

People with the soft aspect find themselves being the conduit of power/violence. There have been many instances where I have stopped potential fatal situations.

My Grandmother had the square and all her husbands died in a very violent way.

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Interesting comments!

posted April 18, 2015 11:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
That's a development of values and substance in a sort of trial by fire. No passions can be ignore. Neither any ambitions, but even small failures are the key to discovering what is worthwhile.

With Venus & N.Node aligned, you can see the whole point is substantive values, what is basic and what lasts. But the pressures from the square to Mars-Saturn-Pluto conjunction in Leo mean strong, but controlled feelings and drives have to create that substantive end result. This is a bit odd since Venus/Taurus normally is felt as a 'resting place' rather than an end goal.

There are probably multiple cross sign parallels there (north declination), but without the birth data I can't know for sure what planets. Those parallels will be the unifying factors. Regardless, the driving force is probably in the Venus sq Pluto part of this, which to me indicates creative or entrepreneurial ambitions, but could also indicate a person stuck in the politics of management.

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posted April 18, 2015 12:08 PM            

My mars is also conjunct my descendant in Scorpio.

I have a Scorpio stellium in the mix as well.

I have noticed all throughout my life that I tend to intimidate and simply scare off a lot of guys. They have definitely met their match if not more when it comes to egos and strong will. I am a man in this sense haha

I am very persistent, aggressive, and domineering when it comes to pursuing something I desperately want.

I will do anything to get it or if I can't get it, change focus or tactics.

posted April 18, 2015 12:58 PM            

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I have noticed all throughout my life that I tend to intimidate and simply scare off a lot of guys. They have definitely met their match if not more when it comes to egos and strong will. I am a man in this sense haha
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THIS! I have Mars on DSC. And opposing Pluto. I scare the s*** out of guys! Once, my high school teacher was talking to my parents and (among the other things)she said that guys were really afraid of me. Aaahhh, so many men are weaklings in these modern times

posted April 18, 2015 01:26 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Thank you. He had a GF that was pregnant and died in a car accident.. Now he owns a spiritual business. I think losing his GF has made issues of control arise in relationships.

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Boy, that's rough. Hopefully he can heal from that and move forward in getting close to people. Even with Venus in Taurus, Pluto has a tendency for some pretty extreme experiences in Leo when its in such tight aspects. Trial by fire indeed.

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posted April 18, 2015 04:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am doing a synastry in which they have this as a DW. There is violence, too

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posted April 18, 2015 06:20 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
Geminiyoungster, enjoyed reading your comments. You're very perceptive and you make good observations. Thanks!

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posted April 18, 2015 07:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am doing a synastry in which they have this as a DW. There is violence, too

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